Re: [Gimp-user] Timeline for sequenced layers - a hybrid compositor

2012-08-14 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 1:56 AM, Burnie West wrote:

 IMO, it would be cool somehow if layer group will handle color correction
 and filters as well.

 Sounds like a good plug-in idea - - -

Only if 3rd party... In 2.10 plug-ins as we know them are either dead
or struggling to survive :)

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[Gimp-user] Timeline for sequenced layers - a hybrid compositor

2012-08-13 Thread Aditia A. Pratama
Hello guys,

I don't know if this topic already on the feature list or not, but I think
this feature, wheter it'll come as plugin or built-in are very much
appreciate.

Currently I'm working for personal project (as my training as well) for vfx
shot.

After done keying for premultiply plate in blender compositor, I found that
it still need extra 'clean-up', so I use GIMP for that.

I open as layers some of the sequences that already rendered as premul,
then work on that.

On progressing, I found obstacle which is

1. As default, Gimp unable to export all layers into separate output. But
gladly there's very handy plugin for that. Just search in Gimp plugin
registry with keyword 'export layers'. (SOLVED)

2. With sequence images, you'll work with a lot of layers. So the first
time you open them, they'll overlap each other. The pain is there's no
button for select all layers, or toggle visibility off for all layers, etc.

3. As I work for sequenced images, moving between each frames are become
inevitable. This is where timeline is needed. As for now, i have to open
gap filter and run playback each time if want to check all my frames.

Gimp would be very advance layer based compositor. Since all fx that needed
to create an awesome movie fx are available in gimp or by plugin registry
such as chromatic aberration, noise filter, vector blur, lensflare, etc.

I hope this post beneficial for developers or others as well.

Thank you very much Gimp devs and community around the globe.
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Re: [Gimp-user] Timeline for sequenced layers - a hybrid compositor

2012-08-13 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Aditia A. Pratama wrote:

 2. With sequence images, you'll work with a lot of layers. So the first time
 you open them, they'll overlap each other. The pain is there's no button for
 select all layers, or toggle visibility off for all layers, etc.

Actually you can do that. You can 'solo' visibility of a layer. Press
and hold Shift, the click on the eye icon of a layer. This will make
that layer the only visible one. So if you really need to disable
visibility of all layers, all you will have to do after that is click
eye icon for the only visibly layer.

Alexandre Prokoudine
http://libregraphicsworld.org
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Re: [Gimp-user] Timeline for sequenced layers - a hybrid compositor

2012-08-13 Thread Aditia A. Pratama
OMG, I just know this trick. Thanks a million for that Alexander.

But I think, for some new users they still need that toggle :-D
On Aug 13, 2012 3:09 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine 
alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Aditia A. Pratama wrote:

  2. With sequence images, you'll work with a lot of layers. So the first
 time
  you open them, they'll overlap each other. The pain is there's no button
 for
  select all layers, or toggle visibility off for all layers, etc.

 Actually you can do that. You can 'solo' visibility of a layer. Press
 and hold Shift, the click on the eye icon of a layer. This will make
 that layer the only visible one. So if you really need to disable
 visibility of all layers, all you will have to do after that is click
 eye icon for the only visibly layer.

 Alexandre Prokoudine
 http://libregraphicsworld.org
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Re: [Gimp-user] Timeline for sequenced layers - a hybrid compositor

2012-08-13 Thread Aditia A. Pratama
Hi Daniel,

Yes, the latest open movie project by blender foundation known as mango
project or Tears of Steel will about to release by the next couple of
week.

You can follow their progress in their official website
http://mango.blender.org or http://tearsofsteel.com.

Most of vfx movies nowadays always using such an fx. Like a fancy
lensflare, color grading stuff, etc.

Yes, I run tutorial website in http://fossgrafis.com I keep my shot update
via youtube http://youtube.com/user/aditpratama1

My internet connection very limited, but I'll try my best to post my
progress.

No problem Daniel, it's a pleasure to get in touch with FOSS community :)
On Aug 13, 2012 8:20 PM, Daniel Smith opened...@gmail.com wrote:

 Aditia,
 Very interesting.
 So you're saying they already use blender for movie effects?
 In production anywhere?
 Can you give an example of movies that have used such effects?
 Are you keeping a blog or screen shots of your process?
 Can we see it when you're done?
 Thanks a lot, and sorry for all the questions...
 Dan Smith
 Houston

 On 8/13/12, Aditia A. Pratama ibnu.h...@gmail.com wrote:
  OMG, I just know this trick. Thanks a million for that Alexander.
 
