Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...

2003-07-29 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Patrick McFarland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Actually, you probably should really convert. Convert to Pixels
 would infact destroy the text object, and make it a real
 image. And of course, while destroying the text object, you can no
 longer edit the text.

The text layer is always a real layer, but rest assured, you won't
notice the difference at the user interface level. It's just a fact
that we could include the possibility to restore the text later and I
wonder if we should do that.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...

2003-07-28 Thread Tomas Mraz
If you can build from source then you are probably more developer than
user anyway.
This isn't actually so big problem under Redhat 9 or Redhat 7.3 with 
Ximian Desktop 2.

1. Have proper devel rpms installed.
2. ./configure  make
3. su -
4. cd ...
5. make install
It doesn't seem so hard to me. But I can say that I wouldn't try to 
build all the dependency libraries by hand esp. because of the autoconf, 
libtool upgrade needed.

Tom Mraz

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...

2003-07-28 Thread Branko Collin
On 27 Jul 2003, at 23:00, Patrick McFarland wrote:

 On 27-Jul-2003, Branko Collin wrote:
  On 26 Jul 2003, at 18:19, Patrick McFarland wrote: 
   Wrong, Im an artist, and I prefer 1.3 over 1.2.
  
  Did you prefer 1.3 in January 2001? 
 
 Did 1.3 exist in january 2001?

As far as I can tell (from the Changelog), yes. 

The important questions, though, are 'was GIMP 1.2 feature-locked 
past January 2001?' and 'was GIMP 1.3 at all usable starting January 
2003?'.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...

2003-07-28 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Also if someone goes to the trouble of providing a patch the rejections
 needs to be less abrupt if you want people to keep making that effort.

I'm sorry for the short mail. I was about to leave town for a few days
and I preferred a quick reply over no reply.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...

2003-07-28 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Austin Donnelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 So is the current 1.3.x build environment documented in the HACKING
 file (or elsewhere)?

 I'm guessing that the file is probably out of date, or lacking things.

It is documented in INSTALL, I don't think it is missing things and it
certainly is not out-of-date.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...

2003-07-28 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Alastair Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 It's only recently I've installed GTK2 and got the PangoFT2 bits
 working - and it is a laborious and painful process.

Could you please explain what's so painful about it? Almost all
distributions include packages for it for quite some time already and
even compiling from source is pretty much straight-forward.

Please note that during the 1.3 development process we did never
depend on the very latest versions of the required libraries. We
always assured that even debian testing which is a very conservative
distribution has the packages available that are needed to build
GIMP-1.3. If we decided to change our dependencies to a newer version,
we always checked if this is really necessary.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...

2003-07-28 Thread Alan Horkan

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Sven Neumann wrote:

  It's only recently I've installed GTK2 and got the PangoFT2 bits
  working - and it is a laborious and painful process.

 Could you please explain what's so painful about it? Almost all
 distributions include packages for it for quite some time already and
 even compiling from source is pretty much straight-forward.

 Please note that during the 1.3 development process we did never
 depend on the very latest versions of the required libraries. We
 always assured that even debian testing which is a very conservative
 distribution has the packages available that are needed to build
 GIMP-1.3. If we decided to change our dependencies to a newer version,
 we always checked if this is really necessary.

Very glad to hear that you keep to the  highest development standards and
only upgrade when really necessary.

Sincerely

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...

2003-07-28 Thread Alastair Robinson
Hi Sven,

On Monday 28 July 2003 4:55 pm, Sven Neumann wrote:

 Could you please explain what's so painful about it? Almost all
 distributions include packages for it for quite some time already and
 even compiling from source is pretty much straight-forward.

OK, maybe painful was an exaggeration; really it was just time-consuming;
I'm using SuSE 8.0, and don't have -devel packages for even gtk+-1.2 packages 
on the original CDs.

The point I was trying to make was that needing full devel packages for all of 
the GTK2 stuff, including Pango-FT2 (and hence FreeType itself and 
Xft2/FontConfig) does constitute a barrier-to-entry (especially with a 56K 
dialup net connection), and is not something I'd go through just to play with 
the latest version of one particular app.

Doing it for a specific purpose (i.e. adapting my patch for the latest version 
of GIMP) is a different matter entirely, but in the first instance a patch 
will be developed because someone saw a need in a piece of software they were 
using - and in most cases that will be the Stable version.  The release of 
2.0 will make a big difference, because binary packages will become standard 
in distributions, so people will be using 2.0 when they recognise a 
particular need...

