Re: [Gimp-user] export vs save
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:54:41AM +0100, Daniel Hornung wrote: I can't believe this was not brought up by someone already... https://xkcd.com/1172/ So, okay: should the response to that person be: - You should get longer fingers or: - Okay, so you won't be able to do that anymore, but here's how to remap keys in a supported way which will get you want you want ? -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org http://mattdm.org/ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] import vs open
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Daniel Hauck wrote: There needs to be an FAQ about GiMP which covers this topic and all arguments to date. I too say, let it go. WIP Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] export vs save
On Feb 19, 2013 7:31 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org wrote: On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:54:41AM +0100, Daniel Hornung wrote: I can't believe this was not brought up by someone already... https://xkcd.com/1172/ So, okay: should the response to that person be: - You should get longer fingers or: - Okay, so you won't be able to do that anymore, but here's how to remap keys in a supported way which will get you want you want Or No, that's not supported anymore. I don't use the word flippantly, but it seems odd to me how many users seem to feel devs owe them something (explanations, time, respect). Where's that entitlement come from? ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] Wacom Tablet problems
I have the following problem with wacom tablet and GIMP 2.8.4 (win XP sp3): a) Can't drag the guide inside canvas image (vertical and horizontal). Mouse works well. b) Can't use Text tool (text dialog disappear when try to click on canvas). Mouse works well. Any info or help on these problems? cameyo AVVISO IMPORTANTE: Questo messaggio di posta elettronica pu? contenere informazioni confidenziali, pertanto ? destinato solo a persone autorizzate alla ricezione. I messaggi di posta elettronica per i client di Regione Marche possono contenere informazioni confidenziali e con privilegi legali. Se non si ? il destinatario specificato, non leggere, copiare, inoltrare o archiviare questo messaggio. Se si ? ricevuto questo messaggio per errore, inoltrarlo al mittente ed eliminarlo completamente dal sistema del proprio computer. Ai sensi dell'art. 6 della DGR n. 1394/2008 si segnala che, in caso di necessit? ed urgenza, la risposta al presente messaggio di posta elettronica pu? essere visionata da persone estranee al destinatario. IMPORTANT NOTICE: This e-mail message is intended to be received only by persons entitled to receive the confidential information it may contain. E-mail messages to clients of Regione Marche may contain information that is confidential and legally privileged. Please do not read, copy, forward, or store this message unless you are an intended recipient of it. If you have received this message in error, please forward it to the sender and delete it completely from your computer system. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] Creating Transparent Text
I apologize if this goes out twice. I believe my first effort bounced. On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net wrote: It's usually better just to have an opaque signature: it's harder to remove and can become a part of the artwork. Browsing and reading this I'm reminded of my problem w/signature brush. Several years ago, I made a brush by signing my name in black ink onto a white paper and scanning that paper. I use it unobtrusively in bottom right corner when I print photos to frame for gallery showings. The problem is this: I can't remember how I made the background transparent. I have about 12 sig brushes which are no good because with all of them, I used an eraser to get the white background off -- messy. I know there is a good method of doing this -- I did it years ago -- but I've tried many times over many months, and can't recall how I made the signature black with transparent background. Does my question make sense? How is that done? (The brush I made successfully has my name with 2008, and I just erase the date every time I use it, but I'd like to know how to do it again and do it right.) -- Helen Etters using Linux, suse 12 ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Creating Transparent Text
Am 19.02.2013 17:33, schrieb Helen: I apologize if this goes out twice. I believe my first effort bounced. On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net mailto:l...@holoweb.net wrote: It's usually better just to have an opaque signature: it's harder to remove and can become a part of the artwork. Browsing and reading this I'm reminded of my problem w/signature brush. Several years ago, I made a brush by signing my name in black ink onto a white paper and scanning that paper. I use it unobtrusively in bottom right corner when I print photos to frame for gallery showings. The problem is this: I can't remember how I made the background transparent. I have about 12 sig brushes which are no good because with all of them, I used an eraser to get the white background off -- messy. I know there is a good method of doing this -- I did it years ago -- but I've tried many times over many months, and can't recall how I made the signature black with transparent background. Does my question make sense? How is that done? (The brush I made successfully has my name with 2008, and I just erase the date every time I use it, but I'd like to know how to do it again and do it right.) -- Helen Etters using Linux, suse 12 ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list Color - Color to Transparency Gunold (Did you see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50sAOfg8hnU ) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Creating Transparent Text
