On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 08:20:51PM -0500, Brendan wrote:
Please, oh Lord, someone fork Gimp.
Actually, I doubt that forking the codebase and starting a new project
will solve the problems we're facing. Starting new projects is always
easier than manage them, as well as facing problems and solving
Brendan writes:
Please, oh Lord, someone fork Gimp.
I can imagine the scenario: (This is a parody, not a flame)
Someones forks GIMP, sets up a project on (say) SourceForge. He spends
lots of effort on the project's web page. (He is a c00l web designer.)
It has a long list of features that this
Hi,
Martin Nordholts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
However, I think that when you use GIMP, the taskbar quickly gets
bloated with lots of images. Would a TDI (Tabbed Document Interface)
be very tough to implement in GIMP? TDI's have become very popular,
and afaik lots of people agrees that TDIs
Hi,
Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I wonder how many times it will take to hear the Perhaps Gimp
should think about having a Photoshop-mode before we'll stop
defending Gimp's interface...
How many times will it take before people realize how much work it
would be to add and support
Hi,
Alexandre Prokoudine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
When you say get rid of you mean distribute its menu items over
menus in each document's window?
Yes.
And when it's done will toolbox still be an always floating window
or optionally dockable one?
We will have to evaluate this based on
On Thursday 23 March 2006 03:44, you wrote:
Hi,
Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I wonder how many times it will take to hear the Perhaps Gimp
should think about having a Photoshop-mode before we'll stop
defending Gimp's interface...
How many times will it take before people realize
On 3/23/06, Brendan wrote:
I am primarily a KDE hacker. I already donate piles of time to that effort,
including writing docs. I use Gimp almost every day, but I hear it
continuously about the need to have it at least have a PS compatibility mode,
from graphic designers who would love to use
For people who want layer erffects and photoshop style interface. goto...
http://www.kanzelsberger.com/pixel/?page_id=9
Can we have a section in Gimp's FAQ about why the Gimp does not directly
copy Photoshop?
- Cam
Brendan wrote:
On Thursday 23 March 2006 03:44, you wrote:
Hi,
Brendan
On Thursday 23 March 2006 05:46, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On 3/23/06, Brendan wrote:
I am primarily a KDE hacker. I already donate piles of time to that
effort, including writing docs. I use Gimp almost every day, but I hear
it continuously about the need to have it at least have a PS
Why do you keep using GIMP? Why don't you help Boudewijn with tracking
down bugs in Krita 1.5 beta2?
Great way to attract collaborators. I guess many people love the GIMP,
but they don't have the attitude to cooperate in its development; I
could not be this harsh even if I tried.
Alex.
On 3/23/06, Alex Fernandez wrote:
Why do you keep using GIMP? Why don't you help Boudewijn with tracking
down bugs in Krita 1.5 beta2?
Great way to attract collaborators. I guess many people love the GIMP,
but they don't have the attitude to cooperate in its development; I
could not be
Alex Fernandez wrote:
Why do you keep using GIMP? Why don't you help Boudewijn with tracking
down bugs in Krita 1.5 beta2?
Great way to attract collaborators. I guess many people love the GIMP,
but they don't have the attitude to cooperate in its development; I
could not be this harsh even
Both questions are valid.
They are not valid. If someone said she was a KDE developer on a
Mozilla list, would you think it right to ask why is she using Firefox
instead of helping out with Konqueror?
How would you phrase them to be less harsh?
Not making them. It is one thing to be curt and
Alex Fernandez wrote:
Both questions are valid.
They are not valid. If someone said she was a KDE developer on a
Mozilla list, would you think it right to ask why is she using Firefox
instead of helping out with Konqueror?
If he wants to convert Firefox into Konqueror, I would ask this,
On 3/23/06, Sven Neumann wrote:
And when it's done will toolbox still be an always floating window
or optionally dockable one?
We will have to evaluate this based on user scenarios. ButI don't
think we would reject a clean patch that adds this functionality.
