Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection moving - is this a bug?
On Nov 3, 2007 1:19 AM, Martin Nordholts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Works fine fore me. Are you sure you are not just using weird Move Tool Options? If not, please provide more details, like size of selection before and after scaling and so on. Odd - after a few days, I can't reproduce it either. It works now - sorry for the noise... Chris ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] selection : apologies
On Thursday 06 July 2006 21:48, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, On Thu, 2006-07-06 at 11:48 +0200, jmt wrote: In gimp from cvs 2006-07-03, when I create a selection, I can use a tool like Brightness and contrast in this selection, but the tool Ajust colour curves is inactive. I can't reproduce this behaviour. Sven All my fault : the preview box was not checked ... Sorry, and all my apologies. jmt ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection to brush/pattern/whatever in menus...
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 02:41:41PM -0800, miriam clinton (iriXx) wrote: Carol Spears wrote: hi, i am really glad that you stuck with this list. since making this excellent decision, might i direct you to this document: http://www.gimp.org/mail_lists.html and ask that you at least strip the mail the way they ask. they ask me to improve my hardware to work with them, but there are or could be people who are reading this list who store the mails or what have you where size is important. you took classes on how to use this software? or self-educated? Oh and yes, for the record, I picked these tools up and used them - my mother was a painter, not a graphic designer. I learnt the tools in about 30mins. Compared to the GIMP which I still havent got my head around hence my wanting to contribute - better to contribute than to whinge! this is very nice. i dont think that it answered my question though. very nice to be raised in a loving environment with access to many tools and such. gimp was developed by people of all sorts. some had this sort of upbringing and access and some didnt. congratulations to you for deserving all this or whatever. my question, and i could have been more specific, was more about the software you use and the computer you use it on. classes in adobe/macromedia and experience with preinstalled operating systems is what i was looking for exactly. software will never be simple enough for people who need formal training in it. operating systems are difficult to install. i hear complaints from anyone who needs to install any operating system. i really am trying to determine if this is the case with you. if you are used to macintosh, there is a chance that you are used to having everything installed for you and TheGIMP and its fellow free apps might always be out of your grasp. none of this is personal. access is a nice thing. not having access and being able to get this stuff free and legal like is another thing. both are blessings or gifts from life? direct questions: did you have classes in using the software you are comfortable with? pay for books or tutoring? have you even been able to install an operating system on a computer you are in charge of? thanks, carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection to brush/pattern/whatever in menus...
Jakub Friedl (lists) wrote: please use Win 98 or XP if you have to use Windows, but not ME. It is the worst system from Microsoft available. I'm testing on both Win ME (forced to by a proprietary laptop) and XP. XP has a nice widget set. But a designer - a vanilla designer, not a programmer-designer like yourself, wouldnt have a clue what a widget is mC~ -- 99% of aliens prefer Earth --Eminem www.iriXx.org www.copyleftmedia.org.uk ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection to brush/pattern/whatever in menus...
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 02:41:05AM -0800, miriam clinton (iriXx) wrote: Carol Spears wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 11:17:20AM -0800, miriam clinton (iriXx) wrote: just to clarify - i'm here contributing from the point of view of a professional graphic designer, considering the mainstream Adobe/Macromedia market who would have never used GIMP, and how we can 'convert them over' gets off evangelistic soapbox/. This market are of the 'pick it up and use it' intuitive designers - they will reject at sight anything that requires coding, or obscure menus. have them hire someone who knows gimp for the same income. have them, at the end of the year, tally up how much each employee actually costed and compare it to their ability to produce actual results and know where all of the pieces came from. i think we will fail in selling this to people who need their employers to provide very much cushiony stuff for them and then they dont really know that much once this is all said and done. we should talk to their employers instead. who employes you? carol I'm freelance, have worked for a variety of companies in temporary contracts or purely freelance (I value my independence, and owning my own company). I would say it would take me at least double or triple time to produce a website in GIMP comparable to the industry-standard websites I produce using a combination of Fireworks/Photoshop/Dreamweaver. you took classes on how to use this software? or self-educated? carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection to brush/pattern/whatever in menus...
Carol Spears wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 02:41:05AM -0800, miriam clinton (iriXx) wrote: I'm freelance, have worked for a variety of companies in temporary contracts or purely freelance (I value my independence, and owning my own company). I would say it would take me at least double or triple time to produce a website in GIMP comparable to the industry-standard websites I produce using a combination of Fireworks/Photoshop/Dreamweaver. you took classes on how to use this software? or self-educated? carol Oh and yes, for the record, I picked these tools up and used them - my mother was a painter, not a graphic designer. I learnt the tools in about 30mins. Compared to the GIMP which I still havent got my head around hence my wanting to contribute - better to contribute than to whinge! mC~ -- 99% of aliens prefer Earth --Eminem www.iriXx.org www.copyleftmedia.org.uk ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection to brush/pattern/whatever in menus...
