Re: [Gimp-gui] gimp-gui-list Digest, Vol 11, Issue 1

[Jehan]

On 2016-09-28 16:26, Joseph Bupe wrote:

On 28 September 2016 at 15:28, Jehan  wrote:


Paths are not layers, neither in the code nor conceptually (well
you could stretch the concept, I guess, but y first idea would not
put these on the same conceptual level). So no, I don't think so.

Jehan


Well, I thought this would be possible for GIMP:


Yeah actually the more I think about it, the more it looks like not too 
bad an idea indeed. That would make paths being actual editable objects 
(which can be made visible or not, etc.) more obvious and less a "hidden 
feature".


Jehan


https://affinity.serif.com/forum/index.php?/topic/25471-vector-layers/
[1]


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Re: [Gimp-gui] gimp-gui-list Digest, Vol 11, Issue 1

[Jehan]

On 2016-09-28 15:44, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 4:28 PM, Jehan wrote:


Also, shouldn't we just have the Paths Layers within the Layers
dialog, then provide "Layer type" option to choose what type of layer
to add through that pop-up dialog.



Paths are not layers, neither in the code nor conceptually


This is extremely arguable :) Because vector layers, you know :)


Yeah I just made a second email where I came back on this sentence. 
Simply the way we currently handle them in GIMP is like one single 
vector object. A paths layer would mean IMO more like a way to group 
several separate vector objects (which you could stroke, select and move 
individually).


Also they are always above the pixels right now. Ordering a paths under 
a "pixel layer" means nothing currently (though it easily could of 
course). It's just not the same conceptual level in our code.


But yeah I agree so you can erase my previous sentence: these could be 
put on the same level if we put the effort into it.


Jehan


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Re: [Gimp-gui] gimp-gui-list Digest, Vol 11, Issue 1

[Joseph Bupe]

On 28 September 2016 at 15:28, Jehan  wrote:

>
> Paths are not layers, neither in the code nor conceptually (well you could
> stretch the concept, I guess, but y first idea would not put these on the
> same conceptual level). So no, I don't think so.
>
> Jehan
>

Well, I thought this would be possible for GIMP:

https://affinity.serif.com/forum/index.php?/topic/25471-vector-layers/
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Re: [Gimp-gui] gimp-gui-list Digest, Vol 11, Issue 1

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 4:28 PM, Jehan wrote:

>> Also, shouldn't we just have the Paths Layers within the Layers
>> dialog, then provide "Layer type" option to choose what type of layer
>> to add through that pop-up dialog.
>
>
> Paths are not layers, neither in the code nor conceptually

This is extremely arguable :) Because vector layers, you know :)

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Re: [Gimp-gui] gimp-gui-list Digest, Vol 11, Issue 1

[Jehan]

On 2016-09-28 15:28, Jehan wrote:

Hi,

On 2016-09-28 15:12, Joseph Bupe wrote:

Also, shouldn't we just have the Paths Layers within the Layers
dialog, then provide "Layer type" option to choose what type of layer
to add through that pop-up dialog.


Paths are not layers, neither in the code nor conceptually (well you
could stretch the concept, I guess, but y first idea would not put
these on the same conceptual level). So no, I don't think so.


This said, playing with it, I could see how you could see it as a layer 
rather than a single object. But we really don't process these that way 
in GIMP. One "path" is pretty much a unique object and not a layer (with 
several objects in it).


Also if you could order paths and layers together, it means you could 
have paths under layers (which currently doesn't exist). That could all 
be interesting ideas if GIMP had more powerful support of vectors. But 
right now I feel our implementation is too weak to consider paths as 
layers for vectors.


Jehan

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Re: [Gimp-gui] gimp-gui-list Digest, Vol 11, Issue 1

[Jehan]

Hi,

On 2016-09-28 15:12, Joseph Bupe wrote:

Message: 1
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 23:37:45 +0200
From: Jehan 
To: gimp-gui-list@gnome.org
Subject: [Gimp-gui] Paths should be visible by default
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Hi all!

Right now paths are made invisible on creation, which means so see
it
when you have the path tool activated, but as soon as you choose
another
tool, it looks like it disappeared:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708124 [1]

Actually it is there, simply not visible. Solution is to click on
the
"eye" icon on the path dock.

I think this makes no sense. Anything new should be visible by
default
(for instance you don't make a layer invisible as a default!).

Could we agree on changing this or was there a secret reason for
this
weird behavior?

Jehan


Also, shouldn't we just have the Paths Layers within the Layers
dialog, then provide "Layer type" option to choose what type of layer
to add through that pop-up dialog.


Paths are not layers, neither in the code nor conceptually (well you 
could stretch the concept, I guess, but y first idea would not put these 
on the same conceptual level). So no, I don't think so.


Jehan


1. Pixels Layer (as default)

2. Paths Layer



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