Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Win GIMP

2004-02-05 Thread Alan Horkan


Please note that GIMP does MDI (multiple document interface)
already, it just doesn't folllow the WiW (window in window)
approach that some people seem to prefer for obscure reasons.

 Every reference I've ever seen to MDI refers to window in window.  I
 don't understand the purpose of that at all (and I happen to really
 detest it, in any event, since it wastes a lot of screen space).

When using the GIMP I prefer to have the document window maximized.  On
windows this means that the Toolbox will get pushed behind and it is
extremely awkward and I believe this is a significant part of the problem
that most users want solved.  Something as simple as an always on top
option for the toolbox might be enough to make things easier for users
like me who occasionally use crappy window managers.

Speaking of maxmising the avialable workspace and it does seem to be of
interst to more users than just me (I love the fullscreen mode by the way
and) is there any way to hide the scrollbars?
I would like to be able to get rid of the scrollbars and use keys for
scrolling* up and down the page or alternatively use the
overview/navigation widget.
[the following bug is asking for the ability to use specific keys for
scrolling, currently there doesn't seem to be ANY way to assign ANY keys
at all to scrolling http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53988 ]

Sincerely

Alan Horkan
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Win GIMP

2004-02-05 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 When using the GIMP I prefer to have the document window maximized.  On
 windows this means that the Toolbox will get pushed behind and it is
 extremely awkward and I believe this is a significant part of the problem
 that most users want solved.  Something as simple as an always on top
 option for the toolbox might be enough to make things easier for users
 like me who occasionally use crappy window managers.

The code is already prepared to use gtk_window_keep_above() but we
will need GTK+-2.4 for this so this will have to wait for GIMP-2.2.

 Speaking of maxmising the avialable workspace and it does seem to be
 of interst to more users than just me (I love the fullscreen mode by
 the way and) is there any way to hide the scrollbars?

Sure, it's in the View menu and you can configure the default
appearance (for fullscreen and normal view) in the preferences
dialog. I wonder why you didn't look there.

 I would like to be able to get rid of the scrollbars and use keys for
 scrolling* up and down the page or alternatively use the
 overview/navigation widget.
 [the following bug is asking for the ability to use specific keys for
 scrolling, currently there doesn't seem to be ANY way to assign ANY keys
 at all to scrolling http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53988 ]

I might be wrong but shouldn't you be able to specify keys for
scrolling using GTK+ bindings?


Sven
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Win GIMP

2004-02-05 Thread Alan Horkan

  scrolling, currently there doesn't seem to be ANY way to assign ANY keys
  at all to scrolling http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53988 ]

 I might be wrong but shouldn't you be able to specify keys for
 scrolling using GTK+ bindings?

without a recompile?
if so please point me to the relevant documentation?
(if it requires a recompile I'm afraid it is only slightly better than
useless)

- Alan
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Win GIMP

2004-02-04 Thread Branko Collin
On 4 Feb 2004, at 0:15, Tor Lillqvist wrote:

 (Cc:ing to the gimp-developer list.)
 
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  I just wanted to add an SDI type view of GIMP, that way 
  when you don't have all the floaty windows.

In GIMP 2, there are already the possibilities of showing the main 
menu in the image window (I believe it's on by default), and of 
docking most other windows, so that you don't have too many floaty 
windows.

There has also been discussion about some MDI type interface, 
although the main developers seem dead against it, mainly on account 
of that they feel this is something that should be solved using the 
window manager, not the application.

Please check the bug database (http://bugs.gimp.org), the archives of 
this mailing list and perhaps anything you can find in Google.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Win GIMP

2004-02-04 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Branko Collin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   I just wanted to add an SDI type view of GIMP, that way 
   when you don't have all the floaty windows.
 
 In GIMP 2, there are already the possibilities of showing the main 
 menu in the image window (I believe it's on by default), and of 
 docking most other windows, so that you don't have too many floaty 
 windows.
 
 There has also been discussion about some MDI type interface, 
 although the main developers seem dead against it, mainly on account 
 of that they feel this is something that should be solved using the 
 window manager, not the application.

Please note that GIMP does MDI (multiple document interface) already,
it just doesn't folllow the WiW (window in window) approach that some
people seem to prefer for obscure reasons.

A good window manager makes the window-in-window concept unnecessary.
However if someone wanted to develop such an approach for all the poor
users that are forced to use a not so advanced window manager, then it
should probably be addressed at the toolkit level.


Sven
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Win GIMP

2004-02-04 Thread Daniel Rogers

There has also been discussion about some MDI type interface, 
although the main developers seem dead against it, mainly on account 
of that they feel this is something that should be solved using the 
window manager, not the application.


Please note that GIMP does MDI (multiple document interface) already,
it just doesn't folllow the WiW (window in window) approach that some
people seem to prefer for obscure reasons.
A good window manager makes the window-in-window concept unnecessary.
However if someone wanted to develop such an approach for all the poor
users that are forced to use a not so advanced window manager, then it
should probably be addressed at the toolkit level.
What Sven is saying, is that it is basically impossible to get Window in 
Window support working on linux.  You can do it, but is sucks a whole, 
whole lot.  On Windows, the best approach will be to add support for 
Window-in-Window to gtk+ our gui toolkit, as that kind of feature 
shouldn't be implemented in the gimp.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Win GIMP

2004-02-04 Thread Dave Neary
Daniel Rogers wrote:
A good window manager makes the window-in-window concept unnecessary.
However if someone wanted to develop such an approach for all the poor
users that are forced to use a not so advanced window manager, then it
should probably be addressed at the toolkit level.
What Sven is saying, is that it is basically impossible to get Window in 
Window support working on linux. 
Just a small precision - it is impossible to do WiW with gtk+. QT does it OK. 
And in fact, there is a project (I don't recall the name) which does just that - 
creates a window, and then embeds GIMP windows in it, using QT.

Cheers,
Dave.
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Win GIMP

2004-02-04 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Just a small precision - it is impossible to do WiW with gtk+.

I woulnd't say it's impossible; it would be cumbersome though.

 QT does it OK. And in fact, there is a project (I don't recall the
 name) which does just that - creates a window, and then embeds GIMP
 windows in it, using QT.

That project was a stupid hack and stopped working months ago. Xnest
on the other hand works perfectly well for this task.


Sven
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Win GIMP

2004-02-04 Thread Robert L Krawitz
   From: Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Date: 04 Feb 2004 15:08:43 +0100

   Please note that GIMP does MDI (multiple document interface)
   already, it just doesn't folllow the WiW (window in window)
   approach that some people seem to prefer for obscure reasons.

Every reference I've ever seen to MDI refers to window in window.  I
don't understand the purpose of that at all (and I happen to really
detest it, in any event, since it wastes a lot of screen space).

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