Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-15 Thread KevinO
On 06/14/2013 02:34 PM, Steve Kinney wrote: Every time people insist on cluttering the list up with weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth over Save vs. Export, it is... +1 -- KevinO ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-15 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 15.06.2013 04:34, Helen wrote: I work with agents for my art galleries. One of my agents wants everything sent as jpeg so I send her what she wants. One wants .tif so I send her what she wants. Juried exhibits ask for jpeg (I don't know why) So you need multiple exports from the same

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-15 Thread Francesco Scaglioni
Repeat after me : Alt-F A, ctrl-s, ctrl-s (repeat as needed), shift-ctrl-e, close. Hardly rocket science and needs about 15 minutes for mucles memory to cut in. Jusy my 2d worth, F xx --- Apologies for brevity, top posting and poor citation.This email was sent from a mobile device. ---

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread .
No less than six digests were waiting to be read this morning, almost entirely cluttered with this nonsense. How much do I pay for the Gimp? Nothing. Am I delighted with it? Yes! Does it require any effort to get used to using ctrlE and ctrlS ? No - a child would make less fuss than some of the

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread .
From: Helen etter...@gmail.com snip I work with agents for my art galleries. One of my agents wants everything sent as jpeg so I send her what she wants. One wants .tif so I send her what she wants. Juried exhibits ask for jpeg (I don't know why but this change adds hours to a job that

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Ron
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:32:45 +0100 . traml...@gmail.com wrote: How much do I pay for the Gimp? Nothing. Am I delighted with it? Yes! Glad to hear you are. Does it require any effort to get used to using ctrlE and ctrlS ? No - a child would make less fuss than some of the posters to this

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Stephen Allen
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 11:32:45AM +0100, . wrote: No less than six digests were waiting to be read this morning, almost entirely cluttered with this nonsense. How much do I pay for the Gimp? Nothing. Am I delighted with it? Yes! Does it require any effort to get used to using ctrlE and

[Gimp-user] Technical issues with recent mails (was: Re: A sad case of regression ?)

2013-06-15 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi there, I'd like to point of some issues with a few of the recent mails: 1. Broken threading Some users apparently reply with mail software which breaks threads, e.g. does not add In-Reply-To: / References: headers to sent messages. This starts a new thread for that message. Users 'Crew'

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi all I not often write here, but I'm a regular user of gimp. But I slowly get upset by some mails here On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 11:32:45AM +0100, . wrote: No less than six digests were waiting to be read this morning, almost entirely cluttered with this nonsense. How much do I pay for

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Ofnuts
On 06/15/2013 01:36 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: This is a bit rich, coming from the country where we hear they are still whingeing about Decimalization and Metrication ;-3) Well, at least went metric, they didn't remain overly attached to their old warty version of a measurement system

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Joseph A. Nagy, Jr
On 06/15/13 07:30, Ofnuts wrote: On 06/15/2013 01:36 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: This is a bit rich, coming from the country where we hear they are still whingeing about Decimalization and Metrication ;-3) Well, at least went metric, they didn't remain overly attached to their old warty

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Ron
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:29:37 +0100 . traml...@gmail.com wrote: I fail to understand why using ctrlshiftE rather than ctrlshiftS adds any time at all to your work. Not the time, but the annoyance at the stupidity of being told my file has not been saved, when I have just saved it back to its

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Ron
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 08:18:37 -0500 Joseph A. Nagy, Jr jnagyjr1...@gmail.com wrote: Well, at least went metric, they didn't remain overly attached to their old warty version of a measurement system :) Actually they still use imperial measurements as well. The conversion over to metric

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread maderios
On 06/15/2013 02:28 PM, Norbert Preining wrote: Hi all I not often write here, but I'm a regular user of gimp. But I slowly get upset by some mails here First: I am myself developer of open source projects as well as Debian developer, so not some casual user. These bullying emails are just

