[Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name
Hi, Whileall othercredible opensource projects are gaining ground in a professional IT setting, the GIMP is being held back because of the instant derogatory impact of the name. If someone who can champion this task reads this, please humble yourself for the sake of this amazing software that some of us are embarrassed to promote, or simply won't until the name is changed. Thank you. Roland Hordos IT Manager ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
RE: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name
Hi Alan, Thanks for an intelligent and articulate response. I suspected the disconnect with reality, bringing me to post to the users list first instead of the developers'. Being a software developer and contributor to other open source projects, I understand the complexity issues. I also wish the community to grow past the selfishness of the proud consistent contributors. If only they could see it from outside, it'd be obvious. thanks again, Roland; -Original Message- From: Alan Horkan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 11:19 AM To: Roland Hordos Cc: gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Roland Hordos wrote: Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 06:54:48 -0600 From: Roland Hordos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU Subject: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name Hi, While all other credible opensource projects are gaining ground in a professional IT setting, the GIMP is being held back because of the instant derogatory impact of the name. If someone who can champion this task reads this, please humble yourself for the sake of this amazing software that some of us are embarrassed to promote, or simply won't until the name is changed. I agree (and have always agreed but continued to use the software nonetheless) however the changing of the name presents some difficulties. When this was brought up on previous occasions the developers did agree to try and emphasize the full title of the GNU Image Manipulation Program (GIMP) in future. The GNU General Public License (GPL) makes it entirely possible for distributions to make their own changes and many often do but so far most have resisted changing the name, probably due to the extra effort of maintaining such a change but if you suggest it to your preferred distribution you never know they might go ahead and do it. On the techincal side Sven Neumann has explained he does not wish to see the project renamed and will not accept patches to make it easier for third parties to change the name. http://www.advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/diary.html?start=144#gimp Perhaps his opinion has changed but at the time he wrote: I seriously doubt that the name is effectively keeping GIMP from being used. And I am all happy to ignore the very few people who are so narrow-minded as to having a problem with the name. http://www.mail-archive.com/gimp-developer%40lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/msg0 8677.html Sincerely Alan Horkan Inkscape http://inkscape.org Abiword http://www.abisource.com Open Clip Art http://OpenClipArt.org Alan's Diary http://advogato.org/person/AlanHorkan/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
RE: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name
For most people on this planet, GIMP doesn't have any special meaning. .. Thank you, I'll correct my original comment. Change that to say: While all other credible opensource projects are gaining ground in a professional IT setting, the GIMP is being held back in the English speaking world because of the instant derogatory impact of the name. Gimp is a term in common culture that refers to a disabled person in a demeaning way. can you proove your claim? Sigh. Try googling is gimp a derogatory term. If you read the sources at the first 10 hits and you still don't understand, then try the next 15000. Sven, coincidentally while I began to read your response I received a call from an engineering user here wanting to edit a scanned document with Paint or Photoshop. I can't justify the cost of photoshop for 100 desktops and paint is useless. I would install the GIMP software for him in a heartbeat if I didn't worry that he might be offended by the reference. Any corporate business environment has, or should have, this sense of decency. Roland; -Original Message- From: Sven Neumann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:05 PM To: Roland Hordos Cc: gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name Hi, On Fri, 2006-09-29 at 06:54 -0600, Roland Hordos wrote: While all other credible opensource projects are gaining ground in a professional IT setting, the GIMP is being held back because of the instant derogatory impact of the name. First of all, it's called GIMP, not the GIMP. Then, can you proove your claim? I very much doubt that you can because it's just FUD. For most people on this planet, GIMP doesn't have any special meaning. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
RE: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name
True, so here goes for my case: .. professional IT setting, whatever that is. .. Windows desktops for Administration, Accounting, Drafting, Engineering, and Executive personnel. .. Novell, Inc. .. as part of their enterprise OS. .. Not user facing. It's a Windows world, let's be honest. I run Linux on every server except 2, but servers don't need graphic editors. Thanks for the clarification. Sorry if I misinterpreted your point Sven. Roland; -Original Message- From: Jakub Steiner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 2:08 PM To: Roland Hordos Cc: Sven Neumann; gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU Subject: RE: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name On Fri, 2006-09-29 at 12:38 -0600, Roland Hordos wrote: can you proove your claim? Sigh. Try googling is gimp a derogatory term. If you read the sources at the first 10 hits and you still don't understand, then try the next 15000. Hi Roland, what Sven possibly meant here was for you to prove that the name GIMP is a reason why the product isn't used in a professional IT setting, whatever that is. I have been using GIMP professionally for over 5 years and Novell, Inc. for example doesn't have a problem selling it as part of their enterprise OS. cheers -- Jakub Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
RE: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name
Unreal. Okay, here in Canada the google search I indicated brings up the following in order of top ranking: 1) The first is this link where someone with Cerebral Palsy is discussing the term Gimp and other derogatory terms http://www.flspinalcord.us/FSCIRC-Directors-Blog.cfm 2) The second link hits Wikipedia, with the very first part of the excerpt on the search indicating Gimp is usually a derogatory term .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimp_(sadomasochism) 3) The third link goes to The Linux Advocate blog where the author is comparing Gimp vs. Photoshop and what do you suppose is the first item on his list .. The Name. http://thelinuxadvocate.blogspot.com/2006/08/gimp-vs-photoshop-what-stil l-needs-to.html These go on and on, but perhaps it's only a North American cultural effect. My point remains the same. Yosh, with an e-mail address at gimp.org I'd count you on the side of proud long term or regular contributor who is simply not going to see any other side. If you can point out a single commercial product that has mass use in North America that has a derogatory term in it's title, I'll withdraw my critique and be gone. I consider the quality of the GIMP on par with much commercial software, but it has an image problem (pun however you want it). Roland; -Original Message- From: Manish Singh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Manish Singh Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 2:46 PM To: Roland Hordos Cc: Sven Neumann; gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 12:38:02PM -0600, Roland Hordos wrote: can you proove your claim? Sigh. Try googling is gimp a derogatory term. If you read the sources at the first 10 hits and you still don't understand, then try the next 15000. That is not proof. Search for just plain gimp on any major search engine, and the majority of the links refer to this project. In fact, changing the name of the project would hurt adoption more, by giving up search engine presence, and having a fairly easy to remember four letter name as a search term to begin with. Sven, coincidentally while I began to read your response I received a call from an engineering user here wanting to edit a scanned document with Paint or Photoshop. I can't justify the cost of photoshop for 100 desktops and paint is useless. I would install the GIMP software for him in a heartbeat if I didn't worry that he might be offended by the reference. Any corporate business environment has, or should have, this sense of decency. Most corporate business environments would be in violation of their terms of governence by rejecting potential cost-savings solely on nebulous claims such as this. You probably should be reprimanded for this behavior. -Yosh ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