Sure :)
Simply distributing
They are not valid. If someone said she was a KDE developer on a
Mozilla list, would you think it right to ask why is she using Firefox
instead of helping out with Konqueror?
If he wants to convert Firefox into Konqueror, I would ask this, yes.
But he doesn't! He said that the GIMP could
Alex Fernandez wrote:
It is not like you can afford turning away any helping hands.
I think this gets us back on track.
People are usually proud of belonging to a helpful community,
and are turned away by impolite answers like this one.
IMO is is still arguable whether Alexandre's
On 3/23/06, Alex Fernandez wrote:
But he doesn't! He said that the GIMP could have a PS compatibility
mode
For usability's sake it's not good to introduce modes that make same
application look and behave different.
It was countless times announced by developers in this and other
mailing lists
We can improve the GIMP UI and it will improve. But if you really
think that the only acceptable user interface is a perfect clone of
Photoshop, then why don't you go ahead and start a project that aims
to create such a clone?
Weren't people complaining about Gimpshop forking instead of
Alex Fernandez wrote:
I have been reading many different developer mailing lists for
several years now, and I've seen endless bickering, flaming,
trolling, baiting... but this aggressive attitude towards potential
developers and despise for users is unheard of. It is IMHO very
unprofessional
But he doesn't! He said that the GIMP could have a PS compatibility
mode
For usability's sake it's not good to introduce modes that make same
application look and behave different.
I completely agree with this. Probably docking palettes or something
like this would be all that is needed to
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 06:59:40PM +0100, Alex Fernandez wrote:
Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
It was countless times announced by developers in this and other
mailing lists that they do wish to improve GUI of GIMP, but that they
don't want to clone PS. Sven wrote a special posting about it
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 04:22:19PM +0100, PLinnell wrote:
In defense of the GIMP team, they are (unfairly IMO) criticized by
those who are not attuned to the actual state of development and
their stated goals.
Call it support fatigue if you will, but these kinds of issues have
been
Looking at the menu we have.
1) Plugin/script development tools
2) Scripts that create new images.
3) The Module and Unit Editors
Wouldn't it make sense to refactor 2) into the file menu - either as a new
from script, or into the new file dialog - as a special type of template
even.
3) should
On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 12:37:52AM +0100, Axel Wernicke wrote:
Exactly. So, do you have some Inkscape-like GUI on your mind?
well I know this is insane, but I have Mac OS X in mind, where the
menu is sticked to a menubar that is always located at the top of the
screen :)
And even that is
First of all I have to tell I'm not a developer, but just I'm helping with
italian translation of the program.
I read all the messages that created this flame war.
Through the lines I found a few good ideas that if implemented toghether should
be a good compromise between Gimp and PS interface.
On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 02:39:04PM +0100, Marega Marco wrote:
First of all I have to tell I'm not a developer, but just I'm helping with
italian translation of the program.
I read all the messages that created this flame war.
Through the lines I found a few good ideas that if implemented
On Wednesday 22 March 2006 16:55, Carol Spears wrote:
in this very big world now, it can be confusing (i imagine) to join us
in our little part of it. gimp has never been written with the goal of
huge masses of users that need to be pleased. it has been written with
quality and efficiency in
On 3/23/06, Brendan wrote:
Oh god, that is lame.
We want to write good, quality code, that 4 people will use. We could make a
few concessions and get 4 million using it, but no, we're good with the 4
people.
Please, oh Lord, someone fork Gimp.
I'm doing my best to understand why people
Hi Martin,
Am 21.03.2006 um 19:17 schrieb Martin Nordholts:
Hi!
I am I big fan of OSS and I love the GIMP initiativ.
That is an very honorable attitude :)
I am also a big fan of usability though, and I must wonder why
there is a menu item named 'Xtns'? From a usability point of view,
From:Axel Wernicke [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:Martin Nordholts [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC:gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDUSubject:Re: [Gimp-developer] Why be cryptic? 'Xtns' should be name 'Extensions'Date:Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:34:15 +0100Hi Martin,Am 21.03.2006 um 19:17 schrieb Martin Nordholts:Hi!I
I think this implies a design flaw. IMHO, you should neverneed to sacrifice understandability for layout.