 Please note that during the 1.3 development process we did never
 depend on the very latest versions of the required libraries. We
 always assured that even debian testing which is a very conservative
 distribution has the packages available that are needed to build
 GIMP-1.3. If we decided to change our dependencies to a newer version,
 we always checked if this is really necessary.

Yes, I wasn't complaining of bleeding-edge requirements as such - merely 
attempting to explain a phenomenon that had been noted, and to which I had 
contributed :)

Ultimately though, GTK2 build environments are still not as common as GTK1 
build environments, so for many people, building the stable version is less 
hassle.

All the best,
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...

2003-07-28 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Patrick McFarland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 to that, having editable font boxen is very nice. (Though, Id like a
 way to force it to be a rendered layer, because when you change the
 layer, and accidently edit the layer's text, it erases everything
 you did.)

Yes, we should probably have Convert to Pixels for text layers.
Since internally we wouldn't really convert, should we perhaps even
stick a Convert to Text Layer menu entry to any ex-text-layer so it
can be converted back if necessary?

Of course the problem you mention will become be a lot less severe as
soon as undo for text operations is properly working.

I wouldn't mind if you or someone else filed bug-reports for these two
issues...


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...

2003-07-28 Thread Daniel Egger
Am Die, 2003-07-29 um 01.06 schrieb Alastair Robinson:

 OK, maybe painful was an exaggeration; really it was just time-consuming;
 I'm using SuSE 8.0, and don't have -devel packages for even gtk+-1.2 packages 
 on the original CDs.

Interesting, I'm pretty sure I put the devel packages on the CD. Is this
personal or professional and if the latter CD or DVD? Have you tried the
ftp sources?

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...

2003-07-28 Thread Patrick McFarland
On 29-Jul-2003, Sven Neumann wrote:
 Yes, we should probably have Convert to Pixels for text layers.
 Since internally we wouldn't really convert, should we perhaps even
 stick a Convert to Text Layer menu entry to any ex-text-layer so it
 can be converted back if necessary?

Actually, you probably should really convert. Convert to Pixels would infact
destroy the text object, and make it a real image. And of course, while
destroying the text object, you can no longer edit the text.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...

2003-07-28 Thread Patrick McFarland
On 29-Jul-2003, Sven Neumann wrote:
 I wouldn't mind if you or someone else filed bug-reports for these two
 issues...

The Convert To Pixels bug is here: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118547

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...

2003-07-27 Thread Branko Collin
On 26 Jul 2003, at 18:19, Patrick McFarland wrote:
 On 26-Jul-2003, Daniel Egger wrote:

  I think the problem is that 1.2 is far more used in productive work
  because artists and designers are afraid running software which is
  stamped alpha or beta more than just occasionally.
 
 Wrong, Im an artist, and I prefer 1.3 over 1.2.

Did you prefer 1.3 in January 2001? 

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...

2003-07-27 Thread Patrick McFarland
On 27-Jul-2003, Branko Collin wrote:
 On 26 Jul 2003, at 18:19, Patrick McFarland wrote: 
  Wrong, Im an artist, and I prefer 1.3 over 1.2.
 
 Did you prefer 1.3 in January 2001? 

Did 1.3 exist in january 2001?

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...

2003-07-26 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Miguel Ibarra [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Here's a patch to add optional libstartup-notification support to The
 Gimp. This will allow desktop managers as Gnome's to entertain users
 with a *so* funny clock cursor, while Gimp launches and initializes
 itself.

GIMP-1.3 does this already. We will not include it in 1.2 since only
bug-fixes go into 1.2.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...

2003-07-26 Thread Adam D. Moss
Sven Neumann wrote:
Miguel Ibarra [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Here's a patch to add optional libstartup-notification support to The
Gimp. This will allow desktop managers as Gnome's to entertain users
with a *so* funny clock cursor, while Gimp launches and initializes
itself.
GIMP-1.3 does this already. We will not include it in 1.2 since only
bug-fixes go into 1.2.
I'm interested, from a project point of view, why many (a good
proportion) of the patches that we get on this mailing list or
in bugzilla from 'external' (non-CVS-account) contributors are
against 1.2.x.
Are developers not very well aware of the positioning of
1.3.x (development) versus 1.2.x (stable)?  Is it too hard
to get a 1.3.x build to patch against?
Miguel, or anyone else, can you comment?

