Re: [Gimp-user] Re: GimpShop
On Saturday 02 April 2005 7:46 pm, Jonathan D Gibbons wrote: Now, what I think would be really wonderful along these lines would be a setup whereby The Gimp can be easily skinned to a rearranged UI like this. That way, we can have a Gimp skin that is familiar to Photoshop users, a Gimp skin that is familiar to FireWorks users, etc., and perhaps even some that are simply designed to be streamlined for a particular purpose - photo touchups, for example. Would make transitioning easier from the other major editors, and would even give the Gimp a leg up none of them have - you could switch UIs between one that you feel is easier for one task to one that is easier for another without actually changing programs - or paying for multiple programs, or needing space on disk for more programs. Although I'm all in favour of people working in the way that works best for them I think the discussion on this list is missing an important point. Imagine someone (a new user) has set their gimp menus up to resemble photoshop. Now for some reason they can't figure out how to scale their image. So they wisely come to this list (they are using gimp after all) and ask their question How do I scale an image?) Answer Look in the tools menu under transform. Unfortunately , since their menus are non standard they don't have this menu. Oh man, that gimp program sucks. I'm going back to pho... Not to disparrage the hard work that was put into this hack but... Let gimp be gimp and photoshop be photoshop. I don't expect to see a rush of hackers trying to change pho... to look like the gimp I suggest the acronym for gimp should be changed to Gimp Is Mnot Photoshop Thats my 2 cents -- dh Don't shop at ZipZoomFly.com! pgpwnISLFJlmu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: GimpShop
David Herman wrote: (snip) Not to disparrage the hard work that was put into this hack but... Let gimp be gimp and photoshop be photoshop. I completely agree. Peace... Tom ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: GimpShop
On Dimanche 03 Avril 2005 16:31, David Herman wrote: Imagine someone (a new user) has set their gimp menus up to resemble photoshop. Now for some reason they can't figure out how to scale their image. So they wisely come to this list (they are using gimp after all) and ask their question How do I scale an image?) Answer Look in the tools menu under transform. Unfortunately , since their menus are non standard they don't have this menu. Oh man, that gimp program sucks. I'm going back to pho... Yes, this is true. But in another hand, I think that it is better to explain how to use a tool instead of telling him just click here, here and here, and that's it. If you know how to use tools such curves or level, and really know how they work, then you will be able to use either Gimp, Photoshop or whaterver soft you want. If someone really want to use Gimp, he will find the menu. If gimpshop can help to migrate from Photoshop, this is OK. And if Gimp gives choice to arrange menus, this is great. Each one can choose the best solution for him. And even if he ask for the place of a tool, there will be some other people using the same skin to help him. My 2 euros... -- Frédéric http://www.gbiloba.org pgp6QMPojn81h.pgp Description: PGP signature
[Gimp-user] Install
Hello, Can anyone give me the address or steps on how to install Gimp in MandrakeLinux? I had downloaded the RPM from Fedora, but I could not install it, when I do 'rpm -i ..'.Here the questions is, actually I am very new to Linux. So here I now request someone to help. Thanks, R. Kumaran ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Install
* GR Kumaran [EMAIL PROTECTED] [04-03-05 14:05]: Can anyone give me the address or steps on how to install Gimp in MandrakeLinux? I had downloaded the RPM from Fedora, but I could not install it, when I do 'rpm -i ..'.Here the questions is, actually I am very new to Linux. So here I now request someone to help. Your *FIRST* step would be: man rpm -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org@ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: GimpShop
Frédéric wrote: (snip) If someone really want to use Gimp, he will find the menu. If gimpshop can help to migrate from Photoshop, this is OK. And if Gimp gives choice to arrange menus, this is great. Each one can choose the best solution for him. Based on the positive feedback on that blog, it sounds more like people are looking for a free PhotoShop than trying to migate to Gimp. The more Gimp looks and feels like PhotoShop, the more people will think of it like PhotoShop and then come the change requests to have Gimp behave more in a PhotoShop-ish manner. When you use the phrase migrate from PhotoShop, I interpret that to mean utilize tools or information to help ease the transition from the old to the new, which is something I don't think will happen with GimpShop. If you go back and read some of the commentary in the blog, people are indirectly associating a good UI with a PhotoShop UI. This doesn't mean the PhotoShop UI is a good UI but since so many are familiar with it, they consider PhotoShop as having a good UI instead of the reality of it having a familiar UI. Peace... Tom ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Install
GR Kumaran wrote: Hello, Can anyone give me the address or steps on how to install Gimp in MandrakeLinux? I had downloaded the RPM from Fedora, but I could not install it, when I do 'rpm -i ..'.Here the questions is, actually I am very new to Linux. So here I now request someone to help. Thanks, R. Kumaran You write that you have an Mandrake, and downloaded for Fedora. Normally it's recommended to pick a package for the distribution. -- mvh Mogens Jger ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] ImageMagick convert Scaling Common Options