As I think usability (or rather a lack of it) is the main obstacle for people to migrate to freely availible software, wouldn't implementing the GIMP interface identicly to the market leading
Hi,
Martin Nordholts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As I think usability (or rather a lack of it) is the main obstacle for
people to migrate to freely availible software, wouldn't implementing
the GIMP interface identicly to the market leading Adobe PS be the
best thing to do?
The
The user interface of Photoshop has the same problem that GIMP's user
interface has: It has not been designed but it is grown into what it
is today. In that aspect the Photoshop user interface is definitely
worse than GIMP.
I've have experience with both of Photoshop and GIMP, and I don't
On 3/21/06, Martin Nordholts wrote:
At first I had a
hard time grasping the philosify behind Photoshop's interface, but after
taking a class where we learned PS, it all made sense.
You took a class to understand PS interface and now you find it
better than GIMPs, for which, by the way, you
On 3/21/06, Martin Nordholts wrote:
GIMP does not attempt to be Photoshop nor to be like Photoshop.
Well, I think it should! If there is any software today that has potential
to be a PS counterpart, it is GIMP. I mean why, would we not want it to be
Photoshop?
It's so simple that I fail to
On 3/21/06, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
are doomed to fail if you try to make a great tool by carbon copying
it.
By carbon copying other tool, sorry :)))
Alexandre
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First of all, I probably should mention that I'm not a GIMP
developer. However, I have worked with user interface design
professionally for over a decade and a half, and had been doing
plugins for Photoshop since before 3.5...
On Mar 21, 2006, at 12:19 PM, Martin Nordholts wrote:
I've
First, thanks for an insightful reply.
I read about MDIs at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_document_interface and I was conviced,
MDI seems like a thing of the past.
However, I think that when you use GIMP, the taskbar quickly gets bloated
with lots of images. Would a TDI (Tabbed
This is one of those debates which dosent thrill me.
Gimp != Photoshop.
People often misunderstand free software and think.
Hey here is a free Photoshop, cool. What?? its not the same...
why not???
People open the gimp. poke about. and complain if its not what there
used to. *(Grrr)
I
On 3/21/06, Sven Neumann wrote:
Well, in this particular case, I would just encourage to rename
'Xtns' to 'Extensions'.
The problem here is that the toolbox is rather small and if we renamed
the menu as you suggested, that would push the Help menu off the
window. Of course you
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Hi Alexandre,
Am 21.03.2006 um 23:51 schrieb Alexandre Prokoudine:
Simply distributing menu items sounds like a fairly easy task.
Doing so would assume that there is always at least one document
window. This is not the case in the gui
On 3/22/06, Axel Wernicke wrote:
Simply distributing menu items sounds like a fairly easy task.
Doing so would assume that there is always at least one document
window. This is not the case in the gui architecture of GIMP right now.
Exactly. So, do you have some Inkscape-like GUI on your
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Am 21.03.2006 um 23:58 schrieb Alexandre Prokoudine:
On 3/22/06, Axel Wernicke wrote:
Simply distributing menu items sounds like a fairly easy task.
Doing so would assume that there is always at least one document
window. This is not the case
Martin Nordholts ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
However, I think that when you use GIMP, the taskbar quickly gets bloated
with lots of images. Would a TDI (Tabbed Document Interface) be very tough
to implement in GIMP? TDI's have become very popular, and afaik lots of
people agrees that TDIs
On Tuesday 21 March 2006 14:45, Sven Neumann wrote:
By having an identical interface, more people could migrate, more
people would help on development, and everything would become better.
GIMP does not attempt to be Photoshop nor to be like Photoshop. We do
not believe that Photoshop
Martin Nordholts writes:
I've have experience with both of Photoshop and GIMP, and I don't agree. To
me Photoshop's interface is much more thoroughly designed.
Well, using usability expertise and the experience of real power GIMP
users in (re)designing GIMP's UI is something which the GIMP
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