Re: [Gimp-developer] menu back in the toolbox

2010-10-26 Thread Patrick Horgan
On 10/25/2010 12:45 PM, Martin Nordholts wrote: On 10/25/2010 05:19 PM, Patrick Horgan wrote: 1) You press TAB 2) The toolbox and dialogs disappear - good. 3) The nice big drawing surface that you sized just how you wanted it (on purpose!) resizes small and to one corner of the screen. I

Re: [Gimp-developer] menu back in the toolbox

2010-10-25 Thread Patrick Horgan
Tomek, I too was very upset about the menu but I'm not anymore because of the TAB key. With the new design, I can have all of my windows for art and just press TAB and the toolbox and the dialogs go away leaving free access to the art. When I need to click something in the toolbox or

Re: [Gimp-developer] menu back in the toolbox

2010-10-25 Thread Tomek CEDRO
Hello Patrick, Thank you for the Tab hint. I have tested it a bit more and well its pretty good I must admit - I have one window, I can spread windows/images across many desktops and the toolbars are following the windows. There is no toolbox I got used to, but I can minimize this no-window, hide

Re: [Gimp-developer] menu back in the toolbox

2010-10-25 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 10/25/2010 05:19 PM, Patrick Horgan wrote: 1) You press TAB 2) The toolbox and dialogs disappear - good. 3) The nice big drawing surface that you sized just how you wanted it (on purpose!) resizes small and to one corner of the screen. I thought I fixed this long ago and I can't

Re: [Gimp-developer] menu back in the toolbox

2010-10-25 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 10/25/2010 09:30 PM, Tomek CEDRO wrote: Also I have some improvement idea - there is an option to save windows position - this could also obey to the toolboxes and toolbars visibility, so after GIMP is restarted only the no-window is visible and no need to press Tab key. This already fixed

Re: [Gimp-developer] menu back in the toolbox

2010-10-25 Thread Tomek CEDRO
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Martin Nordholts ense...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/25/2010 09:30 PM, Tomek CEDRO wrote: Also I have some improvement idea - there is an option to save windows position - this could also obey to the toolboxes and toolbars visibility, so after GIMP is restarted only

Re: [Gimp-developer] menu back in the toolbox

2010-10-25 Thread Alexia Death
On Monday, October 25, 2010 22:45:16 Martin Nordholts wrote: On 10/25/2010 05:19 PM, Patrick Horgan wrote: 1) You press TAB 2) The toolbox and dialogs disappear - good. 3) The nice big drawing surface that you sized just how you wanted it (on purpose!) resizes small and to one

Re: [Gimp-developer] menu back in the toolbox

2010-10-25 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 10/25/10, Alexia Death wrote: This happened to me quite recently if I worked with maximized image window. It snaps out of maximize and back into any size it was before. It happens whenever I close an image or open one too. Or it takes you to the last opened tab in single-window mode after

Re: [Gimp-developer] menu back in the toolbox

2010-10-25 Thread Patrick Horgan
On 10/25/2010 12:50 PM, Tomek CEDRO wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Martin Nordholtsense...@gmail.com wrote: This already fixed in git, the 'Windows' image menu has a 'Hide Docks' check box menu item and its state is preserved across sessions. Perfect! So it looks that you got

Re: [Gimp-developer] menu back in the toolbox

2010-10-25 Thread Patrick Horgan
On 10/25/2010 12:30 PM, Tomek CEDRO wrote: Hello Patrick, Thank you for the Tab hint. You're welcome. I have tested it a bit more and well its pretty good I must admit - I have one window, I can spread windows/images across many desktops and the toolbars are following the windows. That was

Re: [Gimp-developer] menu back in the toolbox

2010-10-25 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 10/25/2010 10:26 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On 10/25/10, Alexia Death wrote: This happened to me quite recently if I worked with maximized image window. It snaps out of maximize and back into any size it was before. It happens whenever I close an image or open one too. Or it takes

Re: [Gimp-developer] menu back in the toolbox

2010-10-24 Thread Tomek CEDRO
Hello Alexandre, On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 4:58 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: Enforcing vision is what software development is all about :) You've been using GIMP for ten years after all, you were supposed to know that :) I can see software development as making

