Re: [gimp-devel] Re: Gimp to MacOS

2000-08-08 Thread Simon Budig

Arnaud Masson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 I have ported a big part of gtk+  to MacOS 9, it's on mac-gtk at
 SourceForge.
 IT'S ALIVE ! ;-)
 The GDK port is based on QuickDraw+WindowMgr, and Justin Armstrong has made
 changes for carbon support.
 Of course, on MacOS X, he uses a standard unix glib (I must use the GUSI
 posix emulation on the classic MacOS which is not easy for the process
 stuff).

Unfortunately I dont have a mac but...

THIS IS DEFINITIVELY GREAT NEWS!

 AND... I have a minimal version of Gimp running on MacOS 9 !
 There are still a lot of bugs but at least I can paint some flowers with the
 brush tool...

Yow!

 Currently I don't have much time for GTK because I am on holidays (far away
 from my G4) so you should contact Justin for the MacOS X port.

World domination for Gimp!   ;-)

Bye,
Simon
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Re: Gimp to MacOS

2000-08-07 Thread Arnaud Masson


- Original Message -
From: Michael Natterer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jason T. Slack [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 12:26 AM
Subject: Re: Gimp to MacOS


 On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, Jason T. Slack wrote:

  Hello All,
 
  I am interested in doing a port of GTK+ and GIMP to MacOS.
 
  Has anybody started this?
 
  Should I go full speed ahead?

 Hi,

 I guess that Gtk+ and Gimp will run more or less automatically
 on MacOS X' BSD API once there is an X server, so there should
 be no need to "port" it.

 If you mean to port it to MacOS X' native windowing system, then
 it sould be mostly a matter of porting Gtk+. You should ask on
 the Gtk+ developer list if there are alrady efforts to port
 the upcoming version 2.0 to MacOS X.

 Porting them to the classic or carbon APIs may be not really
 fun because they lack stuff like processes and pipes.


Hi !

I have ported a big part of gtk+  to MacOS 9, it's on mac-gtk at
SourceForge.
IT'S ALIVE ! ;-)
The GDK port is based on QuickDraw+WindowMgr, and Justin Armstrong has made
changes for carbon support.
Of course, on MacOS X, he uses a standard unix glib (I must use the GUSI
posix emulation on the classic MacOS which is not easy for the process
stuff).

AND... I have a minimal version of Gimp running on MacOS 9 !
There are still a lot of bugs but at least I can paint some flowers with the
brush tool...

Currently I don't have much time for GTK because I am on holidays (far away
from my G4) so you should contact Justin for the MacOS X port.

Arnaud









Re: Gimp to MacOS

2000-07-24 Thread Alan F. Ho


It would be lovely if there was a high quality open source OCR program
available. I think there might be one or two people working on ocr,
but the projects still seem to be fairly young. 

-Alan



Re: Gimp to MacOS

2000-07-24 Thread pixel fairy

 pixel fairy wrote:
 
 I, and others. are working on that with matterial
 ( http://matterial.sourceforge.net/ ).
 
  but i think the best way to do that
  would be to build it around the gimp, alot like GAP,
 
 Although the GIMP's interface is great as a graphics editor,
 it is not that great as a non-linear editor.

i meant by building a different interface and keeping the gimp running
with it. thats why i mentioned gap, which also has its own interface but
the gimp runs "behind" it and you can always use it on an image (or
multiple images) i guess what i have in mind is kinda hard to describe...
 
 See ya
 
  Charles Iliya Krempeaux
 




Re: Gimp to MacOS

2000-07-23 Thread egger

On 21 Jul, Michael Natterer wrote:

 I guess that Gtk+ and Gimp will run more or less automatically
 on MacOS X' BSD API once there is an X server, so there should
 be no need to "port" it.

 A X server for MacOS is due to be released by Apple, soon

-- 

Servus,
   Daniel




Re: Gimp to MacOS

2000-07-23 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux

Hello,

Will it be free?  Will it be a standard part of MacOS?
(Or is it something Mac users will have to pay for?)

See ya

 Charles Iliya Krempeaux



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On 21 Jul, Michael Natterer wrote:
 
  I guess that Gtk+ and Gimp will run more or less automatically
  on MacOS X' BSD API once there is an X server, so there should
  be no need to "port" it.
 
  A X server for MacOS is due to be released by Apple, soon
 
 --
 
 Servus,
Daniel



Re: Gimp to MacOS

2000-07-23 Thread egger

On 23 Jul, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:

 Will it be free?  Will it be a standard part of MacOS?
 (Or is it something Mac users will have to pay for?)

 Sorry, I have got no details handy. Read about it on slashdot or
 somewhere. Have a look at the usual MAC places to get info about that...

-- 

Servus,
   Daniel




Re: Gimp on MacOS

2000-07-23 Thread kelly

On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:09:31 -0400, "Jason T. Slack" [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

A question: (An odd question) How did GIMP get permission to use the
same Icons in the toolbox as Photoshop. Did they have to goto Adobe
and get permission?

They just look the same.  Doctrine of merger would probably apply
(there's only so many ways to draw a paintbrush).

Kelly



Re: Gimp to MacOS

2000-07-23 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux

Hello,

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On 23 Jul, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:
 
  Will it be free?  Will it be a standard part of MacOS?
  (Or is it something Mac users will have to pay for?)
 
  Sorry, I have got no details handy. Read about it on slashdot or
  somewhere. Have a look at the usual MAC places to get info about that...

OK, I'll do that (eventually).  But my point is, if X Windows isn't
available on every Mac system... or at least if they can't get it
for free... then it is worth porting the GIMP (and GTK+, GDK, etc) to the
native MacOS API.

After all, if (almost) nobody has X Windows on the Mac (because you
have to pay for it), then nobody will be using a GIMP (that needs
X Windows on the Mac to run).

It was the same with the (MS) Windows version of the GIMP.  Sure, you could
tell people to go buy X Windows for (MS) Windows.  But who was going to
do that.  That's why the GIMP (and GTK+, GDK, etc) got ported over to
the native (MS) Windows' API.  (There was actually an X Windows version of the
GIMP for Windows around before, but how many people could use it?)

See ya

 Charles Iliya Krempeaux



Re: Gimp to MacOS

2000-07-23 Thread egger

On 23 Jul, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:

 OK, I'll do that (eventually).  But my point is, if X Windows isn't
 available on every Mac system... or at least if they can't get it
 for free... then it is worth porting the GIMP (and GTK+, GDK, etc) to
 the native MacOS API.

 I'm not against a port. If you'd like to do that, feel free to start
 hacking. As soon as I have my G4 box I may start helping you but until
 then you have to find other poeple with knowledge of Mac API's and stuff
 like that to port gdk over to it 

-- 

Servus,
   Daniel




Re: Gimp to MacOS

2000-07-23 Thread Jason T. Slack

on 7/23/00 3:30 PM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 :-)  This isn't my project.  The port is being done by Jason T. Slack
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
 
 I've got enough work, working on matterial ( http://matterial.sourceforge.net/
 ).

Ok, I am cross posting this to both Gimp-Devel and GTK-Devel (So Be careful
with the 'reply to all')


Here the scoop:

It seems that others are porting GTK+ to Mac OS X. Can you port GIMP to OS X
without GTK+ being there? Not really yet I understand.

So maybe GIMP is not an option for me to work on. However, I want to develop
something. I have approximately 6 years of C/C++ experience with assembler
developing commercial applications. My interests are graphics, Desk-top
publishing and system level utilities.

Is there a nice Desk-top publishing app for Linux out? (Something Like Quark
Xpress, PageMaker or Indesign?) I have used Quark and developed extensions
for it for years, I have also written a few Photoshop plug-ins. As far as
system apps, I like writing disk utilities, I started writing ghosting
software a year or so ago before I finished college.

Can anybody help me decide where to focus my efforts? I don't really want to
duplicate efforts if someone else is trying to do something. However, I
would like to contribute to bringing quality, commercial, and professional
open software to the community.

So can anybody give me suggestions as what to develop, what is needed out
there, everytime I want to do something, it seems that someone else is
either doing it, or it is done.

Sorry for the Off-topic post and the cross post, but I think that perhaps
your input can help me out.

Jason  




Re: Gimp to MacOS

2000-07-23 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux

Hello,

"Jason T. Slack" wrote:
 
 on 7/23/00 3:30 PM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  :-)  This isn't my project.  The port is being done by Jason T. Slack
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
 
  I've got enough work, working on matterial ( http://matterial.sourceforge.net/
  ).
 
 Ok, I am cross posting this to both Gimp-Devel and GTK-Devel (So Be careful
 with the 'reply to all')
 
 Here the scoop:
 
 It seems that others are porting GTK+ to Mac OS X. Can you port GIMP to OS X
 without GTK+ being there? Not really yet I understand.
 
 So maybe GIMP is not an option for me to work on. However, I want to develop
 something. I have approximately 6 years of C/C++ experience with assembler
 developing commercial applications. My interests are graphics, Desk-top
 publishing and system level utilities.
 
 Is there a nice Desk-top publishing app for Linux out? (Something Like Quark
 Xpress, PageMaker or Indesign?)

I haven't used any of those, but from what I guessing their just Vector graphic
programs.  So,... as for existing projects for Vector Graphic programs, there
is...

 GYVE
 http://www.gyve.org/

 Sketch
 http://sketch.sourceforge.net
 (Although parts of it are in Python,... as well as C.)

 KIllustrator
 http://wwwiti.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~sattler/killustrator.html
 (It uses QT, not GTK+ though.)

 Sodipodi
 http://sodipodi.sourceforge.net/

 TGIF
 http://bourbon.cs.umd.edu:8001/tgif/

(There's probably more.  Just search around.)   


 I have used Quark and developed extensions
 for it for years, I have also written a few Photoshop plug-ins. As far as
 system apps, I like writing disk utilities, I started writing ghosting
 software a year or so ago before I finished college.
 
 Can anybody help me decide where to focus my efforts?

Well, if you're determined to work on a vector graphic application,
then you have the list above.  But, if you are also considering things
more broad than that (... more broad than just vector graphics applications...)
then I can give you an even larger list of projects to choose from.

 I don't really want to
 duplicate efforts if someone else is trying to do something. However, I
 would like to contribute to bringing quality, commercial, and professional
 open software to the community.
 
 So can anybody give me suggestions as what to develop, what is needed out
 there, everytime I want to do something, it seems that someone else is
 either doing it, or it is done.
 
 Sorry for the Off-topic post and the cross post, but I think that perhaps
 your input can help me out.

Hope that helps.

See ya

 Charles Iliya Krempeaux



Re: Gimp to MacOS

2000-07-23 Thread pixel fairy


impress is probably as good as weve got for a page layout app. so
something like that would be a good development, especially with your
experience.

we do need good non linear animation, but i think the best way to do that
would be to build it around the gimp, alot like GAP, but to support some
the cool features of mng and other such niceities the export would have to
be directly from it, not back to the gimps layered amination
thing. meaning it would have its own format which i would either include
the xcf files or pointers to them (like in index in a directory, which may
really be a tgz file or some such). wonder how hard sound syncronization
would be...

anyway, theres some stuff for you to think about. hope it helps.

 So maybe GIMP is not an option for me to work on. However, I want to develop
 something. I have approximately 6 years of C/C++ experience with assembler
 developing commercial applications. My interests are graphics, Desk-top
 publishing and system level utilities.
 
 Is there a nice Desk-top publishing app for Linux out? (Something Like Quark
 Xpress, PageMaker or Indesign?) I have used Quark and developed extensions
 for it for years, I have also written a few Photoshop plug-ins. As far as
 system apps, I like writing disk utilities, I started writing ghosting
 software a year or so ago before I finished college.
 
 Can anybody help me decide where to focus my efforts? I don't really want to
 duplicate efforts if someone else is trying to do something. However, I
 would like to contribute to bringing quality, commercial, and professional
 open software to the community.
 
 So can anybody give me suggestions as what to develop, what is needed out
 there, everytime I want to do something, it seems that someone else is
 either doing it, or it is done.
 
 Sorry for the Off-topic post and the cross post, but I think that perhaps
 your input can help me out.
 
 Jason  
 




Re: Gimp to MacOS

2000-07-23 Thread Carl B. Constantine

On 7/23/2000 19:22, Jason T. Slack at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is there a nice Desk-top publishing app for Linux out? (Something Like Quark
 Xpress, PageMaker or Indesign?)

there is a version of FrameMaker available for Linux as a beta. It's
currently free, but once the beta is done, that may change.

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Re: Gimp on MacOS

2000-07-21 Thread Jason T. Slack

 Who says the icons are the same?  Take a _really_ close look at both
 http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/images/interface.gif and the
 gimp toolbox.  Mostly the only difference is the shading in the gimp
 icons, but I suppose all you need is one pixel different.  Who would
 Adobe sue if there is a copywrite infringment?  The president of gnu
 organization?  Hmm...

This topic came up in course of conversation at my office today. A few
individuals thought that the icons were copied from photoshop. So I thought
I would ask to see if that was true.

You are correct they are different, just by shading.

Jason





Re: Gimp on MacOS

2000-07-21 Thread Zachary Beane

On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 04:53:51PM -0400, Jason T. Slack wrote:
  Who says the icons are the same?  Take a _really_ close look at both
  http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/images/interface.gif and the
  gimp toolbox.  Mostly the only difference is the shading in the gimp
  icons, but I suppose all you need is one pixel different.  Who would
  Adobe sue if there is a copywrite infringment?  The president of gnu
  organization?  Hmm...
 
 This topic came up in course of conversation at my office today. A few
 individuals thought that the icons were copied from photoshop. So I thought
 I would ask to see if that was true.

Adobe Photoshop (and many other programs) use the Mac standard UI
icons for a lot of elements. Take a look at MacPaint sometime, for
example. So they aren't Adobe icons, actually, they're Apple icons...

Zach
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Re: Gimp to MacOS

2000-07-20 Thread Carl B. Constantine

On 7/20/2000 08:32, Jason T. Slack at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello All,
 
 I am interested in doing a port of GTK+ and GIMP to MacOS.
 
 Has anybody started this?
 
 Should I go full speed ahead?
 
 Jason
 
 

I thought about doing it but haven't done so yet. If you do, you'll have to
use straight C. I don't think you could use PoewrPlant to handle the UI
stuff because of GPL issues (can't redistributed PowerPlant I don't think).
You may want to take it up with Metroweks and see.

You could try to port the GTK libs like they did on Windows, but I don't
know how well it would work.


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Re: Gimp to MacOS

2000-07-20 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux

Hello,

I saw something on SourceForge about someone wanting to do
a port of the GIMP to MacOS X...

  http://sourceforge.net/projects/gimp-osx/

But it looks like the creator of this SoureForge project
doesn't intent to do any actual coding himself.  (So that
project is basically dead.)

There is also a project wanting to port GTK+ to MacOS at

  http://sourceforge.net/projects/gtk-mac/
  http://gtk-mac.sourceforge.net/

They seem to be making a 'bit' of progress (judging by the
dates in the CVS), so you might want to help them out on
that.

Hope that helps.

See ya

 Charles Iliya Krempeaux




"Jason T. Slack" wrote:
 
 Hello All,
 
 I am interested in doing a port of GTK+ and GIMP to MacOS.
 
 Has anybody started this?
 
 Should I go full speed ahead?
 
 Jason



Re: Gimp on MacOS

2000-07-20 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux

Hello,

"Jason T. Slack" wrote:
 
 I use Metrowerks, but not Powerplant, I am used to straight C already.
 
 Does Gimp run on Linux PPC or just x86?

It's written in C, so it is CPU independent.  (I will basically run on anything
you can compile the C code on.  Most CPUs, including the PPC family and x86 family,
have C compilers.)  (Of course you still have to port it over to the MacOS operating
system.  The GIMP already run on Linux for PPC,... but that's a different story.)

 I e-mailed the guy who wants to port gimp to MacOS X to get his thoughts as
 he is not a programmer.
 
 Does anybody want to see Gimp on Mac OS or OS X?

I have friends who use Mac, and want to use the GIMP on it (after seeing it on
Linux).  I try to get them to use Linux, but they won't until Linux gets a good
non-linear movie editor.  (That's part of the reason I'm working on matterial:
http://matterial.sourceforge.net/ )  So they stay with Mac because of Final Cut.

If you set up a webpage, mailing list, or anything for it, let me know please.

See ya

 Charles Iliya Krempeaux



Re: Gimp to MacOS

2000-07-20 Thread Michael Natterer

On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, Jason T. Slack wrote:

 Hello All,
 
 I am interested in doing a port of GTK+ and GIMP to MacOS. 
 
 Has anybody started this?
 
 Should I go full speed ahead?

Hi,

I guess that Gtk+ and Gimp will run more or less automatically
on MacOS X' BSD API once there is an X server, so there should
be no need to "port" it.

If you mean to port it to MacOS X' native windowing system, then
it sould be mostly a matter of porting Gtk+. You should ask on
the Gtk+ developer list if there are alrady efforts to port
the upcoming version 2.0 to MacOS X.

Porting them to the classic or carbon APIs may be not really
fun because they lack stuff like processes and pipes.

ciao,
--Mitch