Identifying the cause of this weakness would help to smooth
the bumps in accepting (very welcome) external contributions.
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...

2003-07-26 Thread Carol Spears
Adam D. Moss wrote:

Sven Neumann wrote:

Miguel Ibarra [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Here's a patch to add optional libstartup-notification support to The
Gimp. This will allow desktop managers as Gnome's to entertain users
with a *so* funny clock cursor, while Gimp launches and initializes
itself.


GIMP-1.3 does this already. We will not include it in 1.2 since only
bug-fixes go into 1.2.


I'm interested, from a project point of view, why many (a good
proportion) of the patches that we get on this mailing list or
in bugzilla from 'external' (non-CVS-account) contributors are
against 1.2.x.
Are developers not very well aware of the positioning of
1.3.x (development) versus 1.2.x (stable)?  Is it too hard
to get a 1.3.x build to patch against?
Miguel, or anyone else, can you comment?

Identifying the cause of this weakness would help to smooth
the bumps in accepting (very welcome) external contributions.
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maybe he doesn't have cvs access 

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...

2003-07-26 Thread Adam D. Moss
Carol Spears wrote:
maybe he doesn't have cvs access 
That by no means stops anyone from submitting a patch
against 1.3.
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...

2003-07-26 Thread Alan Horkan

On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, Adam D. Moss wrote:

 Sven Neumann wrote:
  Miguel Ibarra [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Here's a patch to add optional libstartup-notification support to The
 Gimp. This will allow desktop managers as Gnome's to entertain users
 with a *so* funny clock cursor, while Gimp launches and initializes
 itself.
 
  GIMP-1.3 does this already. We will not include it in 1.2 since only
  bug-fixes go into 1.2.

Some projects are not so strict and would allow something like this
because it is quite unlikely to have any unwanted side effects.

Also if someone goes to the trouble of providing a patch the rejections
needs to be less abrupt if you want people to keep making that effort.

 I'm interested, from a project point of view, why many (a good
 proportion) of the patches that we get on this mailing list or
 in bugzilla from 'external' (non-CVS-account) contributors are
 against 1.2.x.

There has been too long a space between stable releases, I expect many
people are blissfully unaware that GIMP 1.3 even exists (and will remain
unaware until a new release ships with a major Linux distribution).

 Are developers not very well aware of the positioning of
 1.3.x (development) versus 1.2.x (stable)?  Is it too hard
 to get a 1.3.x build to patch against?

 Miguel, or anyone else, can you comment?

 Identifying the cause of this weakness would help to smooth
 the bumps in accepting (very welcome) external contributions.

I am optomistic that there will be an increase in outside contributions
when 2.0 comes out.

(I dont think a CVS account has anything to do with this, there is
anonymouse CVS access and I doubt a Ximian employee would have much
difficulty getting a CVS account if he wanted it).

Sincerely

Alan Horkan
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...

2003-07-26 Thread David Neary
Adam D. Moss wrote:
 I'm interested, from a project point of view, why many (a good
 proportion) of the patches that we get on this mailing list or
 in bugzilla from 'external' (non-CVS-account) contributors are
 against 1.2.x.

I think there are a few reasons for this. The biggest of them is
that setting up a gimp 1.3 compile environment is very time
consuming. Usually to be able to build from CVS, you need to
upgrade/install automake, autoconf, libtool, gettext, intltool to
start with, then get all the modules (png, jpeg, etc) installed
with headers, then get a working devel environment of gtk+ with
pangoft2, freetype2, fontconfig and the rest. Then finally you
can start autogening and making the gimp.

When GNOME2 becomes more or less ubiquitous on distributions, and
it is easily installable off distribution CDs with devel
packages, and fontconfig gets onto pretty much every linux box,
then it'll be easier to get up  going for the gimp. As it is, to
get a gimp 1.3 build environment for most people means passing 
several hours installing packages you don't have and probably 
don't particularly want. Plus, in the past that build environment 
has changed pretty drastically several times with no real prior
notice, which puts people off maintaining a working build.

At least, that's my theory :)

 Identifying the cause of this weakness would help to smooth
 the bumps in accepting (very welcome) external contributions.

