Re: [Gimp-developer] the expanding gimp web

2005-11-05 Thread michael chang
On 11/4/05, Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 09:28:05PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote:
  Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   there are a few new gimp.org web sites lately.  i have been playing with
   the software available from planet.org and the results have been almost
   instant.
  
 
  Very nice. I am not sure how useful it is to have different
  aggregators for developers and users but we will see. What I am
  missing is a note on the individual sites explaining what feeds they
  are collecting and perhaps links to the other aggregators?

 i considered what sort of collections of blogs i would find useful.  i
 also considered what could happen if only a small fraction of the gimp
 users added their blog to the feed.  the developers would be lost.  if
 there was only one feed, the news would get lost as well.

 i agree that some explanation would help, i got a little confused myself
 by the gimp object scheme this week while making them.  after a short
 break in working with them, i will see what i can do about adding a
 little more information.

Quite nice, the clean interface makes it easy on the eyes, and it
looks like it'll break down nicely if someone's using a console-based
browser (e.g. Lynx).

Since it's already set up like that, I don't know if you want to
change it, but maybe a unified header + description at the top,
followed by a selection for Layers | Pixels | Paths would be
interesting... http://blogs.gimp.org/layers,
http://blogs.gimp.org/pixels, and http://blogs.gimp.org/paths URIs
would make sense (although that's less creative, i suppose, than your
current offerings).  If you did do something like that,
http://blogs.gimp.org would maybe also have the same main header as on
the above three sites, and then split the three aggregated feeds into
individual columns with mini-headers... maybe similar to the column
layout at http://www.google.com/ig (except not so interactive and
messy...)... each column would be headed b the individual Layers,
Pixels and Paths blogs headings respectively.

Hopefully the suggestion sounds clear... and maybe it's something
worth considering, but take it with a grain of salt.  I won't be
offended if you don't like it.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] the expanding gimp web

2005-11-05 Thread Carol Spears
On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 04:33:08PM +, michael chang wrote:
 On 11/4/05, Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  i considered what sort of collections of blogs i would find useful.  i
  also considered what could happen if only a small fraction of the gimp
  users added their blog to the feed.  the developers would be lost.  if
  there was only one feed, the news would get lost as well.
 
  i agree that some explanation would help, i got a little confused myself
  by the gimp object scheme this week while making them.  after a short
  break in working with them, i will see what i can do about adding a
  little more information.
 
 Quite nice, the clean interface makes it easy on the eyes, and it
 looks like it'll break down nicely if someone's using a console-based
 browser (e.g. Lynx).
 
thank you.  the very first thing they did when i showed my first gimp
web site on the irc was to try it in lynx.  this is a fact for anyone
trying to design a gimp web site.

 Since it's already set up like that, I don't know if you want to
 change it, but maybe a unified header + description at the top,
 followed by a selection for Layers | Pixels | Paths would be
 interesting... http://blogs.gimp.org/layers,
 http://blogs.gimp.org/pixels, and http://blogs.gimp.org/paths URIs
 would make sense (although that's less creative, i suppose, than your
 current offerings).  If you did do something like that,
 http://blogs.gimp.org would maybe also have the same main header as on
 the above three sites, and then split the three aggregated feeds into
 individual columns with mini-headers... maybe similar to the column
 layout at http://www.google.com/ig (except not so interactive and
 messy...)... each column would be headed b the individual Layers,
 Pixels and Paths blogs headings respectively.
 
one of my irc friends (i always forget that he is one of the people who
actually does the work running the gnome computers -- that kind of
friend, they are great to make and a rare human who is a friend more
than a superhuman ruler of an actual internet domain) does not like the
word blog.  he said that he doesn't mind the idea of it but would prefer
that people call them web journals or web logs.

the planet software suggests the word planet.  it is implied that the
planets show developer web logs.  i almost missed this implication and
called the user aggregation a planet.  there are a bunch of planets
already.

blogs.gimp.org -- what if the gimp computers started to have more than
just me on the computer with a blog?

two thoughts about putting the feeds all on one page.  1) is that
useful? and 2) gimp is making new images for two of them everyday.
they are random in content (somewhat) and also size.  a unified look
more than what there is now is not more important than how cool those
random images are, in my opinion.

i think a short text explaining whose web logs should be enough.

carol


 Hopefully the suggestion sounds clear... and maybe it's something
 worth considering, but take it with a grain of salt.  I won't be
 offended if you don't like it.
 
