Re: [Gimp-docs] a new user perspective

2010-11-18 Thread Ulf-D. Ehlert
David (Tuesday, 16. November 2010) Some of it can be done by stylesheet - for example perhaps, the empty space around figures. But I suspect in practice a lot of what I'd like to see means reducing image size on screen, and repositioning / floating some (but only some) images so that the text

Re: [Gimp-docs] a new user perspective

2010-11-17 Thread Ulf-D. Ehlert
Roman Joost (Tuesday, 16. November 2010) Just keep in mind with those changes, that the GIMP Help browser uses almost the same stylesheets. Perhaps it is not the desirable goal to have a compact layout for the user who downloaded the manual or uses the help browser to browse the manual. As

Re: [Gimp-docs] a new user perspective

2010-11-16 Thread David
Thanks Ulf, Roman (1) Compact layout. This is mostly a matter of the chosen style(sheet): We (you?) could create an alternate stylesheet , e.g. compact.css Some of it can be done by stylesheet - for example perhaps, the empty space around figures. But I suspect in practice a lot of what I'd

Re: [Gimp-docs] a new user perspective

2010-11-15 Thread Ulf-D. Ehlert
David (Tuesday, 09. November 2010) So shouldn't we ask someone who had never worked with GIMP or had never tried to read the manual? ;-) That *is* me, isn't it? (a new user perspective) Are you kidding?! ;-) Actually I was referring to the page content on eg the 'basic concepts' page,

Re: [Gimp-docs] a new user perspective

2010-11-15 Thread Roman Joost
Hi Ulf, On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 08:51:03PM +0100, Ulf-D. Ehlert wrote: (1) Compact layout. This is mostly a matter of the chosen style(sheet): We (you?) could create an alternate stylesheet , e.g. compact.css (starting with a copy of gimp-help-screen.css) and change text layout etc.

Re: [Gimp-docs] a new user perspective

2010-11-06 Thread David
@David: BTW, I think you did never mention: are you working on cloned copy of the git repository, i.e. on the source files? I do have a cloned copy, and have submitted one minor change from it. However the webpages at http://drking.webstarts.com/index.html are a quick mock-up using (rather

Re: [Gimp-docs] a new user perspective

2010-11-06 Thread David
@Ulf Selections as sub-section of Painting is not too absurd IMHO. Remember that you can select and copy/cut to create a new brush (see 7.9.2. Creating a brush quickly). Sorry - should have replied to this. If I'm right that the contents page is too long, then a new user needs to be able to

Re: [Gimp-docs] a new user perspective

2010-11-02 Thread David
Hi Ulf for Layers (albeit currently called 'Combining Images'), for Selections (called 'Painting with GIMP'), No, there's no Selections section called Painting with GIMP: II.7.1+2 (Selection and Creating and Using Selections) are subsections of II.7 (Painting with GIMP). OK - but what I

Re: [Gimp-docs] a new user perspective

2010-09-07 Thread Sven Neumann
On Mon, 2010-09-06 at 23:48 +0100, David wrote: It's there already, on the offical GIMP for Windows site, right next to the latest GIMP for Windows installer, linked prominentely from www.gimp.org: http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/stable.html What change exactly are you suggesting? If

Re: [Gimp-docs] a new user perspective

2010-09-06 Thread Kolbjørn Stuestøl
David skreiv: Hi Bill On 05/09/2010 11:17, Hugh Loebner wrote: But beyond that, it's also true that the manual *can* be something that people will be able to read in order to learn how the program works, rather than just something to consult when there is a problem. The

Re: [Gimp-docs] a new user perspective

2010-09-06 Thread Kolbjørn Stuestøl
Ulf-D. Ehlert skreiv: Kolbjørn Stuestøl (Wednesday, 01. September 2010) Ulf-D. Ehlert skreiv: David (Monday, 30. August 2010) [...] Images would be better right or left aligned, definitely not inline as at present. I don't see the problem (but that doesn't

Re: [Gimp-docs] a new user perspective

2010-09-05 Thread David
Another specific issue: == 13.2. Creating a Basic Shape 1.Drawing shapes is not the main purpose for using GIMP. However, you may create shapes by either painting them using the technique described in Figure 7.35, “A new image” or... == I suggest this would be better as:

Re: [Gimp-docs] a new user perspective

2010-09-05 Thread Hugh Loebner
Why not link to Inkscape, an open source drawing program? On Sep 5, 2010 4:34 AM, David gimp-d...@drking.co.uk wrote: Another specific issue: == 13.2. Creating a Basic Shape 1.Drawing shapes is not the main purpose for using GIMP. However, you may create shapes by either painting them

Re: [Gimp-docs] a new user perspective

2010-09-05 Thread David
On 05/09/2010 11:17, Hugh Loebner wrote: Why not link to Inkscape, an open source drawing program? Because this part of the manual is about drawing shapes in GIMP (and only in GIMP). People who read a manual generally do not want to read it. They generally want to be using the application,

Re: [Gimp-docs] a new user perspective

2010-09-02 Thread David
On 02/09/2010 20:11, Sven Neumann wrote: You should try to play well with packagers and distributions and make releases frequently so that users can pick up updates easily. It is not our job to educate them how to install the manual from source. And I consider the generated HTML the source.

Re: [Gimp-docs] a new user perspective

2010-09-01 Thread Ulf-D. Ehlert
David (Monday, 30. August 2010) In a spirit of trying to help, may I share a few observations about the online documentation that would make my reading of it easier? Feedback is always welcome! :-) 1. There is no link off the manual to the GIMP site. I wanted that. The HTML manual contains

Re: [Gimp-docs] a new user perspective

2010-09-01 Thread David
I've quickly mocked up an alternative contents page, using headings up to 2 deep. It uses just more than one screen on my system. A copy/paste of those contents is: == Preface 1. GIMP User Manual Authors and Contributors I. Getting Started 1. Introduction 2. Fire

Re: [Gimp-docs] a new user perspective

2010-09-01 Thread Kolbjørn Stuestøl
David skreiv: I've quickly mocked up an alternative contents page, using headings up to 2 deep. It uses just more than one screen on my system. A copy/paste of those contents is: == Preface 1. GIMP User Manual Authors and Contributors I. Getting Started 1.