I agree. I think we need to do a little more to get developpment
gimps built by more people. Exactly what, I don't know. Wait for
GNOME2 to take over the world, perhaps?

Cheers,
Dave.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...

2003-07-26 Thread Adam D. Moss
David Neary wrote:
I think there are a few reasons for this. The biggest of them is
that setting up a gimp 1.3 compile environment [..]
 automake, autoconf, libtool, gettext, intltool [..]
 (png, jpeg, etc) [..] gtk+ with pangoft2, freetype2, fontconfig
[..]
At least, that's my theory :)
It's a good theory, being the mysterious reason why
my own patches are made against 1.2.x and then blindly
forward-ported to 1.3.x (it's why my commits are usually
coupled with a bugzilla comment like 'could someone please
check that CVS HEAD now actually compiles' :) )
But I was hoping that the reasons for other developers
diffing against 1.2.x are even more mundane and fixable,
since everyone except me lives in a fairytale world
of supported rpms and debs and magical stuff like that.
Identifying the cause of this weakness would help to smooth
the bumps in accepting (very welcome) external contributions.
I agree. I think we need to do a little more to get developpment
gimps built by more people. Exactly what, I don't know. Wait for
GNOME2 to take over the world, perhaps?
If the hegemonising swarm of sub-mediocrity that is GNOME ever
succeeds in taking over the world, then I'm going to move up
to the mountains and become a hermit or a kung-fu monk or a
hermit kung-fu monk.
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...

2003-07-26 Thread David Neary
Adam D. Moss wrote:
 David Neary wrote:
 I think there are a few reasons for this. The biggest of them is
 that setting up a gimp 1.3 compile environment [..]
  utomake, autoconf, libtool, gettext, intltool [..]
  png, jpeg, etc) [..] gtk+ with pangoft2, freetype2, fontconfig
 [..]
 At least, that's my theory :)
 
 It's a good theory, being the mysterious reason why
 my own patches are made against 1.2.x and then blindly
 forward-ported to 1.3.x (it's why my commits are usually
 coupled with a bugzilla comment like 'could someone please
 check that CVS HEAD now actually compiles' :) )
 
 But I was hoping that the reasons for other developers
 diffing against 1.2.x are even more mundane and fixable,
 since everyone except me lives in a fairytale world
 of supported rpms and debs and magical stuff like that.

Being brutally brunt, if a maintainer of several gimp plug-ins
and a former core developper can't manage to keep an up-to-date
build of CVS going, what chances are there for mere mortals who
are just shopping around for a worthwhile cause?

 If the hegemonising swarm of sub-mediocrity that is GNOME ever
 succeeds in taking over the world, then I'm going to move up
 to the mountains and become a hermit or a kung-fu monk or a
 hermit kung-fu monk.

You may leave when you can grab the pebble from my hand,
grasshopper.

Dave.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...

2003-07-26 Thread Daniel Egger
Am Sam, 2003-07-26 um 16.39 schrieb Carol Spears:

 maybe he doesn't have cvs access 

Doesn't make sense from three perspectives:
- One doesn't need CVS to develop a patch
- Everyone can get at least anoncvs
- There are frequent releases and other means of getting the source

I think the problem is that 1.2 is far more used in productive work
because artists and designers are afraid running software which is
stamped alpha or beta more than just occasionally.

FWIW I think we're far to strict with what should go into 1.2 and not,
especially given the huge development cycles between new major stable
releases.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...

2003-07-26 Thread Patrick McFarland
On 26-Jul-2003, Daniel Egger wrote:
 I think the problem is that 1.2 is far more used in productive work
 because artists and designers are afraid running software which is
 stamped alpha or beta more than just occasionally.

Wrong, Im an artist, and I prefer 1.3 over 1.2.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...

2003-07-26 Thread Alastair Robinson
Hi,

On Saturday 26 July 2003 8:04 pm, Adam D. Moss wrote:

 It's a good theory, being the mysterious reason why
 my own patches are made against 1.2.x and then blindly

Ditto here.  There's also a common misconception, dating from the early 
releases of Gnome 2.0.  The first readmes said something about not being able 
to install the 2.0 packages alongside the older 1.4 packages, so many people, 
including myself, assumed this really did mean all the packages including 
GLib/GTK+.  Ironically, GIMP was the main program I was unwilling to 
sacrifice in trying out Gnome 2.0.

