Re: [Gimp-user] A plug-in for those who still don't like the new Save/Export
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:23 AM, maderios mader...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Explanation: this plugin simplifies the life of people who use Gimp as a working tool. Best regards. Please. I'm almost certain it was written to stop all the whining. I Save As every hour or so and bump the version, but still - there's nothing quite as awful as accidentally discarding all of your layers, masks, paths, channels, etc. from your working tool. Chris ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] A plug-in for those who still don't like the new Save/Export
maderios writes: The Akkana script https://github.com/akkana/gimp-plugins/blob/master/save-export-clean.py works well now. For those who haven't used sites like Github before: be sure to click on Raw before saving the plug-in to your plug-ins directory. minhsien0330 writes: After testing it I found this plug-in will not export the background layer to save. Interesting! Thanks for the clear steps -- I see the same thing you do. I had wondered why the PDB call gimp-file-save required a drawable (layer) argument. It looks like, when exporting to formats like jpeg which can't handle multiple layers, gimp-file-save uses that argument to decide which layer to save. That also explains why, in GIMP 2.6 and earlier, we had to go through that extra step of flattening the image if it had multiple layers before it could be saved to jpeg. To get around that, the plug-in would probably have to have some of extra logic: if (the image has multiple layers) look up target file type to see if the format supports that if not supported: save context for undo, or make a duplicate image flatten the image save it undo the flatten or delete the duplicate image I don't know of a way using the GIMP pdb to look up whether a particular file format needs flattening. So the plug-in might have to maintain its own table of formats. I had been thinking about this plug-in as something for people who edit a png or jpg or whatever, make a simple change and re-save it. I figured that when someone starts adding extra layers, they'd actually prefer the save as xcf, export a copy to jpg model ... at least, that's my own workflow. Do you think there are a lot of people who use multiple layers yet save as jpg? Besides, how do I setup the exported jpg quality? The defualt jpeg output quality of Save/Export Clean seems very low. That's a good question, and might require more research. At first I assumed it was following my default settings for the jpeg plug-in. If you export to JPG and get the dialog, you can click on Save Settings after adjusting the Quality slider. But GIMP doesn't actually seem to save those settings -- I find that whatever I adjust them to, my jpg quality settings end up at 90, whether I actually set the default higher or lower than that. That might be a bug -- if so, we should probably move to the gimp-developer list to find out (CCing). I'll do more testing before filing one, but it seems odd that quality keeps ending up at 90 and I don't seem to be able to change it. ...Akkana ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] A plug-in for those who still don't like the new Save/Export
minhsien0330 writes: Besides, how do I setup the exported jpg quality? The defualt jpeg output quality of Save/Export Clean seems very low. Akkana Peck writes: I find that whatever I adjust them to, my jpg quality settings end up at 90, whether I actually set the default higher or lower than that. Turns out that's a known bug that has already been fixed in the GIMP 2.8 tree. ...Akkana ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] A plug-in for those who still don't like the new Save/Export
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Akkana Peck akk...@shallowsky.com wrote: wouldn't it be more simple to flatten everything rather than ... ? It wouldn't make you very happy after you saved an XCF and tried to reopen it ... some formats DO support layers. :-) How about: - Duplicate image - Flatten duplicate - Save - Destroy duplicate Chris ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] A plug-in for those who still don't like the new Save/Export
Chris Mohler writes: On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Akkana Peck akk...@shallowsky.com wrote: wouldn't it be more simple to flatten everything rather than ... ? It wouldn't make you very happy after you saved an XCF and tried to reopen it ... some formats DO support layers. :-) How about: - Duplicate image - Flatten duplicate - Save - Destroy duplicate That was exactly one of the two options I just described. and if you're saving to XCF, you'll end up with a flattened XCF that's lost all the layer info. Sure, it's fine if you only use the plug-in for exporting to JPG, and use Save for XCF. But then you probably wouldn't want to bind it to Ctrl-S. ...Akkana ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] A plug-in for those who still don't like the new Save/Export
