Re: ban request + more
you can't generalize about ''developers'' any more than you can generalize about any class of things, software, whatever. It isn't that cut and dried. and it's certainly useless to introduce such generalizations into analysis of the GIMP. It's off topic and needlessly vague. This is supposed to be a tech discussion list, not a soapbox against your own agenda of hatred and prejudice. i'm finishing up my stint of backing rude though potentially insightful user comments, in favor of the more popular theory, that of let's ignore the moron that can't discuss without personal attack. -Dave Dennis Seattle, WA On Thu, 28 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 02:53:03 +0900 (JST) > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: ban request + more > > Rebecca J. Walter said: > > i would like to request that timecop be banned from this list. is that > > possible? if so, would someone please do that? he obviously fails to > > appreciate the quality program the developers have made available to > > us and his constant cursing and complaining is a waste of band width. > > thank you. > I would like to request that next time you see something that says "you > are easily offended, do not read the rest of this message", you should > follow the advice and not read the rest of the message if you are easily > offended. However you should read the rest of THIS message. > > That being said, I disagree with your comment about the developers. I do > agree that this program in question is "great" but I think without users > feedback it would probably be much more limited than it is now. There is > only so much imagination in a given developer's head, and one of the > reasons gimp is where it is now is because of constructive user feedback. > Adam can write great low-level stuff, but he tells everyone directly that > making it user friendly is not his area of expertise. Same is true for > others, I am sure. If gimp is going to get better, easier to use, and > more popular, whatever, then developers should listen to the users once > and a while. Not every gimp user is going to be a hardcore hax0r who > sleeps dreaming of vi commands and remembers all emacs key bindings. Mr. > Egger obviously fails to see that point since he doesn't give a fuck about > what us USERS think, he is only interested in his OWN problems. All is > good, but how can he be working for a software company making software for > users, if he doesn't give a shit about users problems? Puzzling. > > By the way, "band width" is not a word. It's two words that make no sense > together in this context. Appropriate word here would probably be > "bandwidth", although I fail to understand how a ~2kb message could be > wasting it. Even with my limited connection that still means only 5-10 > seconds of download. Text is easily compressible, too. Most modems > support V.42bis data compression which gives up to a 8:1 ratio for text > content, so amount of bandwidth wasted by my post would be minimal. Beware > though, V.42bis uses a modified Lempel-Ziv algorithm, which is the same > algorithm used to compress .GIF images. You might need to get a permission > from Unisys before you can receive text compressed using this protocol. > > I could be wrong here too but your tone sounds like "oh lets be thankful > to God that this High Group of People created The Greatest Tool Gimp, and > let's never complain about anything because God told them to make Gimp, > and anything God makes is 100% perfect". That's kinda wrong. See above. > I noticed even you complained the other day, when you were asking for some > grid related stuff. But that post was pretty incoherent, and I couldn't > figure out exactly what you were trying to ask. Sometime it helps if your > request makes sense before other people can start working on it. If it > was about adding grid to the image when you are zoomed in say 8x or > higher, yes I agree that's a valid idea that should be implemented. But > like I said I really didn't understand what you were talking about. > > And if you truly don't like me that much, well, be hardcore and add my > email to your procmail killfile. I am sure you know how to do that. But > why bother? Some day I might email you with info about your husband > cheating on you, and you won't get it, and find out by yourself, and > you'll be so shocked you might die, or have a heart attack, and then > you'll say it was all my fault. Other people could find my posts > funny or amusing, or even useful, why deprive them of
Re: ban request + more
Rebecca J. Walter said: > i would like to request that timecop be banned from this list. is that > possible? if so, would someone please do that? he obviously fails to > appreciate the quality program the developers have made available to > us and his constant cursing and complaining is a waste of band width. > thank you. I would like to request that next time you see something that says "you are easily offended, do not read the rest of this message", you should follow the advice and not read the rest of the message if you are easily offended. However you should read the rest of THIS message. That being said, I disagree with your comment about the developers. I do agree that this program in question is "great" but I think without users feedback it would probably be much more limited than it is now. There is only so much imagination in a given developer's head, and one of the reasons gimp is where it is now is because of constructive user feedback. Adam can write great low-level stuff, but he tells everyone directly