Carol Spears wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 02:41:05AM -0800, miriam clinton (iriXx) wrote: Carol Spears wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 11:17:20AM -0800, miriam clinton (iriXx) wrote: just to clarify - i'm here contributing from the point of view of a professional graphic designer, considering the mainstream Adobe/Macromedia market who would have never used GIMP, and how we can 'convert them over' gets off evangelistic soapbox/. This market are of the 'pick it up and use it' intuitive designers - they will reject at sight anything that requires coding, or obscure menus. have them hire someone who knows gimp for the same income. have them, at the end of the year, tally up how much each employee actually costed and compare it to their ability to produce actual results and know where all of the pieces came from. i think we will fail in selling this to people who need their employers to provide very much cushiony stuff for them and then they dont really know that much once this is all said and done. we should talk to their employers instead. who employes you? carol I'm freelance, have worked for a variety of companies in temporary contracts or purely freelance (I value my independence, and owning my own company). I would say it would take me at least double or triple time to produce a website in GIMP comparable to the industry-standard websites I produce using a combination of Fireworks/Photoshop/Dreamweaver. you took classes on how to use this software? or self-educated? carol Home-educated by a mother who did a degree in Fine Arts and taught for ~10 years. Don't worry, i'm an awful lot older than a kid now. mC~ -- 99% of aliens prefer Earth --Eminem www.iriXx.org www.copyleftmedia.org.uk ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection to brush/pattern/whatever in menus...
Script-Fu is totally incomprehensible to graphic designers it depends. i am a fluent script-fu speaker for example. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Offtopic] Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection to brush/pattern/whatever in menus...
(sorry for all the offtopic comments about inkscape) On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, miriam clinton (iriXx) wrote: Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:17:20 -0800 From: miriam clinton (iriXx) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakub Friedl (lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection to brush/pattern/whatever in menus... just to clarify - i'm here contributing from the point of view of a professional graphic designer, considering the mainstream Adobe/Macromedia market who would have never used GIMP, and how we can 'convert them over' gets off evangelistic soapbox/. This market are of the 'pick it up and use it' intuitive designers - they will reject at sight anything that requires coding, or obscure menus. I think this is very understandable. I'm a big fan of the Plugin Browser as it makes it easier to find out what is where in the menus, but to learn the gimp you still really need to work your way through and do your best to try everything (I'm still learning). I have been switching between Adobe Photoshop quite a bit recently and to make it easier for me to learn to use it (and have a marketable skill) I have switch my copy of the gimp to use the psmenurc which provides Photoshop like keybindings for menu items. (apologies if I have suggested this to you before but I think it is always worth mentioning to new users already familiar with Photoshop) testing this morning the latest version i found it incredibly difficult just to apply a drop-shadow to text or objects - which is an absolute essential. i can't understand why this is hidden in Script-Fu - then Developers tend to organise things by how they were made, what programming language was used but I think it is now generally accepted that it makes more sense to group menu items by what they do and some progress is being made but it is difficult to come up with a coherent plan because it is something that would be better changed in one go rather than incrementally to reduce any potential confusion for existing users. This report goes some way to coming up with a plan http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116145 and this wiki page contains other ideas http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/GimpMenuReorganization (I think renaming Filters to Effects is more trouble than it is worth, but we'll see what happens after gimp 2.2). once you try to make a selection it has to run through all of them - i'm testing on Win XP as the majority of users will be Windows or Mac - will I'd be surprised if the number of non-Windows gimp users didn't come close to or exceed the number of windows users, download statistics might provide some indications but that wouldn't cover the fact that the gimp is the defacto standard for graphics on Linux (wherease on windows there is mspaint (yes I'm absolutely serious). You have already explained the point of view you are coming from but I think that it is important to remember that the gimp is probably used occassionally by many users as oppossed to Adobe Photoshop which would be used heavily (almost exlusively) by graphic designers. If anything it makes it even more important that the gimp should be easy to use. test on GNU/Linux once i have the disk space. that has issues of its own - graphic designers cannot compile. nor do they understand libraries There are various Live CDs which I would happily recommend, I first tried gimp 2.0 on Knoppix. Other Live CDs that run Gnome by default include the Ubuntu Live CD and the Java Desktop System Live CD from Sun Microsystems http://jdshelp.org/ (although unfortunately it is too popular for its own good at the moment). (Sodipodi failed on me this morning because of a missing dll, and a designer without experience of code (i have some limited experience) would have no idea how to correct this. the Script-Fu dialog comes up behind the image, instead of in the regular toolbox - which makes it impossible to find - for quite a while i thought the effect wasnt going to happen at all. after that i had the strange experience of hitting cancel a million times to find the selection I wanted. Layers and layer effects are working very nicely though and are intuitive. On the whole, I'm finding it much easier to use than before - my comments may seem harsh but have to be seen in context from my first humble appearance on the list - i'm kinda bug-testing from a professional designer's point of view. I think the professional designers are going to be almost impossible to get to switch but it might be possible to convince them to also use the gimp in addition to their existing software if migration is made easier and there are a few things that the gimp does much better than other software. The difficulty of getting them to switch completely is compounded by their requirement to support their library of exisiting files in a proprietary format, and their collections of brushes and scripts that are difficult to convert. It is better to completely
Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection to brush/pattern/whatever in menus...