Re: [Gimp-developer] menu back in the toolbox

2010-10-24 Thread Rob Antonishen
Well, To chip in my two cents, I want to remind you that Gimp is open source and if you want the menu there then you are free to fork and maintain a version of Gimp with the menu in. Arguing against the vision and direction already set is counterproductive at this point. Arguing that one

Re: [Gimp-developer] menu back in the toolbox

2010-10-24 Thread Tomek CEDRO
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Rob Antonishen rob.antonis...@gmail.com wrote: Well, To chip in my two cents, I want to remind you that Gimp is open source and if you want the menu there then you are free to fork and maintain a version of Gimp with the menu in. Arguing against the vision

Re: [Gimp-developer] menu back in the toolbox

2010-10-24 Thread Ofnuts
On 10/24/2010 08:49 PM, Tomek CEDRO wrote: On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Rob Antonishen rob.antonis...@gmail.com wrote: Well, To chip in my two cents, I want to remind you that Gimp is open source and if you want the menu there then you are free to fork and maintain a version of

Re: [Gimp-developer] menu back in the toolbox

2010-10-24 Thread Alexia Death
On Sunday, October 24, 2010 21:49:52 Tomek CEDRO wrote: We waste more time and energy on talking than simply fixing this issue. This is not an issue to be fixed. This is a consious decision made in the deveopment of gimp- The patch is created for 2.6, I am switching back to 2.4 then. You

Re: [Gimp-developer] menu back in the toolbox

2010-10-24 Thread yahvuu
On 24.10.2010 20:49, Tomek CEDRO wrote: OK guys, I am bad egoist[..] possibly, you can convert to being a good egoist: if you want said menu bar really that badly, perhaps you could write a plugin which implements it. The catch: you would have to create the required API for pluggable toolbox

Re: [Gimp-developer] menu back in the toolbox

2010-10-24 Thread Tomek CEDRO
Dear Alexia, On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Alexia Death alexiade...@gmail.com wrote: This is not an issue to be fixed. This is a consious decision made in the deveopment of gimp- (..) Nobody is forcing anyone to use it, but for some reason you want to. (..) And finally just a general

Re: [Gimp-developer] menu back in the toolbox

2010-10-24 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 10/24/10, Tomek CEDRO wrote: As for *ists, you got it exactly right: usabilists were involved. So, the usability theory now opposes what user think is usable because theory knows better..? Are you serious about that? Jumping at conclusions won't get you anywhere, my friend. In the new

Re: [Gimp-developer] menu back in the toolbox

2010-10-23 Thread LightningIsMyName
Hello, I have replied to your bug comment before seeing this email - sorry :P I suggested a solution to your use case there in my comment (please read it first), and I'll add some more detail here: You say that we Enforce the UI changes on the users, and as a matter of fact you are right. BUT,

Re: [Gimp-developer] menu back in the toolbox

2010-10-23 Thread Tomek CEDRO
Hello and thank you for kind reply, On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 12:48 AM, LightningIsMyName lightningismyn...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I have replied to your bug comment before seeing this email - sorry :P No problem, already replied :-) I suggested a solution to your use case there in my

Re: [Gimp-developer] menu back in the toolbox

2010-10-23 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Sun, 2010-10-24 at 02:06 +0200, Tomek CEDRO wrote: [...] 1. There is no need to remove this functionality (or any other) - the simplest solution is to connect visibility of that menu with the checkbox in the preferences menu / toolbox section. And people will turn it off by mistake, or

Re: [Gimp-developer] menu back in the toolbox

2010-10-23 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 10/23/10, Tomek CEDRO wrote: I don't understand the point of removing this menu without leaving user option to make is available again - if there are people that don't like this menu they should simply make it invisible. Why do you enforce users with your vision on what is better for them,

Re: [Gimp-developer] menu back in the toolbox

2010-10-23 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 10/24/10, Tomek CEDRO wrote: 1. There is no need to remove this functionality (or any other) - the simplest solution is to connect visibility of that menu with the checkbox in the preferences menu / toolbox section. If anyone wants to see this menu, they check the option. Option unchecked