On 02/19/2013 11:56 AM, Gunold Brunbauer wrote: Color - Color to Transparency a.k.a. Colors Color to Alpha :o) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Creating Transparent Text
I guess I need more detail. I've done this, and I'm attaching the result. In case attachments aren't allowed, or you can't see it, I'll tell you that there is messy white space all the way around the sig. The steps I took were to open the scanned sig, copy, paste as brush, and then used it to sign a pix. White mess all around. Thanks for any help - I think I just need more detail. On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Steve Kinney ad...@pilobilus.net wrote: On 02/19/2013 11:56 AM, Gunold Brunbauer wrote: Color - Color to Transparency a.k.a. Colors Color to Alpha :o) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list -- Helen Etters using Linux, suse11.4 sig13.xcf Description: Binary data ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Creating Transparent Text
Sorry!!! I can't see to do this in one mailing! I did do the color - color to alpha before I did the copy/paste as brush. Thanks for your patience. On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Helen etter...@gmail.com wrote: I guess I need more detail. I've done this, and I'm attaching the result. In case attachments aren't allowed, or you can't see it, I'll tell you that there is messy white space all the way around the sig. The steps I took were to open the scanned sig, copy, paste as brush, and then used it to sign a pix. White mess all around. Thanks for any help - I think I just need more detail. On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Steve Kinney ad...@pilobilus.netwrote: On 02/19/2013 11:56 AM, Gunold Brunbauer wrote: Color - Color to Transparency a.k.a. Colors Color to Alpha :o) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list -- Helen Etters using Linux, suse11.4 -- Helen Etters using Linux, suse11.4 ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] import vs open
On 02/19/2013 10:59 AM, Daniel Hauck wrote: On 02/18/2013 10:09 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote: On Mon, 2013-02-18 at 14:06 -0600, Chris Mohler wrote: Current File-Open makes sense as it is, at least to me. File-Save made sense to people too. But if GIMP is an XCF editor that can only save xcf files, being able to open non-xcf files is an obvious bug, a hole in the metaphor. It should only open xcf files. Non-GIMP files are imported to emphasize the data loss and that they are not primary. That was my argument as well. In fact, and I'm not sure if they fixed this yet, but in 2.8.0, when you do the Save As... you could still see image files such as JPG and PNG, just not save in those formats. And of course if you manually typed it in, it would stop and say you can't do that. That Save/Save As has been established since the creation of the the standard GUI behaviors is not relevant to the developers. It's not professional despite the fact that the most professional tools out there still do it this way. In any case, #1 it's hard to care about this any more... it doesn't matter THAT much. I can still use it and I just have to remember this All this scares the professional users. Now, the objective of Gimp seems to stay in the fields of amateur and therefore to delegate the role of single photo$hop image editor for professionals. This is a questionable approach It's not a good choice. From historical point of view, these are professionals who improve the software, not the fans. Example, the devil, Photo$hop ... Greetings -- Maderios Art is meant to disturb. Science reassures. L'art est fait pour troubler. La science rassure (Georges Braque) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] import vs open
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Daniel Hauck wrote: That Save/Save As has been established since the creation of the the standard GUI behaviors is not relevant to the developers. It's not professional despite the fact that the most professional tools out there still do it this way. In a parallel universe? Maybe. Please discuss myths elsewhere. Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Creating Transparent Text
I've created a quick screencap. Hopefully, this will clear any misunderstandings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXKPKMiUko8 bw, Tobias Lunte//Tobl Am 19.02.2013 18:22, schrieb Helen: I guess I need more detail. I've done this, and I'm attaching the result. In case attachments aren't allowed, or you can't see it, I'll tell you that there is messy white space all the way around the sig. The steps I took were to open the scanned sig, copy, paste as brush, and then used it to sign a pix. White mess all around. Thanks for any help - I think I just need more detail. On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Steve Kinney ad...@pilobilus.net mailto:ad...@pilobilus.net wrote: On 02/19/2013 11:56 AM, Gunold Brunbauer wrote: Color - Color to Transparency a.k.a. Colors Color to Alpha :o) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org mailto:gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list -- Helen Etters using Linux, suse11.4 ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Free licenses by gimp ?
