Re: [Gimp-developer] make healing brush and clone tool use one source and possibly involve shift modifier

2006-09-13 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

On Wed, 2006-09-13 at 10:32 +0300, Alexander Rabtchevich wrote:

> Making a conclusion, sometimes it is required to replace the destination 
> color with the source one, not only to flatten or copy the texture of 
> the source. That's why I use the clone tool consequently with the 
> healing brush.

The heal tool needs to change anyway. The current state where it only
works if you click, but not if you paint with it, is not acceptable. So
perhaps we can take your points into consideration when changing the
tool. Currently the idea is to make the Heal tool work just like the
Clone tool and apply the healing magic after released the mouse button.
Perhaps there could be a modifier key that suppresses the healing so it
would work just like a clone tool.


Sven


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Re: [Gimp-developer] make healing brush and clone tool use one source and possibly involve shift modifier

2006-09-13 Thread Alexander Rabtchevich
I'll try to describe my workflow. When I'm retouching (humans skin) 
there are two types of defects from color point of view: 1. the ones 
which have rather large smooth area and which color differs from skin 
color and 2. small ones with the texture other than nearby skin and 
possibly but not necessary different color. The difference is rather 
narrow and is based on defect size compared to nearby face features: 
foldings, lips...


I use scalable round brush mostly with 50% opacity which fades to edges. 
Also 2 modifiers are used: [] for quick and <> for exact brush resizing.


So if a defect has different (reddish) color, it can even have the same 
texture as the nearby skin. The healing brush doesn't change the color, 
but it is required here! The clone tool is just in place for this 
action. So I switch to it with C, select the source again and apply it.


Making a conclusion, sometimes it is required to replace the destination 
color with the source one, not only to flatten or copy the texture of 
the source. That's why I use the clone tool consequently with the 
healing brush.



Sven Neumann wrote:


That said, let's get back to your suggestion. It would help if, instead
of proposing a solution, you could outline what exactly you cannot
achieve using the Heal tool. There are most probably better ways to
solve the problem.

Sven



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With respect
Alexander Rabtchevich
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Re: [Gimp-developer] make healing brush and clone tool use one source and possibly involve shift modifier

2006-09-12 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

On Wed, 2006-09-13 at 09:28 +0300, Alexander Rabtchevich wrote:

> Working with healing brush in 2.3.11 I've found it very useful. But 
> sometimes it is required not only to change the texture, but also to 
> change color of the image part while retouching with clone tool. So I 
> switch between tools with C and H hotkeys. It could be even smoother if 
> these tools use the same source: if a source for healing brush is 
> selected, and user switches to clone tool, the clone tool should already 
> have the same source and be ready to work.

The only reasonable way to implement this would be to remove the Heal
tool and integrate healing as an option in the Clone tool. But we
decided against this because the clone options are already quite
complex.

This is similar to the Pencil and Paintbrush tools. There could be a
toggle for "Hard edge" in the Paintbrush tool instead of a dedicated
Pencil tool. This would result in a more powerful tool but it would be
quite overloaded and the Pencil feature would be harder to discover. The
same reasons apply here for having a dedicated Heal tool.

That said, let's get back to your suggestion. It would help if, instead
of proposing a solution, you could outline what exactly you cannot
achieve using the Heal tool. There are most probably better ways to
solve the problem.


Sven


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