Re: [Gimp-developer] http://developer.gimp.org/
On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:27:10 +0100, Raphaël Quinet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10 Feb 2003 18:39:09 +0100, Niklas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] http://devel.helloween.kicks-ass.org/ [...snip!...] I think that we should move that discussion to the gimp-web list, if it is still working (it has been silent for a bit more than a year). As a test, I have posted this message to both lists and I will see if it gets through. If it does, then I suggest that we continue the discussion there. After posting that message, I realized that I had been subscribed to the gimp-web list using a different address. As a result, my message was sent to the moderator for approval. Given the amount of spam that has landed in the approval bin during last year, I do not expect my message to be approved anytime soon... (Hi Carol! ;-)) Hopefully, this one will appear on the gimp-web list, because I have fixed my subscription in the meantime. Anyway, I have a question about the design that you (Niklas) are proposing: did you use a set of scripts to add the template (header, footer, menu) around the page contents, or is every page created by hand? Is the editing done at the HTML level, or do you use some tools to generate all or parts of the page from a different markup language or from a simpler version of the HTML code? -Raphaël P.S.: I set the Reply-To: to the gimp-web list. This should work now. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-web] Re: [Gimp-developer] http://developer.gimp.org/
Hi, On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 19:15, Raphaël Quinet wrote: Anyway, I have a question about the design that you (Niklas) are proposing: did you use a set of scripts to add the template (header, footer, menu) around the page contents, or is every page created by hand? The page is created by hand. And I am trying to make some changes in the include files to make it easier to validate and also easier to understand. (I hope). So there will be a temp.html file for you to look at. Is the editing done at the HTML level, or do you use some tools to generate all or parts of the page from a different markup language or from a simpler version of the HTML code? It is all HTML but this is also XHTML strict so the content of the site uses div/div and p/p for the main content, the rest of the structures are in the css file. So this is more XHTML then HTML. This makes the site beutiful to work with. :) div class=aclassThis is a title/div p Here we have some info /p That is all sort of. But then again this depends a lot on what you want the file to include. Regards, -- Niklas [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] http://developer.gimp.org/
On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 01:37:37PM +0100, Raphaël Quinet wrote: I have done a small test design based on the design that drc has done and also drc has helped me to make the test developers site look good with the changing of colors and images. The test site can be located here: http://devel.helloween.kicks-ass.org/ That looks nice. That design looks vaguely familiar... ;-) It's broken on Netscape 4.7 (disabling Style Sheets helps, but it looks rather ugly then). There is text behind the image etc. But I guess it's nice if displayed correctly. HTH! Tino. PS: Note that JavaScript and Style Sheets are linked together in Netscape - if you disable JavaScript, Style Sheets are also disabled. -- * LINUX - Where do you want to be tomorrow? * http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/linux/tag/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] http://developer.gimp.org/
Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tino Schwarze) writes: It's broken on Netscape 4.7 (disabling Style Sheets helps, but it looks rather ugly then). There is text behind the image etc. But I guess it's nice if displayed correctly. I don't think we have to care about browsers as obsolete and known-to-be-broken as Netscape 4.7. Salut, Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] http://developer.gimp.org/
On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 03:37:26PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote: It's broken on Netscape 4.7 (disabling Style Sheets helps, but it looks rather ugly then). There is text behind the image etc. But I guess it's nice if displayed correctly. I don't think we have to care about browsers as obsolete and known-to-be-broken as Netscape 4.7. The best thing one can do with NN 4.x is [IMHO] to (a) detect it with PHP or whatever and don't include style sheets, or include a different one -- this is prohibited IIUC (b) use some dirty trick http://centricle.com/ref/css/filters/ to make it see no/other/only part of the style sheet, e.g. @import url(bigstyle.css) Since people still use NN 4.x, they should be able to display the pages in some readable (not nice) form, so I suggest hiding CSS for NN 4.x with @import. Yeti ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] http://developer.gimp.org/
On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:16:56 +0100, David Necas (Yeti) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 03:37:26PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote: It's broken on Netscape 4.7 (disabling Style Sheets helps, but it looks rather ugly then). There is text behind the image etc. But I guess it's nice if displayed correctly. I don't think we have to care about browsers as obsolete and known-to-be-broken as Netscape 4.7. As someone who still has to use Netscape 4.x from time to time (old computers, not enough memory to run newer browsers), I would like to be able to support Netscape 4.x as long as it does not add too many constraints on the design. The best thing one can do with NN 4.x is [IMHO] to (a) detect it with PHP or whatever and don't include style sheets, or include a different one -- this is prohibited IIUC It is not prohibited, but I would like to avoid that if possible. This trick would require dynamic pages. This would not only increase the load on the server, but this would also prevent the pages from being cached in proxies. I prefer static pages. (b) use some dirty trick http://centricle.com/ref/css/filters/ to make it see no/other/only part of the style sheet, e.g. @import url(bigstyle.css) I have used a similar trick in some pages that I have designed, and it works quite well. I suggest using that. Also, Netscape 4.x does not support the CSS borders correctly, but there are ways around that. I am convinced that it is possible to design the pages is such a way that they is not completely broken in Netscape 4.x. But I would like to focus first on the way the pages will be created (building scripts, directory structure, etc.). Since people still use NN 4.x, they should be able to display the pages in some readable (not nice) form, so I suggest hiding CSS for NN 4.x with @import. I agree. There are still a number of GIMP users who are relying on this old browser, so we should try to suppport it as long as possible. The pages don't have to look nice, but they should at least be readable and they should not look broken. -Raphaël ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] http://developer.gimp.org/