 --
 ~Mike
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Re: [Gimp-developer] the expanding gimp web

2005-11-05 Thread Carol Spears
On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 09:19:26AM +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote:
 
 Secondly, you forgot my blog: 
 
 http://www.shlomifish.org/me/blogs/
 
it was so forgotten by me that i wonder if i even knew of its existence.
your web log has been added to the developers aggregation and also to
the gimp user aggregation.  first, added in a broken way, then that was
fixed.  your web log, no matter what it says will be displayed with the
others there.

perhaps you should review the following document:
http://www.gimp.org/mail_lists.html
the other developers (not limited to one operating system) all seem to
agree to the items mentioned under the heading List Ettiquette.  this
document was not written by me and these requests were estabished long
before i got here.  the fact that i agree with it has little to do with
the existence of the ettiquette request nor the persistence of the ideas
listed there.

personally, i am glad to see that you would like to be included.

carol

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Re: [Gimp-developer] the expanding gimp web

2005-11-05 Thread michael chang
On 11/5/05, Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 04:33:08PM +, michael chang wrote:
  On 11/4/05, Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   i considered what sort of collections of blogs i would find useful.  i
   also considered what could happen if only a small fraction of the gimp
   users added their blog to the feed.  the developers would be lost.  if
   there was only one feed, the news would get lost as well.
  
   i agree that some explanation would help, i got a little confused myself
   by the gimp object scheme this week while making them.  after a short
   break in working with them, i will see what i can do about adding a
   little more information.
 
  Quite nice, the clean interface makes it easy on the eyes, and it
  looks like it'll break down nicely if someone's using a console-based
  browser (e.g. Lynx).
 
 thank you.  the very first thing they did when i showed my first gimp
 web site on the irc was to try it in lynx.  this is a fact for anyone
 trying to design a gimp web site.

  Since it's already set up like that, I don't know if you want to
  change it, but maybe a unified header + description at the top,
  followed by a selection for Layers | Pixels | Paths would be
  interesting... http://blogs.gimp.org/layers,
  http://blogs.gimp.org/pixels, and http://blogs.gimp.org/paths URIs
  would make sense (although that's less creative, i suppose, than your
  current offerings).  If you did do something like that,
  http://blogs.gimp.org would maybe also have the same main header as on
  the above three sites, and then split the three aggregated feeds into
  individual columns with mini-headers... maybe similar to the column
  layout at http://www.google.com/ig (except not so interactive and
  messy...)... each column would be headed b the individual Layers,
  Pixels and Paths blogs headings respectively.
 
 one of my irc friends (i always forget that he is one of the people who
 actually does the work running the gnome computers -- that kind of
 friend, they are great to make and a rare human who is a friend more
 than a superhuman ruler of an actual internet domain) does not like the
 word blog.  he said that he doesn't mind the idea of it but would prefer
 that people call them web journals or web logs.

 the planet software suggests the word planet.  it is implied that the
 planets show developer web logs.  i almost missed this implication and
 called the user aggregation a planet.  there are a bunch of planets
 already.

 blogs.gimp.org -- what if the gimp computers started to have more than
 just me on the computer with a blog?

*shrugs* To me, blog doesn't sound right either -- it is a sort of
made-up word anyway.  But the idea of a quasi-unified interface was
just that, an idea.  The concept of a whatever.gimp.org/section seemed
to make sense to me since the content ... source-type is the same?  I
have no clue now...

Planet would sound nice, except, yes, it is way too common, and I
don't think it sounds GIMPy enough (if that's a word).

 two thoughts about putting the feeds all on one page.  1) is that
 useful? and 2) gimp is making new images for two of them everyday.
 they are random in content (somewhat) and also size.  a unified look
 more than what there is now is not more important than how cool those
 random images are, in my opinion.