On 14 February 2013 16:17, Steve Kinney ad...@pilobilus.net wrote: On 02/14/2013 12:39 PM, Simon Budig wrote: Hi Henrik. A Gain Crayon License (lice...@againcrayon.com) wrote: Can you confirm that your license is free for end user and for professional use ? Yes. You might have to take a bit of care if you want to redistribute Gimp, especially when you modify it first. But the license does not contain any restrictions regarding the use of the software. If you need to document this for an employer: http://www.gimp.org/about/ This page includes a link to a copy of the GNU Public License v.2: http://www.gimp.org/about/COPYING EK! GPL v. 2? GIMP has been GPL v. 3 or later for a couple of years now. That page should really be updated. js -- :o) Steve ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] import vs open
Now, the objective of Gimp seems to stay in the fields of amateur and therefore to delegate the role of single photo$hop image editor for professionals. BS! I would posit that amateurs invoke DESTRUCTIVE editing techniques(because they don't know any better) while professionals do the strive for the NON-DESTRUCTIVE techniques(or should). One of the main feature goals of Gimp is to get to a point, over the next several release versions, of non destructive editing. This save/export feature change is but one step in a series of releases to enforce this philosophy(as much as possible.) You STILL have the option of destroying the original image file, but now you are forced to provide your consent by performing an explicit export as opposed to the previous open, edit, save in prior versions. You may be a professional, but even professional's are human and make mistakes. While I am not a professional, I have made plenty of mistakes which destroyed the original image(though most of the time in a recoverable way..but not always), this new workflow totally prevents this as an accident and this is a good thing. As a potential client, knowing what I know right now, I would NEVER, EVER, EVER work with any professional who overwrites the original image file with his edits... no matter how good he/she thi nk they are they are human and it's a hell of a lot easier to NOT destroy the original than it is to fix it after its been damaged. Since I and a few others have noted this previously, could you please signal that you understand the reasoning? I don't expect you to necessarily accept it to be accurately reflect your opinions on the matter or that you agree, only that you *understand*. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Free licenses by gimp ?
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:11 PM, Joao S. O. Bueno gwid...@mpc.com.br wrote: This page includes a link to a copy of the GNU Public License v.2: http://www.gimp.org/about/COPYING EK! GPL v. 2? GIMP has been GPL v. 3 or later for a couple of years now. That page should really be updated. Fixed in Git and, with luck, on the server. Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Free licenses by gimp ?
On 02/19/2013 02:11 PM, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote: EK! GPL v. 2? GIMP has been GPL v. 3 or later for a couple of years now. That page should really be updated. js -- Actually that was my error. The relevant page is: http://www.gimp.org/about/COPYING :o) Steve ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] samjcreations gone?
[Sorry if duplicate; got weird error from Thunderbird -- which disappeared too fast to read -- something about try again later.] I had (at my own snail's pace) been downloading, compiling myself and installing various Gimp plugins for Win7x64 from: http://samjcreations.blogspot.com/2011/12/liste-des-greffons-compiles-pour-gimp.html Today I went back to browse the 64-bit plugins and the site has been shut down! Everything is gone! (And although the wayback machine has archived some of the pages, of course the downloads are not archived.) Has this been archived and/or moved? If not, I will be really disappointed. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] samjcreations gone?
According this her comments some reorganisation is going on: http://gimpchat.com/viewtopic.php?f=7t=6441#p80135 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 13:38:38 -0600 From: dave_bodens...@sbcglobal.net To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org Subject: [Gimp-user] samjcreations gone? [Sorry if duplicate; got weird error from Thunderbird -- which disappeared too fast to read -- something about try again later.] I had (at my own snail's pace) been downloading, compiling myself and installing various Gimp plugins for Win7x64 from: http://samjcreations.blogspot.com/2011/12/liste-des-greffons-compiles-pour-gimp.html Today I went back to browse the 64-bit plugins and the site has been shut down! Everything is gone! (And although the wayback machine has archived some of the pages, of course the downloads are not archived.) Has this been archived and/or moved? If not, I will be really disappointed. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Creating Transparent Text
On 02/19/2013 01:37 PM, Burnie West wrote: It looks to me like the original signature scan had the artifacts around it. Same here - and very low resolution. The signature itself is only 64 x 142 pixels, and the artifacts look like they could have come from scaling an earlier copy in an indexed format. If possible I would start over with a new signature and scan, at 300 DPI or above, with black ink on white paper. Then, applying the filter Colors Color to Alpha would produce a much more acceptable result. The more uniform the color and texture of the paper (or etc.) used, the more certain the result. Or you could go in a whole other direction, make a vector path from the available signature, stroke it with an oblong brush with its angle and hardness tweaked, and use the result. This would be a typical part of creating a logo from a signature. Just for an exercise, I did that: http://pilobilus.net/xfer/helen.zip Picture worth way more than a thousand words. :o) Steve ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Creating Transparent Text
