Re: [Gimp-developer] Rudeness on gimp devel and bugzilla - was:?Re: Tools

2007-03-23 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi Simon! On Wednesday 21 March 2007, Simon Budig wrote: Shlomi Fish ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Actually I also think it was too rude. Let's analyze it: [...] 1. You didn't say hi. Oh, come on. A lot of the mails on mailinglists don't include a greeting if quoting something. I've never

Re: [Gimp-developer] Rudeness on gimp devel and bugzilla - was:?Re: Tools

2007-03-23 Thread Manish Singh
On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 09:42:03AM +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: Well, you're somewhat right. But other projects do not seem to have a problem finding developers. Inkscape has them. Subversion has many of them. While the hackerdom level of the open source people has decreased somewhat, we still

Re: [Gimp-developer] Rudeness on gimp devel and bugzilla - was:?Re: Tools

2007-03-23 Thread Simon Budig
Manish Singh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 09:42:03AM +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: As brought up earlier, claiming other projects have significantly more developers is simply untrue. Please stop spreading FUD. Oh, btw, FUD is another candidate. AFAIK the term FUD has the

Re: [Gimp-developer] Rudeness on gimp devel and bugzilla - was:?Re: Tools

2007-03-22 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 06:02 +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: Well, I don't believe spending 10 minutes writing an email is a waste. I spend more time on most serious emails. When I write emails I invest a lot of conscious effort writing them. Does this mean that you are volunteering to

Re: [Gimp-developer] Rudeness on gimp devel and bugzilla - was:?Re: Tools

2007-03-22 Thread Alexander Rabtchevich
Maybe it worth gathering such a common questions in a FAQ and place the link to it at the main page of the gimp.org? Unless these common questions aren't answered at the usual place, they would be asked again and again. Sven Neumann wrote: But if ten minutes is the required amount of time that

Re: [Gimp-developer] Rudeness on gimp devel and bugzilla - was:?Re: Tools

2007-03-22 Thread Christopher Curtis
Hi, general comments: The tone of the GIMP mailing list has improved dramatically over the years (long time lurker here) and I would assert that it is generally very reasonable. However, language barriers can cause problems and special care should be taken when this is obviously the case. Also,

Re: [Gimp-developer] Rudeness on gimp devel and bugzilla - was: Re: Tools

2007-03-22 Thread David Marrs
Akkana Peck wrote: Maybe that's the intent -- to set up a gauntlet that weeds out any potential participants who might be lazy or thin skinned. If so, no problem. But if you actually want lots of new participants, then how other people perceive the project matters. I don't think more

Re: [Gimp-developer] Rudeness on gimp devel and bugzilla - was: Re: Tools

2007-03-22 Thread David Marrs
Michael Schumacher wrote: We do have a list etiquette at http://www.gimp.org/mail_lists.html. I'd like to suggest that it is moved above the mailing lists, maybe it will be read more often then. I recently submitted a patch to the gimp-web list addressing this page. I added a link to the

Re: [Gimp-developer] Rudeness on gimp devel and bugzilla - was:?Re: Tools

2007-03-21 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Tuesday 20 March 2007, Simon Budig wrote: Hi. Shlomi Fish ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: It took me 10 minutes to write. Oh wow. Is it just me or is this really a *lot* of time? Personally I'd consider answering 6 lazy questions per hour a waste of time. Well, a few notes: 1. I didn't

Re: [Gimp-developer] Rudeness on gimp devel and bugzilla - was:?Re: Tools

2007-03-21 Thread Simon Budig
Shlomi Fish ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Actually I also think it was too rude. Let's analyze it: [...] 1. You didn't say hi. Oh, come on. A lot of the mails on mailinglists don't include a greeting if quoting something. I've never perceived that as *rude*. 2. You phrased it as a question that

Re: [Gimp-developer] Rudeness on gimp devel and bugzilla - was:?Re: Tools

2007-03-21 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi Simon! Let me just say that I found your response (and your response to my other email) well-thought and constructive, and generally agreeable. However, now I have some higher priorities (not GIMP related unfortunately) so I will reply[1] to this email later when I have some spare cycles.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Rudeness on gimp devel and bugzilla - was:?Re: Tools

2007-03-21 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Wednesday 21 March 2007, Simon Budig wrote: Shlomi Fish ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tuesday 20 March 2007, Simon Budig wrote: Shlomi Fish ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: It took me 10 minutes to write. Oh wow. Is it just me or is this really a *lot* of time? Personally I'd

