Re: [Gimp-gui] What should be the default theme and icon theme?

2016-03-22 Thread Jehan 

Hi,

On 2016-03-22 09:14, Kevin Payne wrote:

Well I'm pleased you've re-named them in git because I was about to
complain about the names- Darker is a relative term, It's darker than
what? Than the Dark? Than the Grey? But you have now established that
Darker is darker than Dark! (and Lighter is lighter than Light) and
thankfully we don't have to think about localising the names.

As you say, the theme defines which symbolic icon-theme to use, and my
choice of theme would be the mid-grey (but personally I will modify it
to make the text white instead of dark) With the light symbolic icons.

As far as a new name for the "Default" theme - I think "System" does 
the job.


And on a side note, I'm not continuing with making pixel-aligned icons
because I've been unable to get anyone to communicate a decision about
what sizes are the default.


Sorry lately I could not make the time to think much on this specific 
topic. :-/


Jehan

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Kevin


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Subject: Re: [Gimp-gui] What should be the default theme and icon 
theme?


Oh one more question!

On 2016-03-22 01:21, Jehan wrote:

Hello all,

Now we have 5 themes in GIMP: lighter, light, gray, dark and darker.
The "Default" theme will likely stay since it corresponds to the
default theme of your desktop.
The "Small" theme will disappear as soon as we have customizable icon
size (which should be soon, there is already a working patch, but I
have to take the time and improve it before merging).

We have a symbolic icon theme in light and dark colors, and a new
color icon theme. Hopefully all these should be vectorial in the end,
allowing various scaling, while still be pixel-perfect at least for
the default size.
The original icon theme stays under the name "Legacy".

Now for GIMP 2.10, the default icon theme should likely be one of the
symbolic themes, since this is the direction where most software are
going, and historic GIMP/GNOME icon designer Jimmac really things this
is the way to go.

So the questions are:
1/ which symbolic icon theme should be the default? The dark or the
light one?
2/ which theme should be the default (of course, the answer to 1/
limits the possible answers to 2/)?


3/ Since "Default" won't be the default theme anymore, how should it be
renamed? Basically that's the theme which follows the current desktop
theme. So should it be "System"? "Desktop-integration"? Something else?

Jehan


Thanks!

Jehan

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Re: [Gimp-gui] What should be the default theme and icon theme?

2016-03-22 Thread Jehan 

Hi,

On 2016-03-22 09:42, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 3:21 AM, Jehan wrote:


So the questions are:
1/ which symbolic icon theme should be the default? The dark or the 
light

one?
2/ which theme should be the default (of course, the answer to 1/ 
limits the

possible answers to 2/)?


These questions don't make a lot of sense to me. Light symbolic icon
theme doesn't work well with lighter UI themes. Dark symbolic icon
theme doesn't work well with darker UI themes. Otherwise the contrast
is compromised.


Well that's why I explicitly said: "the answer to 1/ limits the possible 
answers to 2/".



Hence if the system/default UI theme is considerably light, you
automatically go with the dark icon theme.


Yes the alternative is to keep using the "Default/System" theme. But as 
you note, we would need to know whether this is a light or dark theme. 
Now there may be a way, but I just can't find it. I am a little lost in 
all this GTK+ theming thing. We don't want to use light icons on a 
system light themes, nor dark on dark.


So either someone gives me the solution to this, and then I think 
keeping the system theme is clearly the best solution (at least for 
Linux distributions. On Windows and OSX, this probably doesn't matter), 
or we have to choose one of our new themes and make our own default 
choice, not caring about what how the system theme is configured.


Last alternative is of course to keep using color icons (since they go 
on every shade of grey), but then we go against the opinion of Jimmac 
and other designers.


3/ Since "Default" won't be the default theme anymore, how should it 
be
renamed? Basically that's the theme which follows the current desktop 
theme.

So should it be "System"? "Desktop-integration"? Something else?


'System' looks good to me :)


Seems most people think "System" is good. I guess I'll rename it this 
way, then.


Jehan

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