Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection moving - is this a bug?

2007-11-06 Thread Chris Mohler
On Nov 3, 2007 1:19 AM, Martin Nordholts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Works fine fore me. Are you sure you are not just using weird Move Tool
 Options? If not, please provide more details, like size of selection
 before and after scaling and so on.


Odd - after a few days, I can't reproduce it either.  It works now -
sorry for the noise...

Chris
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Re: [Gimp-developer] selection : apologies

2006-07-07 Thread jmt
On Thursday 06 July 2006 21:48, Sven Neumann wrote:
 Hi,

 On Thu, 2006-07-06 at 11:48 +0200, jmt wrote:
  In gimp from cvs 2006-07-03, when I create a selection, I can use a tool
  like Brightness and contrast in this selection, but the tool Ajust
  colour curves is inactive.

 I can't reproduce this behaviour.


 Sven
All my fault : the preview box was not checked ... Sorry, and all my 
apologies.

jmt 
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection to brush/pattern/whatever in menus...

2004-11-14 Thread Carol Spears
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 02:41:41PM -0800, miriam clinton (iriXx) wrote:
 Carol Spears wrote:

hi, i am really glad that you stuck with this list.  since making this
excellent decision, might i direct you to this document:
http://www.gimp.org/mail_lists.html and ask that you at least strip the
mail the way they ask.  they ask me to improve my hardware to work with
them, but there are or could be people who are reading this list who
store the mails or what have you where size is important.

 you took classes on how to use this software?  or self-educated?
 
 Oh and yes, for the record, I picked these tools up and used them - my 
 mother was a painter, not a graphic designer. I learnt the tools in 
 about 30mins.
 
 Compared to the GIMP which I still havent got my head around hence 
 my wanting to contribute - better to contribute than to whinge!
 
this is very nice.  i dont think that it answered my question though.
very nice to be raised in a loving environment with access to many tools
and such.  gimp was developed by people of all sorts.  some had this
sort of upbringing and access and some didnt.  congratulations to you
for deserving all this or whatever.

my question, and i could have been more specific, was more about the
software you use and the computer you use it on.  classes in
adobe/macromedia and experience with preinstalled operating systems is
what i was looking for exactly.

software will never be simple enough for people who need formal training
in it.  operating systems are difficult to install.  i hear complaints
from anyone who needs to install any operating system.  i really am
trying to determine if this is the case with you.  if you are used to
macintosh, there is a chance that you are used to having everything
installed for you and TheGIMP and its fellow free apps might always be
out of your grasp.

none of this is personal.  access is a nice thing.  not having access
and being able to get this stuff free and legal like is another thing.
both are blessings or gifts from life?

direct questions:
did you have classes in using the software you are comfortable with?
pay for books or tutoring?

have you even been able to install an operating system on a computer you
are in charge of?

thanks,
carol

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection to brush/pattern/whatever in menus...

2004-11-12 Thread miriam clinton (iriXx)
Jakub Friedl (lists) wrote:

please use Win 98 or XP if you have to use Windows, but not ME. It is
the worst system from Microsoft available.
 

I'm testing on both Win ME (forced to by a proprietary laptop) and XP. 
XP has a nice widget set. But a designer - a vanilla designer, not a 
programmer-designer like yourself, wouldnt have a clue what a widget is

mC~
 


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection to brush/pattern/whatever in menus...

2004-11-12 Thread Carol Spears
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 02:41:05AM -0800, miriam clinton (iriXx) wrote:
 Carol Spears wrote:
 
 On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 11:17:20AM -0800, miriam clinton (iriXx) wrote:
  
 
 just to clarify - i'm here contributing from the point of view of a 
 professional graphic designer, considering the mainstream 
 Adobe/Macromedia market who would have never used GIMP, and how we can 
 'convert them over' gets off evangelistic soapbox/. This market are of 
 the 'pick it up and use it' intuitive designers - they will reject at 
 sight anything that requires coding, or obscure menus.
 

 
 have them hire someone who knows gimp for the same income.  have them,
 at the end of the year, tally up how much each employee actually costed
 and compare it to their ability to produce actual results and know where
 all of the pieces came from.
 
 i think we will fail in selling this to people who need their employers
 to provide very much cushiony stuff for them and then they dont really
 know that much once this is all said and done.
 
 we should talk to their employers instead.
 
 who employes you?
 
 carol
  
 
 
 I'm freelance, have worked for a variety of companies in temporary 
 contracts or purely freelance (I value my independence, and owning my 
 own company).
 
 I would say it would take me at least double or triple time to produce a 
 website in GIMP comparable to the industry-standard websites I produce 
 using a combination of Fireworks/Photoshop/Dreamweaver.
 

you took classes on how to use this software?  or self-educated?

carol

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection to brush/pattern/whatever in menus...

2004-11-12 Thread miriam clinton (iriXx)
Carol Spears wrote:
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 02:41:05AM -0800, miriam clinton (iriXx) wrote:
 



 

I'm freelance, have worked for a variety of companies in temporary 
contracts or purely freelance (I value my independence, and owning my 
own company).

I would say it would take me at least double or triple time to produce a 
website in GIMP comparable to the industry-standard websites I produce 
using a combination of Fireworks/Photoshop/Dreamweaver.

   

you took classes on how to use this software?  or self-educated?
carol
 

Oh and yes, for the record, I picked these tools up and used them - my 
mother was a painter, not a graphic designer. I learnt the tools in 
about 30mins.

Compared to the GIMP which I still havent got my head around hence 
my wanting to contribute - better to contribute than to whinge!

mC~
 


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection to brush/pattern/whatever in menus...

2004-11-12 Thread miriam clinton (iriXx)
Carol Spears wrote:
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 02:41:05AM -0800, miriam clinton (iriXx) wrote:
 

Carol Spears wrote:
   

On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 11:17:20AM -0800, miriam clinton (iriXx) wrote:
 

just to clarify - i'm here contributing from the point of view of a 
professional graphic designer, considering the mainstream 
Adobe/Macromedia market who would have never used GIMP, and how we can 
'convert them over' gets off evangelistic soapbox/. This market are of 
the 'pick it up and use it' intuitive designers - they will reject at 
sight anything that requires coding, or obscure menus.

 

   

have them hire someone who knows gimp for the same income.  have them,
at the end of the year, tally up how much each employee actually costed
and compare it to their ability to produce actual results and know where
all of the pieces came from.
i think we will fail in selling this to people who need their employers
to provide very much cushiony stuff for them and then they dont really
know that much once this is all said and done.
we should talk to their employers instead.
who employes you?
carol
 

I'm freelance, have worked for a variety of companies in temporary 
contracts or purely freelance (I value my independence, and owning my 
own company).

I would say it would take me at least double or triple time to produce a 
website in GIMP comparable to the industry-standard websites I produce 
using a combination of Fireworks/Photoshop/Dreamweaver.

   

you took classes on how to use this software?  or self-educated?
carol
 

Home-educated by a mother who did a degree in Fine Arts and taught for 
~10 years. Don't worry, i'm an awful lot older than a kid now.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection to brush/pattern/whatever in menus...

2004-11-11 Thread Jakub Friedl (lists)
 Script-Fu is totally incomprehensible to graphic designers
 
it depends. i am a fluent script-fu speaker for example.
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[Offtopic] Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection to brush/pattern/whatever in menus...

2004-11-11 Thread Alan Horkan

(sorry for all the offtopic comments about inkscape)

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, miriam clinton (iriXx) wrote:

 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:17:20 -0800
 From: miriam clinton (iriXx) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Jakub Friedl (lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection to brush/pattern/whatever in
 menus...

 just to clarify - i'm here contributing from the point of view of a
 professional graphic designer, considering the mainstream
 Adobe/Macromedia market who would have never used GIMP, and how we can
 'convert them over' gets off evangelistic soapbox/. This market are of
 the 'pick it up and use it' intuitive designers - they will reject at
 sight anything that requires coding, or obscure menus.

I think this is very understandable.
I'm a big fan of the Plugin Browser as it makes it easier to find out what
is where in the menus, but to learn the gimp you still really need to work
your way through and do your best to try everything (I'm still learning).

I have been switching between Adobe Photoshop quite a bit recently and to
make it easier for me to learn to use it (and have a marketable skill) I
have switch my copy of the gimp to use the psmenurc which provides
Photoshop like keybindings for menu items.  (apologies if I have suggested
this to you before but I think it is always worth mentioning to new users
already familiar with Photoshop)

 testing this morning the latest version i found it incredibly difficult
 just to apply a drop-shadow to text or objects - which is an absolute
 essential. i can't understand why this is hidden in Script-Fu - then

Developers tend to organise things by how they were made, what programming
language was used but I think it is now generally accepted that it makes
more sense to group menu items by what they do and some progress is being
made but it is difficult to come up with a coherent plan because it is
something that would be better changed in one go rather than incrementally
to reduce any potential confusion for existing users.

This report goes some way to coming up with a plan
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116145

and this wiki page contains other ideas
http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/GimpMenuReorganization

(I think renaming Filters to Effects is more trouble than it is worth, but
we'll see what happens after gimp 2.2).

 once you try to make a selection it has to run through all of them - i'm
 testing on Win XP as the majority of users will be Windows or Mac - will

I'd be surprised if the number of non-Windows gimp users didn't come close
to or exceed the number of windows users, download statistics might
provide some indications but that wouldn't cover the fact that the gimp is
the defacto standard for graphics on Linux (wherease on windows there is
mspaint (yes I'm absolutely serious).

You have already explained the point of view you are coming from but I
think that it is important to remember that the gimp is probably used
occassionally by many users as oppossed to Adobe Photoshop which would be
used heavily (almost exlusively) by graphic designers.  If anything it
makes it even more important that the gimp should be easy to use.

 test on GNU/Linux once i have the disk space. that has issues of its own
 - graphic designers cannot compile. nor do they understand libraries

There are various Live CDs which I would happily recommend, I
first tried gimp 2.0 on Knoppix.

Other Live CDs that run Gnome by default include
the Ubuntu Live CD and the Java Desktop System Live CD from Sun
Microsystems http://jdshelp.org/ (although unfortunately it is too popular
for its own good at the moment).

 (Sodipodi failed on me this morning because of a missing dll, and a
 designer without experience of code (i have some limited experience)
 would have no idea how to correct this.

 the Script-Fu dialog comes up behind the image, instead of in the
 regular toolbox - which makes it impossible to find - for quite a while
 i thought the effect wasnt going to happen at all. after that i had the
 strange experience of hitting cancel a million times to find the
 selection I wanted.

 Layers and layer effects are working very nicely though and are intuitive.

 On the whole, I'm finding it much easier to use than before - my
 comments may seem harsh but have to be seen in context from my first
 humble appearance on the list - i'm kinda bug-testing from a
 professional designer's point of view.

I think the professional designers are going to be almost impossible to
get to switch but it might be possible to convince them to also use the
gimp in addition to their existing software if migration is made easier
and there are a few things that the gimp does much better than other
software.

The difficulty of getting them to switch completely is compounded by their
requirement to support their library of exisiting files in a proprietary
format, and their collections of brushes and scripts that are difficult to
convert.  It is better to completely

Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection to brush/pattern/whatever in menus...

2004-11-11 Thread Alan Horkan


Miriam

 okay... since i'm in the Hotel California where you can check in but
 never check out

Sorry that the you were unable to unsubscribe, I have no idea why the
unsubscribe system didn't work for you but I'm pretty sure the developers
were joking and that if you are still unable to unsubscribe having done
your best to try the various methods available that they would be willing
to take you off the list but I hope you will volutarily stick around a
little longer.

 Is it possible to design a GUI implementation of the same script? The
 Select-To sounds good but its gotta be a short menu - preferably within
 the Brush palette itself... thats where we'd think to look for it...