Hm.  Very true, since I guess the whole purpose of the layout is to
not detract from the actual content in and of itself.  [Well, at least
I didn't suggest DHTML sliding menus or panels or something. ;)]

 i think a short text explaining whose web logs should be enough.

Well, it was just an idea -- whatever works, I say.  In any case, good luck.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] the expanding gimp web

2005-11-04 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 there are a few new gimp.org web sites lately.  i have been playing with
 the software available from planet.org and the results have been almost
 instant.

 http://paths.gimp.org is a collection of news from the world of free art
 software.  i have subscribed to any news page i could find from the
 people who are going to be attending the convention next february
 (http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/LibreGraphicsMeeting)

 http://layers.gimp.org is a collection of gimp developers with blogs.
 this was a difficult list to come up with, i am open to the idea that i
 might have made an inclusion or omission mistake there.

 http://pixels.gimp.org is a collection of gimp users with blogs.  it
 would be nice to get more blogs there.  it would be even nicer if we
 could get more people blogging about gimp there.

 still in the planning stage is channels.gimp.org which should be a feed
 of gimp tutorials.  i am talking with the people at
 http://www.gimptalk.com about this.  as soon as we can settle on a
 good format for this, that will be online.

Very nice. I am not sure how useful it is to have different
aggregators for developers and users but we will see. What I am
missing is a note on the individual sites explaining what feeds they
are collecting and perhaps links to the other aggregators?


Sven
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Re: [Gimp-developer] the expanding gimp web

2005-11-04 Thread Carol Spears
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 09:28:05PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote:
 Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  there are a few new gimp.org web sites lately.  i have been playing with
  the software available from planet.org and the results have been almost
  instant.
 
 
 Very nice. I am not sure how useful it is to have different
 aggregators for developers and users but we will see. What I am
 missing is a note on the individual sites explaining what feeds they
 are collecting and perhaps links to the other aggregators?
 
thank you for the compliment.

i considered what sort of collections of blogs i would find useful.  i
also considered what could happen if only a small fraction of the gimp
users added their blog to the feed.  the developers would be lost.  if
there was only one feed, the news would get lost as well.

i agree that some explanation would help, i got a little confused myself
by the gimp object scheme this week while making them.  after a short
break in working with them, i will see what i can do about adding a
little more information.

carol

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Re: [Gimp-developer] the expanding gimp web

2005-11-02 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Thursday 03 November 2005 01:34, Carol Spears wrote:
 hello,

 there are a few new gimp.org web sites lately.  i have been playing with
 the software available from planet.org and the results have been almost
 instant.

 http://paths.gimp.org is a collection of news from the world of free art
 software.  i have subscribed to any news page i could find from the
 people who are going to be attending the convention next february
 (http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/LibreGraphicsMeeting)

 http://layers.gimp.org is a collection of gimp developers with blogs.
 this was a difficult list to come up with, i am open to the idea that i
 might have made an inclusion or omission mistake there.

First of all, on Konqueror 3.4.x http://layers.gimp.org/ generates a huge and 
annoying horizontal scroll-bar. It seems to be fine on Moz FF 1.0.x and Opera 
9.0 Preview-1.

Secondly, you forgot my blog: 

http://www.shlomifish.org/me/blogs/

Regards,

Shlomi Fish

 http://pixels.gimp.org is a collection of gimp users with blogs.  it
 would be nice to get more blogs there.  it would be even nicer if we
 could get more people blogging about gimp there.

 still in the planning stage is channels.gimp.org which should be a feed
 of gimp tutorials.  i am talking with the people at
 http://www.gimptalk.com about this.  as soon as we can settle on a
 good format for this, that will be online.

 my apologies to anyone i might have missed or included when i should not
 have.  that being said, if you have a blog and consider yourself
 suitable for any of the mentioned gimp sites and some sort of feed that
 the planet software can understand, feel free to contact me or Wilma.
 in fact, more than just feeling free to contact, please do make the
 contact!  [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]  also, try not to fill up
 wilmas mailbox with spam as happened to wilber ;)  and leave wilber
 alone, he is busy trying to manage spam.

 thanks,

 carol

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