On 08/17/2012 09:55 PM, Partha Bagchi wrote: Maderios See if this script helps you. An old script written by Rob Antonishen: http://ffaat.pointclark.net/incoming/scripts/save_and_export.scm Hi The Akkana script https://github.com/akkana/gimp-plugins/blob/master/save-export-clean.py works well now. Greetings -- Maderios ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] A plug-in for those who still don't like the new Save/Export
On 08/17/2012 09:24 PM, Akkana Peck wrote: maderios writes: Hi Thanks for this post. This plug-in doesn't work for me (Debian Wheezy) I put it in /usr/lib/gimp/2.0/plug-ins/ chmod 755 What is it doing, or not doing? Doesn't work doesn't give me much to go on to figure out what needs fixing. ...Akkana Hi It means I can't see any change in the menu. I can't see any change concerning save and save as. Greetings -- Maderios ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] A plug-in for those who still don't like the new Save/Export
Hi Thanks for this post. This plug-in doesn't work for me (Debian Wheezy) I put it in /usr/lib/gimp/2.0/plug-ins/ chmod 755 Regards Maderios On 08/11/2012 10:39 PM, Akkana Peck wrote: Yet another thread about Save vs. Export this morning. I guess it's time to post this. Early on in the discussions, I posted something saying, basically, I don't like the new model either, but I'm going to work with it for a while and see if I continue to feel that way. But if I do, it's easy enough to write a plug-in that does what you want Save to do, perhaps involving gimp-file-save, and bind it to Ctrl-S. Well, actually I've found it surprisingly easy to adapt to using ctrl-E instead of ctrl-S. It's only a minor irritation that I have to ignore the you have unsaved images when I quit (and that I can no longer use it to tell me whether I *really* have unsaved images). But obviously a lot of people on the mailing lists are having a lot more trouble adapting. So yesterday I looked into the plug-in idea. And found out it was trivial. Aside from registering the plug-in, all you really need are two lines of Python: pdb.gimp_file_save(img, drawable, img.filename, img.filename) pdb.gimp_image_clean_all(img) The first line saves the image back to its current filename. (The gimp-file-save PDB call still handles all types, not just XCF.) The second line marks the image as clean, so you don't see an unsaved image warning when you quit. Since these are both PDB calls, you could also do them in Script-Fu. Of course, I couldn't just stop there -- I wanted it to handle images that didn't have filenames yet. For those, I couldn't use the standard GIMP save-as dialog, because as far as I can tell, there's no way to call that dialog from a plug-in. So it uses the standard GTK save-as dialog, and it starts in whatever directory is most prevalent in your currently open images. The dialog part isn't doable in Script-Fu, I don't think (which is why I used Python). Anyway, the Python plug-in is available here: https://github.com/akkana/gimp-plugins/blob/master/save-export-clean.py It shows up as File-Save/Export clean. Lousy name. Feel free to suggest a better one. Use at your own risk. I haven't tested it much. It WILL OVERWRITE the image file, without any warnings or confirmation dialogs. If you decide you like it, you can bind it to Ctrl-S. Or whatever. Now can we move on and talk about gegl graphs and improving the brush UI? :-) Alexandre Prokoudine writes (in response to the latest save-export thread): By the way, what does it take to make you less sour a more broad-minded and positive thinking? Would a mug of cocoa and a bun do the trick, perhaps? That sounds lovely, Alexandre. I think I'll go make some. ...Akkana ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] A plug-in for those who still don't like the new Save/Export
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:39:52 -0700 Akkana Peck wrote: Now can we move on and talk about gegl graphs and improving the brush UI? :-) Or even making widely used plugins like 8bf work in Gimp - Richard. -- Richard Kimber Political Science Resources http://www.PoliticsResources.net/ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] A plug-in for those who still don't like the new Save/Export
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 7:20 PM, R Kimber wrote: Or even making widely used plugins like 8bf work in Gimp Are you by any chance referring to the PSPI plug-in? Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list Alexandre, All Photoshop plugins filters have the extension 8bf? ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] A plug-in for those who still don't like the new Save/Export
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Partha Bagchi wrote: Alexandre, All Photoshop plugins filters have the extension 8bf? Nope. There's also 8bi and others. See the beginning of http://www.fileinfo.com/filetypes/plugin. 8bf is the only supported format because it's the only one Tor had documentation for. Adobe published some specs for its file formats since then, but nothing on filters as far as I can tell. Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list OK, but Wiki says that 8bf are Photoshop plug-in filters. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8bf#Plugin_types :) Anyway, not relevant to the overall discussion about Akkana's plugin. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