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Ron
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 15:57:57 +0200 maderios mader...@gmail.com wrote: This strange save, save as behaviour could not exist in a professional environment. A professional (and many amateurs) user know he has to save his work. I think Gimp-2.8 tries to do instead of the user that it should do

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-15 Thread Richard Gitschlag
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:30:43 +0200 From: schum...@gmx.de To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ? . . . That's not perfect yet - for example, you lose the undo history . . . How often is Undo history ACTUALLY needed by the user, beyond fixing a

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-15 Thread Richard Gitschlag
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 02:02:58 +0400 From: alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression. On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 1:55 AM, Psiweapon wrote: Excuse me, Alexandre, but you're being DISMISSIVE AS HELL here. Yes, I am.

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread maderios
On 06/15/2013 04:38 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 15:57:57 +0200 maderios mader...@gmail.com wrote: This strange save, save as behaviour could not exist in a professional environment. A professional (and many amateurs) user know he has to save his work. I think Gimp-2.8

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-15 Thread Helen
It would take too long a message to do justice to your question, but a quick version goes something like My agent sends a jpg of the card she plans to mail out, asking me to edit. I edit, save to jpg becasue tha's what she wants, and it has now disappeared off my screen. I open it again to make

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-15 Thread Tom Williams
On 06/14/2013 08:14 PM, Helen wrote: It would take too long a message to do justice to your question, but a quick version goes something like My agent sends a jpg of the card she plans to mail out, asking me to edit. I edit, save to jpg becasue tha's what she wants, and it has now disappeared

[Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Grue
Hi all I not often write here, but I'm a regular user of gimp. But I slowly get upset by some mails here First: I am myself developer of open source projects as well as Debian developer, so not some casual user. These bullying emails are just plain rubbish. Software should be written with the

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Chris Mohler
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Renaud OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote: I fail to understand why using ctrlshiftE rather than ctrlshiftS adds any time at all to your work. Not the time, but the annoyance at the stupidity of being told my file has not been saved, when I have

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Daniel Smith
well, i gotta say, that were i ever to actually use the gimp in any heavy capacity, or a company i worked at would, these saving lists would be required reading due to the variety of formats/procedures detailed. thanks, i guess. :) dan On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Chris Mohler

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Chris Mohler
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Norbert Preining prein...@logic.at wrote: These bullying emails are just plain rubbish. Software should be written with the users in mind. And - opening a jpg file - editing - saving should result in a saved version of yhe original file, because that is what

[Gimp-user] Rescale Tool - Layer Mask Added

2013-06-15 Thread Andrew Bridget
When you try to rescale a layer using the Rescale Tool with a layer mask active, it scales of the mask, likewise if you select the layer it will scale the layer. Can I select both the layer and layer mask and scale the layer, thus it keeps the layer mask showing the desired masked area only.

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Daniel Hauck
On 06/15/2013 01:53 PM, Grue wrote: Wow, just wow. Here are the facts: every time you save your image as JPEG, you lose information. It is by design a lossy image format that uses an algorithm to conserve your disk space via throwing away some insignificant information (which works well for

Re: [Gimp-user] Rescale Tool - Layer Mask Added

2013-06-15 Thread Daniel Hauck
Taking the obvious approach, I always just duplicate a layer and make it not visible. That way, I can use the copied layer again in other ways. Simple. On 06/15/2013 03:24 PM, Andrew Bridget wrote: When you try to rescale a layer using the Rescale Tool with a layer mask active, it scales

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-15 Thread Helen
Your steps are pretty much the same as mine. The misunderstanding Iguess is that, after I export, the .jpg file disappears. Yes, the original image is there, with all it's layers and that is good, but at this point, I am finished with the .xcf file and I want to see the jpg. But it is gone, so