It's only recently I've installed GTK2 and got the PangoFT2 bits working - and 
it is a laborious and painful process.

All the best,  
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...

2003-07-26 Thread Daniel Egger
Am Son, 2003-07-27 um 00.19 schrieb Patrick McFarland:

 Wrong, Im an artist, and I prefer 1.3 over 1.2.

Good for you. I know at least 6 persons who do not. :)
However I'm quite interested in your reasons, would you please elaborate
so I can get some feeling what to tell people when they ask me reasons
for using 1.3. (Yeah, I'm addicted to (subpixel-)antialiased fonts on
LCD, too but I'm sure not many people would sacrify stability and their
experience with the older version for it).

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...

2003-07-26 Thread Patrick McFarland
On 27-Jul-2003, Daniel Egger wrote:
 Good for you. I know at least 6 persons who do not. :)
 However I'm quite interested in your reasons, would you please elaborate
 so I can get some feeling what to tell people when they ask me reasons
 for using 1.3.

Well, the tabbed dialog boxes, docks, are very nice. They save a lot of
desktop room (which is needed when you are editing large images, and arnt
willing to zoom out a lot.) 

Also, the fact that it has a sane text plugin is nice. (I switched over to a 
pango based font system, so all my truetype fonts cant (read as: Im not 
willing to add them back to X.) be seen by gtk1 apps.)

Also, the additional layer blending modes are nice. Ive used both Grain modes
already in some images, and they are nice additions to plain Addition and
Subtraction.

And with all of this, the image scaling dialog box has linear/cubic right
there, so I dont have to go the whole way into preferences to change which
scaling mode I want. (Which was a big fucking pain in the ass.) And in addition
to that, having editable font boxen is very nice. (Though, Id like a way to
force it to be a rendered layer, because when you change the layer, and
accidently edit the layer's text, it erases everything you did.)


People who are photoshop fanatics will like the menubar (which I hate since
I already use the right click menu.) 

The only thing I _dont_ like is there is no gimp-perl packaged for 1.3 in 
debin sid. (Is it not available for 1.3, or are ari and che not willing to
package it?)

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all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to
repetitive electronic music. -- Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...

2003-07-26 Thread Alan Horkan

On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, Patrick McFarland wrote:

 On 26-Jul-2003, Daniel Egger wrote:
  I think the problem is that 1.2 is far more used in productive work
  because artists and designers are afraid running software which is
  stamped alpha or beta more than just occasionally.

 Wrong, Im an artist, and I prefer 1.3 over 1.2.

One Swallow does not a summer make.

Normal users in general abhor using anything labelled beta,
consider your self extraordinary.

The quality of most proprietary software has even caused users to distrust
N.0 release and wait for the first or second service patch.

If you can build from source then you are probably more developer than
user anyway.

While it is great that there are GIMP users willing to make the
extra effort to use 1.3 I really hope to see GIMP being used by everyone
else.  The sooner we stamp out piracy of Adobe Photoshop the bettter :)

Sincerely

Alan Horkan
http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...

2003-07-25 Thread David Neary
Miguel Ibarra wrote:
 Here's a patch to add optional libstartup-notification support to The
 Gimp. This will allow desktop managers as Gnome's to entertain users
 with a *so* funny clock cursor, while Gimp launches and initializes
 itself.
 
 I hope the maintainers find this worthy of being included in the main
 distribution.

If this were ported to 1.3. latest, I'd like to see it considered
for includion :)


Cheers,
Dave.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Startup Notification support...

2003-07-25 Thread Carol Spears
Miguel Ibarra wrote:

Here's a patch to add optional libstartup-notification support to The
Gimp. This will allow desktop managers as Gnome's to entertain users
with a *so* funny clock cursor, while Gimp launches and initializes
itself.
I hope the maintainers find this worthy of being included in the main
distribution.
Regards,