Hi, On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 13:37, Raphaël Quinet wrote: That looks nice. That design looks vaguely familiar... ;-) It should look familiar.I think you might know the reason to why it should look familiar. I am not sure that the front page should have some kind of news, though. Having up-to-date information for the main site will be hard enough. History shows that everybody is excited at first and supplies a lot of news, but this slows down after a while and it is difficult to keep the site alive. So it would probably be better to keep the news part for the main site only. The home page of the developers' site would only have a set of links to the important sections of the site, even if this duplicates some parts of the navigation bar. Yes, but what should be here instead? Some info about what developer.gimp.org is? That's fine for me. There are only a few requirements that I would like to put on the design: - It should be clean XHTML 1.0 (or at least HTML 4.01). It looks like this is already the case. - The page design should not include too many images or complex (D)HTML stuff. Again, it looks like this is fine already. - There should be some kind of revision control system (such as CVS) for the contents of the pages. This reduces potential problems if there is more than one webmaster for the pages. - For those editing the pages, the contents should be clearly separated from the template. This means that all source files should only contain the body of the pages (without header, footer or navigation bar) and some build system should be able to apply the template to these source files to generate the final HTML pages. (*) - The source files (under revision control) and generated files should be in different directories. Ideally, it should be possible to rebuild everything by typing make in the source directory. - The generated HTML files should be static: no server-side includes, PHP, Perl or other fancy stuff that would put additional requirements on the server. - It should be possible to integrate some pages that are not using the same templates. This will be useful for the documentation pages generated by gtk-doc. All this is no problem at all. The big problem in this case would be the CVS stuff for the developer.gimp.org, I don't have knowledge enough to create a CVS-server for the site. Any ideas? So if this is fine for you, then I would be happy to work together with you on the update of the developers' site. That is great, I would be more then happy to work with the design. Regards, -- Niklas [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] http://developer.gimp.org/
On 10 Feb 2003 18:39:09 +0100, Niklas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 13:37, Raphaël Quinet wrote: I am not sure that the front page should have some kind of news, though. [...] The home page of the developers' site would only have a set of links to the important sections of the site, even if this duplicates some parts of the navigation bar. Yes, but what should be here instead? Some info about what developer.gimp.org is? Yes, something like that. And maybe duplicate some links from the navigation bar, with some additional explanations about what you can find on those pages. That's fine for me. There are only a few requirements that I would like to put on the design: [...] All this is no problem at all. The big problem in this case would be the CVS stuff for the developer.gimp.org, I don't have knowledge enough to create a CVS-server for the site. Any ideas? You don't have to worry about that. If we do not need remote CVS access, we can simply set up a local repository on wilber (the box that runs the web server). If you do not have an account on that machine, then we can use a remote CVS server. For example, we could apply for the creation of a new module on cvs.gnome.org. That should be possible. That is great, I would be more then happy to work with the design. You are welcome! I think that we should move that discussion to the gimp-web list, if it is still working (it has been silent for a bit more than a year). As a test, I have posted this message to both lists and I will see if it gets through. If it does, then I suggest that we continue the discussion there. -Raphaël ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] http://developer.gimp.org/
On 07 Feb 2003 13:29:07 +0100, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have the 1.2 docs installed at the moment. But if someone has the 1.2 API docs installed and correctly cross-linked to the gtk+ and glib docs, perhaps he/she could prepare a tarball of the whole thing (libgimp, glib and gtk docs). We could then put the reference manual for 1.2 online as well. It would be very nice if someone could build these docs with the correct links and send a tarball to me or Sven (or even better, tell me where I can fetch the file using ftp or wget). I currently do not have the tools necessary to rebuild the docs on my own machine, so I would appreciate to get a copy from someone who can build them. Another option for the cross-references to the glib and gtk docs would be to replace the relative links with direct links to the online versions available from developer.gnome.org (which should always have the latest 1.2.x docs): http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/glib/index.html http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/gdk/index.html http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/gtk/index.html -Raphaël ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] http://developer.gimp.org/
Hi, I have done a small test design based on the design that drc has done and also drc has helped me to make the test developers site look good with the changing of colors and images. The test site can be located here: http://devel.helloween.kicks-ass.org/ But remember that this is a test design. Now I know that Raphaël wants to do the scripts so I have a suggestion: I can do the design and Raphaël can do the scripts and the content of the site. What do you think Raphaël? And I would also like to thank drc with the help of my weird ideas. Regards, -- Niklas [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] http://developer.gimp.org/
On 06 Feb 2003 16:35:12 +0100, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just wanted to inform you that I've done some minor updates to http://developer.gimp.org/. I've added some interesting links as well as a snapshot of the current GIMP API reference. The page is very simple since it was my goal to put up some content first. Nice! And I like the idea content first, frivolous decorations later... Perhaps someone wants to volunteer to maintain this little site. This would involve improving its design, updating links and setting up a few scripts that update the API reference from CVS (and perhaps provides other files out of the CVS tree like NEWS and ChangeLog). I'd also like to see the new developers FAQ to be hosted under this address. I can provide some help for this. Given the current state of the old developers FAQ, I'd recommend removing the link or at least mentioning that it is outdated (and wrong in some cases). Regarding the links to Bugzilla, there is an automatically generated table of links at the bottom of this page: http://www.gimp.org/devel_ver.html This could be useful for those who want to be able to limit their queries to the stable or unstable versions. -Raphaël P.S.: Reminder to all GIMP developers: FOSDEM takes place this week-end in Brussels. http://www.fosdem.org/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