Re: [Gimp-user] Rescale Tool - Layer Mask Added

2013-06-15 Thread Andrew Bridget
Thanks, it is that's a very simple way, and is the way I currently work. I just thought the logically way would have been to scale a active masked layer as seen with the mask active. On 15/06/2013 20:29, Daniel Hauck wrote: Taking the obvious approach, I always just duplicate a layer and make

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-15 Thread Helen
When you make an edit on the image and you export it, the JPEG doesn't disappear and the edited image still shows in the image window. It's that you want to see the _exported_ JPEG file to confirm the export resulted in the JPEG file you wanted to create for the client I think you're

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Helen
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 11:53 PM, Helen wrote: Here are the facts: every time you save your image as JPEG, you lose information. It is by design a lossy image format Exactly! We should not

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Helen wrote: Exactly! We should not have to keep opening these files! They should stay on my screen until I finish with them. But noone's forcing you to close them. Are you kidding? Nope. When I export, it closes! It shouldn't and it never did so

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Joseph A. Nagy, Jr
On 06/15/13 15:19, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Helen wrote: Exactly! We should not have to keep opening these files! They should stay on my screen until I finish with them. But noone's forcing you to close them. Are you kidding? Nope. When I

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Tom Williams
On 06/15/2013 01:19 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Helen wrote: Exactly! We should not have to keep opening these files! They should stay on my screen until I finish with them. But noone's forcing you to close them. Are you kidding? Nope. When I

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Simon Budig
Tom Williams (tomd...@comcast.net) wrote: I'm thinking Helen is referring to the JPEG preview window that opens, during the JPEG export process.After the JPEG export is done, the preview window closes since the file's been saved. However, the separate window only shows up when one is

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 15.06.2013 22:21, Tom Williams wrote: On 06/15/2013 01:19 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: There's something crazy going on with your computer and your copy of GIMP. What happens for just about everybody else is: 1. File Export 2. Specify file name 3. Click 'Export' 4. Contonue working on

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-15 Thread Andrew Bridget
Not exactly, no, the edited image that is now on my screen, the xcf, is probably a resolution of 300 x 300 and may be a print size of 12 x 16; But the exported image is a resolution of 72 and is not meant for printing. *That* is the one that I have to re-open (because I can't force it not to

Re: [Gimp-user] Technical issues with recent mails (was: Re: A sad case of regression ?)

2013-06-15 Thread Alec Burgess
I'd noticed the broken threading too and saw this from . = David Russel No less than six digests were waiting to be read this morning, almost entirely cluttered with this nonsense. I think that explains why every message from him starts a new thread (also with subtlety different subject lines).

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-15 Thread Richard Gitschlag
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 16:12:06 -0400 From: etter...@gmail.com To: tomd...@comcast.net CC: gimp-user-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ? Not exactly, no, the edited image that is now on my screen, the xcf, is probably a resolution of 300 x 300 and may be a

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 16:14 -0400, Helen wrote: When I export, it closes! The preview will close but the original image is still open. If you use single-window-mode, GIMP then switches back to a random (or unpredictable) image, not the one you were working on, but it's still there. My own

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-15 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 22:37 -0400, Helen wrote: The export feature could have been added without disabling the save as feature. Control-shift-e (export to) works like the old save as for non-xcf formats. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ? [saving undo history]

2013-06-15 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 08:03 -0700, Richard Gitschlag wrote: Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:30:43 +0200 From: schum...@gmx.de To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ? . . . That's not perfect yet - for example, you lose the undo history . . . How

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ? [saving undo history]

2013-06-15 Thread Archie Arevalo
On 06/16/2013 11:38 AM, Liam R E Quin wrote: On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 08:03 -0700, Richard Gitschlag wrote: Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:30:43 +0200 From: schum...@gmx.de To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ? . . . That's not perfect yet - for example, you

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-15 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Helen wrote: don't see any way around the repeated reopenings Mmm... There's this difficult to catch bug... Sometimes when there are multiple images opened in the single-window mode, exporting an image that's among the first tabs to the left results in GIMP