 



diff -Nru -x '*~' -x '*.o' -x '*.orig' -x '*.rej' gimp-1.2.5.orig/app/Makefile.am 
gimp-1.2.5/app/Makefile.am
--- gimp-1.2.5.orig/app/Makefile.am Thu Feb 13 17:13:11 2003
+++ gimp-1.2.5/app/Makefile.am  Thu Jul 24 15:42:13 2003
@@ -464,6 +464,7 @@
-I$(top_srcdir) \
-I$(top_srcdir)/intl\
$(GTK_CFLAGS)   \
+   $(STARTUP_NOTIFICATION_CFLAGS)  \
-I$(includedir)
gimp_1_2_LDADD = \
@@ -474,6 +475,7 @@
$(GTK_LIBS) \
$(GIMP_THREAD_LIBS) \
$(GIMP_MP_LIBS) \
+   $(STARTUP_NOTIFICATION_LIBS)\
$(INTLLIBS)
gimp-win32res.o : gimp.rc
diff -Nru -x '*~' -x '*.o' -x '*.orig' -x '*.rej' gimp-1.2.5.orig/app/app_procs.c 
gimp-1.2.5/app/app_procs.c
--- gimp-1.2.5.orig/app/app_procs.c Thu Apr  3 17:59:30 2003
+++ gimp-1.2.5/app/app_procs.c  Thu Jul 24 15:42:31 2003
@@ -349,11 +349,59 @@
static GtkWidget *label2 = NULL;
static GtkWidget *pbar   = NULL;
+#ifdef HAVE_STARTUP_NOTIFICATION
+#define SN_API_NOT_YET_FROZEN
+#include libsn/sn-launchee.h
+#include gdk/gdkx.h
+
+static void
+sn_error_trap_push (SnDisplay *display,
+Display   *xdisplay)
+{
+  gdk_error_trap_push ();
+}
+
+static void
+sn_error_trap_pop (SnDisplay *display,
+   Display   *xdisplay)
+{
+  gdk_error_trap_pop ();
+}
+
+static void
+startup_notification_complete(void)
+{
+  SnDisplay *sn_display = NULL;
+  SnLauncheeContext *context = NULL;
+  Display *xdisplay;
+
+  xdisplay = GDK_WINDOW_XDISPLAY(win_initstatus-window);
+  sn_display = sn_display_new (xdisplay,
+			   sn_error_trap_push,
+			   sn_error_trap_pop);
+  
+  context = sn_launchee_context_new_from_environment (sn_display,
+		  DefaultScreen(xdisplay));
+
+  if (context != NULL)
+{
+  sn_launchee_context_complete (context);
+  sn_launchee_context_unref (context);
+  sn_display_unref (sn_display);
+}
+
+}
+#endif
+
static void
destroy_initialization_status_window (void)
{
  if (win_initstatus)
{
+  #ifdef HAVE_STARTUP_NOTIFICATION
+  startup_notification_complete();
+  #endif
+
  gtk_widget_destroy (win_initstatus);

  if (logo_pixmap != NULL)
@@ -362,6 +410,7 @@
  logo_pixmap = NULL;
  win_initstatus = label1 = label2 = pbar = logo_area = NULL;
}
+
}
static void
diff -Nru -x '*~' -x '*.o' -x '*.orig' -x '*.rej' gimp-1.2.5.orig/configure.in 
gimp-1.2.5/configure.in
--- gimp-1.2.5.orig/configure.inSun Jun  1 22:54:58 2003
+++ gimp-1.2.5/configure.in Thu Jul 24 15:41:48 2003
@@ -748,6 +748,8 @@
*** --disable-print to configure (but you won't be able to print then).])
fi
+dnl This is for startup notification
+PKG_CHECK_MODULES(STARTUP_NOTIFICATION, libstartup-notification-1.0 = 0.5, 
AC_DEFINE([HAVE_STARTUP_NOTIFICATION],[], [Should we use libstartup-notification]) echo Building with 
libstartup-notification, echo Building without libstartup-notification)
dnl This is for the gimp-perl plug-in
AC_ARG_ENABLE(perl, [  --disable-perl  do not build perl extension [by default 
enabled]
@@ -931,6 +933,9 @@
AC_SUBST(GIMP_PLUGINS)
AC_SUBST(GIMP_MODULES)
+AC_SUBST(STARTUP_NOTIFICATION_CFLAGS)
+AC_SUBST(STARTUP_NOTIFICATION_LIBS)
+
dnl Output the Makefiles
AC_OUTPUT([
 

 

this sounds really really cool.

can we start with this on the web site (or on the wiki) and 
make downloadable plugins?

remove some of our favorite plugins, make sure they are tidy,
and put them back on line with some *help* and *explainations*?
please?

carol



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