that making it user friendly is not his area of expertise. Same is true for others, I am sure. If gimp is going to get better, easier to use, and more popular, whatever, then developers should listen to the users once and a while. Not every gimp user is going to be a hardcore hax0r who sleeps dreaming of vi commands and remembers all emacs key bindings. Mr. Egger obviously fails to see that point since he doesn't give a fuck about what us USERS think, he is only interested in his OWN problems. All is good, but how can he be working for a software company making software for users, if he doesn't give a shit about users problems? Puzzling. By the way, "band width" is not a word. It's two words that make no sense together in this context. Appropriate word here would probably be "bandwidth", although I fail to understand how a ~2kb message could be wasting it. Even with my limited connection that still means only 5-10 seconds of download. Text is easily compressible, too. Most modems support V.42bis data compression which gives up to a 8:1 ratio for text content, so amount of bandwidth wasted by my post would be minimal. Beware though, V.42bis uses a modified Lempel-Ziv algorithm, which is the same algorithm used to compress .GIF images. You might need to get a permission from Unisys before you can receive text compressed using this protocol. I could be wrong here too but your tone sounds like "oh lets be thankful to God that this High Group of People created The Greatest Tool Gimp, and let's never complain about anything because God told them to make Gimp, and anything God makes is 100% perfect". That's kinda wrong. See above. I noticed even you complained the other day, when you were asking for some grid related stuff. But that post was pretty incoherent, and I couldn't figure out exactly what you were trying to ask. Sometime it helps if your request makes sense before other people can start working on it. If it was about adding grid to the image when you are zoomed in say 8x or higher, yes I agree that's a valid idea that should be implemented. But like I said I really didn't understand what you were talking about. And if you truly don't like me that much, well, be hardcore and add my email to your procmail killfile. I am sure you know how to do that. But why bother? Some day I might email you with info about your husband cheating on you, and you won't get it, and find out by yourself, and you'll be so shocked you might die, or have a heart attack, and then you'll say it was all my fault. Other people could find my posts funny or amusing, or even useful, why deprive them of reading my stuff just because YOU don't like me? Don't take this stuff so personally either, after all its just a bunch of bits on the network, nothing to get offended about. tc -- $B!&!E!D(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,!D!E!&(B timecop at japan.co.jp | $B#O#ADL?.%5%S!<%93t<02q
Re: ban request
> it's been my experience that last year's whining > screaming can quite often > be next years' thoughtful contribution. he > definitely cares about the > design, enough to get upset and scream about it. > maybe he has to learn > some things, but if you want a nice quiet list full > of nice quiet > agreement that sounds more like a support group. There's been a level of civility around here that gets violated from time to time. Banning is an overreaction, but whether or not he realizes it, he's effectively banning himself. The only reason I might read one of his posts now is for entertainment purposes, even though I'm sure he has something useful to say somewhere. Its not worth my time to sort through the insults and profanity to come up with a small nugget of "that might be useful". I'm sure I'm not alone in this regard. Timecop, please try to remember that developers and other contributors are people too. Happy GIMPing, and may this thread die a timely death. Seth [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Wed, 27 Dec 2000, Rebecca J. Walter wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:24:45 +0100 > > From: Rebecca J. Walter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: ban request > > > > i would like to request that timecop be banned > from this list. > > is that possible? if so, would someone please do > that? he obviously > > fails to appreciate the quality program the > developers have made > > available to us and his constant cursing and > complaining is a waste of > > band width. > > thank you. > > bex > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Re: ban request
dissenting opinion is usually best left to wander off of its own lack of purpose. and he hasn't posted anything bad in a couple of weeks whats the problem? i figured it was just pre-finals stress. it's been my experience that last year's whining screaming can quite often be next years' thoughtful contribution. he definitely cares about the design, enough to get upset and scream about it. maybe he has to learn some things, but if you want a nice quiet list full of nice quiet agreement that sounds more like a support group. On Wed, 27 Dec 2000, Rebecca J. Walter wrote: > Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:24:45 +0100 > From: Rebecca J. Walter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: ban request > > i would like to request that timecop be banned from this list. > is that possible? if so, would someone please do that? he obviously > fails to appreciate the quality program the developers have made > available to us and his constant cursing and complaining is a waste of > band width. > thank you. > bex >