Re: [Gimp-developer] Rudeness on gimp devel and bugzilla - was: Re: Tools

2007-03-20 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 23:35 -0300, Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris wrote: Simon, where does that forbid one to add words like thanks, please, would and etc... to even a short answer, like a FAQ URL??? Feel free to add those, no one forbids it. But seriously, the question was stupid and the

Re: [Gimp-developer] Rudeness on gimp devel and bugzilla - was: Re: Tools

2007-03-20 Thread Michael Schumacher
Von: Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris [EMAIL PROTECTED] You see, the GIMP is not exactly with exceeding developer resources, and every single person I see trying to approach the project either here or over bugzilla gets a rude answer that might have turned then away for good. There are canned

Re: [Gimp-developer] Rudeness on gimp devel and bugzilla - was: Re: Tools

2007-03-20 Thread Simon Budig
Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Monday 19 March 2007 08:11, Simon Budig wrote: IMHO, refraining from posts like this could greatly improve the atmosphere of this list. It is really up to you to help  somebody with answering his question or not to help, but

Re: [Gimp-developer] Rudeness on gimp devel and bugzilla - was: Re: Tools

2007-03-20 Thread Michael Natterer
On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 23:35 -0300, Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris wrote: It is not really hard - and that is to you Mitch, you Sven, you Nomis, to simply rememebr the person on the other sidee is sitll a human being, is not it? Not less human for having less abilities to compile/hack

Re: [Gimp-developer] Rudeness on gimp devel and bugzilla - was: Re: Tools

2007-03-20 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:28:49 +0100, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Simon, where does that forbid one to add words like thanks, please, would and etc... to even a short answer, like a FAQ URL??? Nothing forbids that. The

Re: [Gimp-developer] Rudeness on gimp devel and bugzilla - was: Re: Tools

2007-03-20 Thread Alexander Rabtchevich
There is a practice within OO bugzilla management (at least with some QA persons) to 1. thank the bug reporter for his work - whether it is useless from a developer's POV or not. 2. if it is a well-known bug or the problem should be known from FAQ or other online document, the link to this

Re: [Gimp-developer] Rudeness on gimp devel and bugzilla - was: Re: Tools

2007-03-20 Thread gg
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:21:23 +0100, Michael Natterer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is not really hard - and that is to you Mitch, you Sven, you Nomis, to simply remember the person on the other side is still a human being, is not it? Not less human for having less abilities to compile/hack

Re: [Gimp-developer] Rudeness on gimp devel and bugzilla - was: Re: Tools

2007-03-20 Thread Akkana Peck
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Come on, that is simply a rude accusation. Is it rude? It seems perfectly reasonable and polite to me. Interestingly Sven seems to find this highly offensive as well. May be you think taking offense somehow negates the criticism. It seems you both are not too

Re: [Gimp-developer] Rudeness on gimp devel and bugzilla - was: Re: Tools

2007-03-20 Thread Ori Bernstein
(oops, sent privately: resending to list) On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:35:30 -0300, Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: You see, the GIMP is not exactly with exceeding developer resources, and every single person I see trying to approach the project either here or over bugzilla

Re: [Gimp-developer] Rudeness on gimp devel and bugzilla - was: Re: Tools

2007-03-20 Thread Simon Budig
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:21:23 +0100, Michael Natterer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is not really hard - and that is to you Mitch, you Sven, you Nomis, to simply remember the person on the other side is still a human being, is not it? Not less

Re: [Gimp-developer] Rudeness on gimp devel and bugzilla - was:?Re: Tools

2007-03-20 Thread Simon Budig
Hi. Shlomi Fish ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: It took me 10 minutes to write. Oh wow. Is it just me or is this really a *lot* of time? Personally I'd consider answering 6 lazy questions per hour a waste of time. (Sorry for not replying to all of your mail - this just stuck out to me) Bye,

Re: [Gimp-developer] Rudeness on gimp devel and bugzilla - was: Re: Tools

2007-03-20 Thread cedric GEMY
yep, Gimp's team has its own reputation : not very opened to outside things. may be this is not completely true, for examplegimp's team has been opened to join LGM instead of going on with the GimpCons. I guess nobody is responsible and everyone can be. The fact can Gimp is a quite huge and