Thank you! I'm going through it now. Open Source users are such a generous lot! Thanks On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Tobias Lunte tobias.lu...@hfg-gmuend.dewrote: I've created a quick screencap. Hopefully, this will clear any misunderstandings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXKPKMiUko8 bw, Tobias Lunte//Tobl Am 19.02.2013 18:22, schrieb Helen: I guess I need more detail. I've done this, and I'm attaching the result. In case attachments aren't allowed, or you can't see it, I'll tell you that there is messy white space all the way around the sig. The steps I took were to open the scanned sig, copy, paste as brush, and then used it to sign a pix. White mess all around. Thanks for any help - I think I just need more detail. On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Steve Kinney ad...@pilobilus.netwrote: On 02/19/2013 11:56 AM, Gunold Brunbauer wrote: Color - Color to Transparency a.k.a. Colors Color to Alpha :o) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list -- Helen Etters using Linux, suse11.4 ___ gimp-user-list mailing listgimp-user-list@gnome.orghttps://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list -- Helen Etters using Linux, suse11.4 ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Creating Transparent Text
Wow! I've never done a vector path, but what you did is so clear and clean that I only wish I had not cropped off my last name before sending the file! Is vector path a gimp tool? I'll look it up. Something new to learn. Thank you! Helen On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Steve Kinney ad...@pilobilus.net wrote: On 02/19/2013 01:37 PM, Burnie West wrote: It looks to me like the original signature scan had the artifacts around it. Same here - and very low resolution. The signature itself is only 64 x 142 pixels, and the artifacts look like they could have come from scaling an earlier copy in an indexed format. If possible I would start over with a new signature and scan, at 300 DPI or above, with black ink on white paper. Then, applying the filter Colors Color to Alpha would produce a much more acceptable result. The more uniform the color and texture of the paper (or etc.) used, the more certain the result. Or you could go in a whole other direction, make a vector path from the available signature, stroke it with an oblong brush with its angle and hardness tweaked, and use the result. This would be a typical part of creating a logo from a signature. Just for an exercise, I did that: http://pilobilus.net/xfer/helen.zip Picture worth way more than a thousand words. :o) Steve ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list -- Helen Etters using Linux, suse11.4 ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Creating Transparent Text
On 02/19/2013 04:26 PM, Helen wrote: Wow! I've never done a vector path, but what you did is so clear and clean that I only wish I had not cropped off my last name before sending the file! Is vector path a gimp tool? I'll look it up. Something new to learn. Thank you! I was looking for excuses to do exercises with the GIMP, part of getting used to the new interface. Among the many improvements in 2.8, nodes and paths - in both the Lasso a.k.a. Free Select tool, and the Path drawing tool, are easier to SEE against the background of the image on canvas. Yay! The Paths Tool in the GIMP is its built in vector drawing tool. The toolbox button that turns it on looks like a pen nib. There is also a dockable dialog for managing paths, where they are handled in a way similar to Layers. This dock includes push button commands to convert selections to paths, paths to selections, and has the stroke tool for painting along paths - using the current brush, or as a line with adjustable options. Making paths in the GIMP is a portable skill: The same type of editing interface - bezier curves - is also found in full time vector editors like Inkscape, and in CAD programs. Drawing with nodes and handles has a moderate learning curve, but I think it's well worth the effort. The signature took just a few minutes to make, using the sample provided as a guide. I went looking for tutorials to point at, but came up mostly empty. Grokking The GIMP, where I learned the basics, is getting very obsolete - the Paths dock dialog and etc. have changed a lot since it was written for GIMP 1.x. With that caveat: http://gimp-savvy.com/BOOK/index.html?node36.html (See Subsection 3.1.1.4 Bezier Paths) This video provides a run through with GIMP 2.8 that should get anybody well started on their own experimentation with GIMP curves. Major clue: To adjust node handles symmetrically, hold down the shift key! Otherwise they move independently. http://jimmac.musichall.cz/demos/gimp/paths-tool2.avi Note: I don't know why this video shows the use of Transform tools on the canvas; you can't Transform vector paths in the GIMP, as far as I know. To make sense of the cube part, see: http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Drawing_Shapes/ :o) Steve ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
