Re: [Gimp-docs] 2.2.3. Selection masks - revision needed

2010-10-21 Thread Ulf-D. Ehlert
Hi David,

(sorry for the delay, there are too many other things to do...)


David (Saturday, 16. October 2010)
 It's very unclear to a new user what saves the displayed active
 selection to a thumbnail in front of the channel means.

You're right.

 Doubtless everyone here knows, and is pointing with their
 finger - 'look, there it is!'
 
 I think it means displays a thumbnail of the active selection on
 the channel dialog. Took me quite a while to work it out.
 (There's no saving involved; it's the dialog, not the channel.)

IMO we can simply remove this (and describe the quick mask in the 
Qick Mask section).

 I suggest that the text There are many selection tools in GIMP
 like rectangular selection tool or fuzzy selection for continuous
 selections  is removed - this must be known by anyone reading
 this. At least let's correct the grammar.

Removing seems ok to me - we are not in Basic Concepts section.

 Is this section trying to teach about the Quick mask, or about
 selections saved as channels? If the former, then figure 14.10
 should not head the section. If the latter then the text should
 not mention the Quick mask here.

Yes, we should remove the Quick mask stuff here.
 
 Nowhere that I can find does the text explain figure 14.10. I guess
 it is possible to combine selection masks in a single operation,
 but my efforts at clicking on eyes, links and the such-like have
 failed :(. The only way I can think to achieve the result shown in
 the figure is to use Shift and Ctrl keys while clicking on the
 'Channel to Selection' button. In either case the text has to
 explain!

Again, you're right. The example assumes section
2.2.2.3. Managing channels - Channel to selection is known. We 
should at least add a pointer to the relevant info.

 It would be helpful if the pop-up text in the application and the
 docs used the same description of this button (sigh - the app
 labels it 'replace the current selection...')

Channel to Selection is the name of the first selection item in th 
context menu (with pop-up help Replace the selection with this 
channel), and the list of buttons also shows the respective icons; so 
I think Channel to Selection is the best name here.

 When the button is mentioned in '2.2.3.1. Using Selection Masks' I
 hadn't a clue where to find it - why not link somewhere (eg to
 higher up the page). I did guess, but because the button is
 differently labelled and is one among many I missed it.

I will add a link here.

 You can probably pick up a degree of my frustration ;) 

Oh yes...

 Only a new user can spot where the docs don't work well enough.

Exactly!

Ulf


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[Gimp-docs] 2.2.3. Selection masks - revision needed

2010-10-16 Thread David
We currently have:

Channels can be used to save and restore your selections. Clicking on the 
Quick 
mask button on the Image window  automatically creates a new channel called 
Qmask  and saves the displayed active selection to a thumbnail in front of the 
channel.There are many selection tools in GIMP like rectangular selection tool 
or fuzzy selection for continuous selections. 

It's very unclear to a new user what saves the displayed active selection to a 
thumbnail in front of the channel means. Doubtless everyone here knows, and is 
pointing with their finger - 'look, there it is!'

I think it means displays a thumbnail of the active selection on the channel 
dialog. Took me quite a while to work it out. (There's no saving involved; 
it's the dialog, not the channel.)

I suggest that the text There are many selection tools in GIMP like 
rectangular 
selection tool or fuzzy selection for continuous selections  is removed - this 
must be known by anyone reading this. At least let's correct the grammar.


Is this section trying to teach about the Quick mask, or about selections saved 
as channels? If the former, then figure 14.10 should not head the section. If 
the latter then the text should not mention the Quick mask here.


Nowhere that I can find does the text explain figure 14.10. I guess it is 
possible to combine selection masks in a single operation, but my efforts at 
clicking on eyes, links and the such-like have failed :(. The only way I can 
think to achieve the result shown in the figure is to use Shift and Ctrl keys 
while clicking on the 'Channel to Selection' button. In either case the text 
has 
to explain!

It would be helpful if the pop-up text in the application and the docs used the 
same description of this button (sigh - the app labels it 'replace the current 
selection...')

When the button is mentioned in '2.2.3.1. Using Selection Masks' I hadn't a 
clue 
where to find it - why not link somewhere (eg to higher up the page). I did 
guess, but because the button is differently labelled and is one among many I 
missed it.

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You can probably pick up a degree of my frustration ;) but the reason I was 
reading this section was because I was revising the 'basic concepts' text as I 
promised earlier - I am trying to contribute rather than just moan.

Only a new user can spot where the docs don't work well enough.

David



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