Re: [Gimp-developer] support for the PSD

2006-03-03 Thread Alan Horkan

On Fri, 3 Mar 2006, Florent Monnier wrote:

 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 17:27:30 +0100
 From: Florent Monnier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu
 Subject: [Gimp-developer] support for the PSD

  It is somewhat futile to point out that support for the PSD format
  needs to be improved. We know that. We know that for several years
  now. We simply need someone who invests the time to improve it. No
  need to convince anyone that it is a good idea.

 rather than doing this job in the gimp, what would you think about
 extract the current related code to initialize the project of a lib for
 reading psd?

 just an idea...
 ... perhaps more people would be able to get in this projet this way

Still faces of the problem of finding a developer interested in working on
it.  I wouldn't even know where to start.

- Alan
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Re: [Gimp-developer] support for the PSD

2006-03-03 Thread Florent Monnier
   It is somewhat futile to point out that support for the PSD format
   needs to be improved. We know that. We know that for several years
   now. We simply need someone who invests the time to improve it. No
   need to convince anyone that it is a good idea.
 
  rather than doing this job in the gimp, what would you think about
  extract the current related code to initialize the project of a lib for
  reading psd?
 
  just an idea...
  ... perhaps more people would be able to get in this projet this way

 Still faces of the problem of finding a developer interested in working on
 it.  I wouldn't even know where to start.

Do you mean that extracting this code would be hard or long to do?
Or that starting a new project requires work?


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Re: [Gimp-developer] support for the PSD

2006-03-03 Thread Boudewijn Rempt
On Friday 03 March 2006 22:41, Florent Monnier wrote:
It is somewhat futile to point out that support for the PSD format
needs to be improved. We know that. We know that for several years
now. We simply need someone who invests the time to improve it. No
need to convince anyone that it is a good idea.
  
   rather than doing this job in the gimp, what would you think about
   extract the current related code to initialize the project of a lib for
   reading psd?
  
   just an idea...
   ... perhaps more people would be able to get in this projet this way
 
  Still faces of the problem of finding a developer interested in working
  on it.  I wouldn't even know where to start.

 Do you mean that extracting this code would be hard or long to do?
 Or that starting a new project requires work?

The big problem with writing a support library for photoshop files is not that 
it's hard to do -- it's a moderate amount of work, and then some because the 
public specs aren't complete, but the real problem is that there's nothing 
public beyond version 6; everything after is closed and forbidden. It's 
better to spend time getting something together that's open, extensible and 
fits in with the emerging open document landscape. 

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Re: [Gimp-developer] support for the PSD

2006-03-03 Thread Bart


Reaching PS6 compatibility would such a great goal. I know a lot of 
creatives using just PS6 or 7 and i can't renember that any of them has 
problems about reading files of newer version like CS1 or CS2.
My self getting a legal version of PS6 at work and didn't get any 
problems neither.


A standard that is always activated in the PS preferences is Always 
maximize Compatibility for Phtotshop files and i do not no anybody that 
deactivating that.


I personal believe that there is no real change of the file format since 
PSD 6.0. The fact that Adobe does not publish the PS6 SDK (which 
includes the file format informations) anymore is a hint for that.


BTW the SDK is available on other sites on the net i posted the url at 
the beginning of that thread. This SDK includes sample code too and 
requires windows.



Boudewijn Rempt schrieb:

On Friday 03 March 2006 22:41, Florent Monnier wrote:

It is somewhat futile to point out that support for the PSD format
needs to be improved. We know that. We know that for several years
now. We simply need someone who invests the time to improve it. No
need to convince anyone that it is a good idea.

rather than doing this job in the gimp, what would you think about
extract the current related code to initialize the project of a lib for
reading psd?

just an idea...
... perhaps more people would be able to get in this projet this way

Still faces of the problem of finding a developer interested in working
on it.  I wouldn't even know where to start.

Do you mean that extracting this code would be hard or long to do?
Or that starting a new project requires work?


The big problem with writing a support library for photoshop files is not that 
it's hard to do -- it's a moderate amount of work, and then some because the 
public specs aren't complete, but the real problem is that there's nothing 
public beyond version 6; everything after is closed and forbidden. It's 
better to spend time getting something together that's open, extensible and 
fits in with the emerging open document landscape. 






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Re: [Gimp-developer] support for the PSD

2006-03-03 Thread Tor Lillqvist
Bart writes:
  BTW the SDK is available on other sites on the net i posted the url at 
  the beginning of that thread.

Surely you aren't suggesting that we should use illegally (well,
against its license anyway) redistributed copies of the PS6 SDK to
improve the psd plug-in? That would be very unethical and also greatly
increase the risk of attacks from Adobe's lawyers.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] support for the PSD

2006-03-03 Thread Bart


Mhm, good point, seems you are right. So the legal way could be bying a 
legal 2nd hand version of PS6 for the developer that develops the PSD 
support.
A PS6 version at ebay is about 40,- euro (new) so if there would be a 
active gimp developer that would do that no problem sponsor this package 
so he can get the informations on a legal way.


Tor Lillqvist schrieb:

Bart writes:
  BTW the SDK is available on other sites on the net i posted the url at 
  the beginning of that thread.


Surely you aren't suggesting that we should use illegally (well,
against its license anyway) redistributed copies of the PS6 SDK to
improve the psd plug-in? That would be very unethical and also greatly
increase the risk of attacks from Adobe's lawyers.

--tml





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Re: [Gimp-developer] support for the PSD

2006-03-03 Thread Michael Schumacher
Bart wrote:

 A PS6 version at ebay is about 40,- euro (new)

It would be difficult to find one that isn't just a pirated copy, though :)


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Re: [Gimp-developer] support for the PSD

2006-03-03 Thread Bart


Ok, maybe not using ebay buy a legal PS6 (i renembered that where a lot 
of PS6 clones called OEM but there was never a PS6 OEM version) but i'm 
sure i know somebody have a 100% legal version of photoshop and sponsor 
it to the gimp development.


Michael Schumacher schrieb:

Bart wrote:


A PS6 version at ebay is about 40,- euro (new)


It would be difficult to find one that isn't just a pirated copy, though :)


HTH,
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Re: [Gimp-developer] support for the PSD

2006-03-03 Thread Bart


ok, a 100% legal copy from a correct dealer is about 60,- euro.

Michael Schumacher schrieb:

Bart wrote:


A PS6 version at ebay is about 40,- euro (new)


It would be difficult to find one that isn't just a pirated copy, though :)


HTH,
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