I'm not sure you realise there already is a script under
Script-Fu/Selection/To Brush...

which will take the contents of the current selection, ask you to give
it a name and then save it to the brushes folder.

 Script-Fu is totally incomprehensible to graphic designers

Not just graphic designers :)

Scheme is an 'interesting' programming language but it sort of has its
charms if and when you can eventually figure it out.
I'd still like an automatic script recorder though.

- Alan H.
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[carol: Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection to brush/pattern/whatever in menus...]

2004-11-11 Thread Carol Spears
On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 11:17:20AM -0800, miriam clinton (iriXx) wrote:
 just to clarify - i'm here contributing from the point of view of a 
 professional graphic designer, considering the mainstream 
 Adobe/Macromedia market who would have never used GIMP, and how we can 
 'convert them over' gets off evangelistic soapbox/. This market are of 
 the 'pick it up and use it' intuitive designers - they will reject at 
 sight anything that requires coding, or obscure menus.
 
have them hire someone who knows gimp for the same income.  have them,
at the end of the year, tally up how much each employee actually costed
and compare it to their ability to produce actual results and know where
all of the pieces came from.

i think we will fail in selling this to people who need their employers
to provide very much cushiony stuff for them and then they dont really
know that much once this is all said and done.

we should talk to their employers instead.

who employes you?

carol


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection to brush/pattern/whatever in menus...

2004-11-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

] The natural place for a user to look would be 
] within the brushes dialog.
]
]Huh? If you wanted to use the current image or part of it as a brush,
]you would look in the Brushes dialog? Seriously?
]

Seriously:

That's where brushes are managed.
That's where they're deleted.
That's where they're chosen.
That's where they're created from scratch.
That's where they're edited.
That's where someone looking for a brush that doesn't 
quite match anything already there would like to see 
an option to make something different. 
Brush editor is there (where it belongs).
Brush editor is the only other tool that creates brushes.
Other methods of creating brushes should be available from 
the same place.

Or maybe it's just too hard to put it there?



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Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection to brush/pattern/whatever in menus...

2004-11-09 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Popolon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 The menu Select could have an organisation for these conversions as:

 Select-To...-[Brush/Channel/Image/Path/Pattern/...]

 to avoid a to long Select menu.

 and a 'Selection To Brush/Pattern' button could be in brush/Pattern
 windows, as there is 'Selection to Path' button in Path window.

Yes, the plan's to move the scripts out of the script-fu menu into the
places they belong to. What's missing here though is a better menu
registration functionality in Script-Fu. Kevin wanted to add a bug
report about this. Basically we need to be able to register Script-Fus
into the common menu hierarchy without breaking internationalization.
What needs to be done here is do the same change we did for plug-ins
and introduce a function similar to gimp_plugin_menu_register() to
Script-Fu and Tiny-Fu.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection tools

2003-12-30 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On 30 Dec 2003 17:17:33 +0100, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Juhana Sadeharju [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Here is an alternative rectangle selection tool:
[...] 
 The point is that you misunderstood what a selection is. A selection
 is a mask holding a selection value between 0 and 255 for each pixel
 in the image. What you see on the GIMP canvas is just the selection
 border, a line draw along the pixels that are 50% selected. Now if you
 create a rectangular selection, you alter the selection mask so that
 it looks like a rectangle. The information about the corner points of
 the rectangle is not stored anywhere.  That's why you cannot edit the
 selection the way you suggested.

From my point of view, the fact that the information about the corner
points of the rectangle is not stored anywhere is an internal
implementation detail that most users should not have to care about.
This is something that we could change later.

For example, take a look at this enhancement proposal from jwz, and
especially the comment from Simon:
  http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91934
The shape of the selection could remain editable until the user
chooses to apply it.  This would be even more useful for ellipses
than for rectangles.  And as Simon mentioned in his comment, this
could even improve the usability of the selection tools for GIMP
beginners.

Anyway, as there is already a bug report about how to improve the
selection tools, I suggest that Juhana takes a look at it.

-Raphaël
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