Miriam okay... since i'm in the Hotel California where you can check in but never check out Sorry that the you were unable to unsubscribe, I have no idea why the unsubscribe system didn't work for you but I'm pretty sure the developers were joking and that if you are still unable to unsubscribe having done your best to try the various methods available that they would be willing to take you off the list but I hope you will volutarily stick around a little longer. Is it possible to design a GUI implementation of the same script? The Select-To sounds good but its gotta be a short menu - preferably within the Brush palette itself... thats where we'd think to look for it... I'm not sure you realise there already is a script under Script-Fu/Selection/To Brush... which will take the contents of the current selection, ask you to give it a name and then save it to the brushes folder. Script-Fu is totally incomprehensible to graphic designers Not just graphic designers :) Scheme is an 'interesting' programming language but it sort of has its charms if and when you can eventually figure it out. I'd still like an automatic script recorder though. - Alan H. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[carol: Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection to brush/pattern/whatever in menus...]
On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 11:17:20AM -0800, miriam clinton (iriXx) wrote: just to clarify - i'm here contributing from the point of view of a professional graphic designer, considering the mainstream Adobe/Macromedia market who would have never used GIMP, and how we can 'convert them over' gets off evangelistic soapbox/. This market are of the 'pick it up and use it' intuitive designers - they will reject at sight anything that requires coding, or obscure menus. have them hire someone who knows gimp for the same income. have them, at the end of the year, tally up how much each employee actually costed and compare it to their ability to produce actual results and know where all of the pieces came from. i think we will fail in selling this to people who need their employers to provide very much cushiony stuff for them and then they dont really know that much once this is all said and done. we should talk to their employers instead. who employes you? carol - End forwarded message - ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection to brush/pattern/whatever in menus...
] The natural place for a user to look would be ] within the brushes dialog. ] ]Huh? If you wanted to use the current image or part of it as a brush, ]you would look in the Brushes dialog? Seriously? ] Seriously: That's where brushes are managed. That's where they're deleted. That's where they're chosen. That's where they're created from scratch. That's where they're edited. That's where someone looking for a brush that doesn't quite match anything already there would like to see an option to make something different. Brush editor is there (where it belongs). Brush editor is the only other tool that creates brushes. Other methods of creating brushes should be available from the same place. Or maybe it's just too hard to put it there? Juno Platinum $9.95. Juno SpeedBand $14.95. Sign up for Juno Today at http://www.juno.com! Look for special offers at Best Buy stores. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection to brush/pattern/whatever in menus...
Hi, Popolon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The menu Select could have an organisation for these conversions as: Select-To...-[Brush/Channel/Image/Path/Pattern/...] to avoid a to long Select menu. and a 'Selection To Brush/Pattern' button could be in brush/Pattern windows, as there is 'Selection to Path' button in Path window. Yes, the plan's to move the scripts out of the script-fu menu into the places they belong to. What's missing here though is a better menu registration functionality in Script-Fu. Kevin wanted to add a bug report about this. Basically we need to be able to register Script-Fus into the common menu hierarchy without breaking internationalization. What needs to be done here is do the same change we did for plug-ins and introduce a function similar to gimp_plugin_menu_register() to Script-Fu and Tiny-Fu. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Selection tools
On 30 Dec 2003 17:17:33 +0100, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Juhana Sadeharju [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here is an alternative rectangle selection tool: [...] The point is that you misunderstood what a selection is. A selection is a mask holding a selection value between 0 and 255 for each pixel in the image. What you see on the GIMP canvas is just the selection border, a line draw along the pixels that are 50% selected. Now if you create a rectangular selection, you alter the selection mask so that it looks like a rectangle. The information about the corner points of the rectangle is not stored anywhere. That's why you cannot edit the selection the way you suggested. From my point of view, the fact that the information about the corner points of the rectangle is not stored anywhere is an internal implementation detail that most users should not have to care about. This is something that we could change later. For example, take a look at this enhancement proposal from jwz, and especially the comment from Simon: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91934 The shape of the selection could remain editable until the user chooses to apply it. This would be even more useful for ellipses than for rectangles. And as Simon mentioned in his comment, this could even improve the usability of the selection tools for GIMP beginners. Anyway, as there is already a bug report about how to improve the selection tools, I suggest that Juhana takes a look at it. -Raphaël ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer