Re: How much longer do I have to put up with this shit? (This is NOT a troll)

2000-12-10 Thread Michael Natterer

Hi,

Ask politely next time.
Go away!

bye,
--Mitch

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 * When I press Alt-F and then "x" on my keyboard, The Gimp doesn't exit.
 * I see completely fucking useless tearoff menus on top of every
   menu.  They get in the way, sometimes tear off by mistake, and in
   general seem to be designed to annoy the fuck out of the user
 * I cannot use 90% of GIMP's features from keyboard.  Hardly any of the
   menus have keyboard shortcuts.
 * None of the dialogs have keyboard shortcuts.  And I don't mean a
   shortcut to bring up the dialog.  I mean keyboard hotkeys to navigate
   inside the dialog from control to control.
 * Tab order on most dialogs is idiotic.
 * 90% of the dialogs don't have properly setup default action buttons.  I
   want to press enter in the "New Image" dialog and expect it to go away.
   Don't blame GTK, that you can't activate a default button when you are
   inside of a entry.  Fix it.  Gnome people fixed it, not that it was the
   best way to do it.
 * I can never get rid of an accidentally brought up dialog using the "esc"
   key.  Adding code to do this would be so simple I am curious why nobody
   bothered to do that.  It should naturally default to activating dialog's
   "Cancel" button.
 * Contents of about half of the dialog boxes seems to be entries in a
   contest for the next century's ugliest user inteface.  What ever
   happened to uniform interface?
 * Configurable menu shortcut keys?  Who the fuck uses that?  I would
   rather see consistent menu hotkeys so I can do Alt-F-X to exit the
   application rather than be able to customize what key I press to save
   the image.  Another useless feature, in my opinion.
 * Did I mention that tearoff menus either need to go away, or be
   configurable by the user, with ability to completely disable them?  I
   understand that whoever designed tearoff menus used to sleep dreaming
   about motif and CDE, but still, not everyone is nuts like that.
 
 I have been a long time gimp user since like version 0.9-something, and
 contributed some code even back in 1998, but this is getting out of
 hand.  I was hoping close to the 1.2 release someone would at least bother
 looking into the human interface features of this program.  I appreciate
 how cool the program is as far as features go, but if it's unusable by
 your average joe user, nobody will like it.  All of the things I mentioned
 above are very easily fixable, even if that means adding extra code to
 handle it.  Menu hotkeys are absolutely necessary, and for god's sake dont
 fucking use "Quit", its E-X-I-T, not QUIT.  Look at any professional
 application.  Also, may I suggest reading "Designing User Interfaces" on
 your favorite MSDN mirror.  While 100% of you are going to balk at the
 fact its about Windows, it's very interesting reading nevertheless.  Of
 course, implementing most of the things mentioned there would require
 rewriting GTK and it's idiocy regarding keyboard control, but at least
 some things could be done.
 
 tc.  this is NOT a troll, but a increasing concern I have about all GUI
 applications created for Linux.
 
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Re: How much longer do I have to put up with this shit? (This is NOT a troll)

2000-12-10 Thread Sven Neumann

Hi, 

Zachary Beane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 02:31:13AM +0900, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  * Contents of about half of the dialog boxes seems to be entries in a
contest for the next century's ugliest user inteface.  What ever
happened to uniform interface?
 
 I'm sure assistance in redesign would be greatly appreciated. Mocking
 up sane designs would be extremely helpful.

I'm pretty sure that we can live better without timecops assistance. A lot
of people that work a lot with The GIMP have contributed their ideas of a
nice and usable GUI and should continue to do so. We all know that we can 
still improve a lot, but we can certainly do better without people like 
him.


Salut, Sven




Re: How much longer do I have to put up with this shit? (This is NOT a troll)

2000-12-10 Thread Hakke_007

I guess someone is completely unsatisfied with his sexual life, and though
written in a profoundly stupid way, I think Mr. timecop has mentionend some
facts that I have also considered worth to be changed:

- Tab order on most dialogs is not perfect
- 90% of the dialogs don't have properly setup default action buttons. 
- One can never get rid of an accidentally brought up dialog using the
"esc" key. It should naturally default to activating dialog's "Cancel" button.

I personally think bothering 'bout things like EXIT or QUIT is idiotic
itself. Costumizable shortcuts are a great thing and shouldn't be abolished.
Maybe Mr. TIMECOP would have been taken more seriously if he had written his
complaints not in a way that obviously applies most to his behaviour ...
idiotic!

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