What is the most common options used to scaling down an image that produce smallest byte size with some decent quality? convert -size 95x95 -resize 95x95 ifile.jpg ofile.jpg thanks __ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: GimpShop
Jonathan D Gibbons wrote: Now, what I think would be really wonderful along these lines would be a setup whereby The Gimp can be easily skinned to a rearranged UI like this. Personally, I'd prefer that the developers work on enhancing the tool rather than making the tool look pretty (ier). I'd suggest that if someone likes the idea of skins, they take up that project and do it. Then get it into the code. -- Until later, Geoffrey ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Install
On Sunday 03 April 2005 15:54, GR Kumaran wrote: Hello, Can anyone give me the address or steps on how to install Gimp in MandrakeLinux? I had downloaded the RPM from Fedora, but I could not install it, when I do 'rpm -i ..'.Here the questions is, actually I am very new to Linux. So here I now request someone to help. what version of Mandrake Linux? I had posted to this list a detailed explanation of how to build the GIMP forMa\ndrake 10.0 - I suppose you are on 10.1 - but that expanatio n would work fine for 10.1 and the newer GIMP - (of course, yu'd need newer versions of all the packages and apps listed). Alternatviely, you can search for an RPM for Mandrake 10.1 - thre should be one somewhere. regards, JS -- Thanks, R. Kumaran ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: GimpShop
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 22:46:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Jonathan D Gibbons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Gimp-user] Re: GimpShop
Now, what I think would be really wonderful along these lines would be a
setup whereby The Gimp can be easily skinned to a rearranged UI like
this.
That is a whole lot of maintainance work, way more than you might think.
I would hope optimistically that things could be adjusted to work well for
all kinds of users and I think it would be better to make efforts to
improve the defaults first (but developers will spend time on whatever
they are most interested in).
If it is possible to make these kinds of changes and enough people are
interested it will probably happen (like it just did) so it makes sense to
try and allow it (and do so in a way that can be maintained) rather than
telling people to fork if they do not like the user interface.
I think the point about finding menu items is worth considering but we
already deal with users in various langauges (and therefore different
lables for the same things) and I think this problem could be reduced if
the PDB Browser could be improved to allow users to search for things more
easily.
I have a custom version of PDB Browser that allows me to search by Name,
Summary ('cause blurb is too much common slang), Description and a bunch
of other fields too. (I'm not sure if I ever asked for the built in
version to be improved, for some reason I have a feeling I might have.)
That way, we can have a Gimp skin that is familiar to Photoshop users, a
Although it is not exactly the kind of skin you are talking about I would
like a GTK theme that had a nice triangular slider widget like in
Photoshop. (I suggested such a change to the ClearLooks theme for Gnome
but I haven't checked it recently to see if the idea was accepted.)
Sincerely
Alan Horkan
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Abiword http://www.abisource.com
Dia http://gnome.org/projects/dia/
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[Gimp-user] Gimp 2.2 crashes when Saving remotely-opened image
Hi, Running gimp 2.2 under gnome/Ubuntu Linux 5.04 i386. 1. File - Open Location, open image. 2. Edit as required. 3. File - Save as OR File- Save a Copy 4. Crash. Anyone else having this problem, and can anoyone offer a solution? Thanks, Nick ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Install
GR Kumaran wrote: Hello, Can anyone give me the address or steps on how to install Gimp in MandrakeLinux? I had downloaded the RPM from Fedora, but I could not install it, when I do 'rpm -i ..'.Here the questions is, actually I am very new to Linux. So here I now request someone to help. Thanks, R. Kumaran Try this link for the use of urpmi: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/UsingUrpmi Try this link to set up your media sources if you have not already done that: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/addmedia/ This link for a rpm source: http://rpm.pbone.net/ Hope this helps. Gary ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: GimpShop
Even with the Mnot bit? On Sun, Apr 03, 2005 at 10:57:11AM -0700, Tom Williams wrote: David Herman wrote: (snip) Not to disparrage the hard work that was put into this hack but... Let gimp be gimp and photoshop be photoshop. I completely agree. Peace... Tom ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: GimpShop
On Monday 04 April 2005 00:07, Eric Pierce wrote: Even with the Mnot bit? Obviously, in time, it should be: Gimp Is More than P. (just check CVS splash screen :-) ) On Sun, Apr 03, 2005 at 10:57:11AM -0700, Tom Williams wrote: David Herman wrote: (snip) Not to disparrage the hard work that was put into this hack but... Let gimp be gimp and photoshop be photoshop. I completely agree. Peace... Tom ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