  But I think, for some new users they still need that toggle :-D
  On Aug 13, 2012 3:09 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine 
  alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Aditia A. Pratama wrote:
 
   2. With sequence images, you'll work with a lot of layers. So the
 first
  time
   you open them, they'll overlap each other. The pain is there's no
   button
  for
   select all layers, or toggle visibility off for all layers, etc.
 
  Actually you can do that. You can 'solo' visibility of a layer. Press
  and hold Shift, the click on the eye icon of a layer. This will make
  that layer the only visible one. So if you really need to disable
  visibility of all layers, all you will have to do after that is click
  eye icon for the only visibly layer.
 
  Alexandre Prokoudine
  http://libregraphicsworld.org
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Re: [Gimp-user] Timeline for sequenced layers - a hybrid compositor

2012-08-13 Thread Daniel Smith
Thanks so much, Aditia. That's awesome stuff.
The last I was involved with such things was when I ran
Lightwave on a Dec Alpha machine, way back when Star
Trek Next Generation was animated by Industrial Light
and Magic.
What general part of the world do you live in?
Just wondering.
Have a great day/night, all.
Dan

On 8/13/12, Aditia A. Pratama ibnu.h...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Daniel,

 Yes, the latest open movie project by blender foundation known as mango
 project or Tears of Steel will about to release by the next couple of
 week.

 You can follow their progress in their official website
 http://mango.blender.org or http://tearsofsteel.com.

 Most of vfx movies nowadays always using such an fx. Like a fancy
 lensflare, color grading stuff, etc.

 Yes, I run tutorial website in http://fossgrafis.com I keep my shot update
 via youtube http://youtube.com/user/aditpratama1

 My internet connection very limited, but I'll try my best to post my
 progress.

 No problem Daniel, it's a pleasure to get in touch with FOSS community :)
 On Aug 13, 2012 8:20 PM, Daniel Smith opened...@gmail.com wrote:

 Aditia,
 Very interesting.
 So you're saying they already use blender for movie effects?
 In production anywhere?
 Can you give an example of movies that have used such effects?
 Are you keeping a blog or screen shots of your process?
 Can we see it when you're done?
 Thanks a lot, and sorry for all the questions...
 Dan Smith
 Houston

 On 8/13/12, Aditia A. Pratama ibnu.h...@gmail.com wrote:
  OMG, I just know this trick. Thanks a million for that Alexander.
 
  But I think, for some new users they still need that toggle :-D
  On Aug 13, 2012 3:09 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine 
  alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Aditia A. Pratama wrote:
 
   2. With sequence images, you'll work with a lot of layers. So the
 first
  time
   you open them, they'll overlap each other. The pain is there's no
   button
  for
   select all layers, or toggle visibility off for all layers, etc.
 
  Actually you can do that. You can 'solo' visibility of a layer. Press
  and hold Shift, the click on the eye icon of a layer. This will make
  that layer the only visible one. So if you really need to disable
  visibility of all layers, all you will have to do after that is click
  eye icon for the only visibly layer.
 
  Alexandre Prokoudine
  http://libregraphicsworld.org
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Re: [Gimp-user] Timeline for sequenced layers - a hybrid compositor

2012-08-13 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Aditia A. Pratama wrote:

 At that time I also looking for best vfx stuff which run under linux, I
 found out that there's ramenfx but I dunno the progress up until now.

Ramen has a slightly frightening story.

The project started as free software, but the developer failed to
attract new developers and moved to a closed source strategy, while
rewriting internals of the application. This didn't work all the well
either.

After a while his interests changed, and he stopped working on the project.

Since recently he's working on Ramen 2 which seems to be a free
software project again (at least, the code is available on Github),
and he's rewriting things once again.

IMHO, this is going to be an on-and-off activity until some kind of
team gets organized. Being a one-man band is not very sustainable.

Alexandre Prokoudine
http://libregraphicsworld.org
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Re: [Gimp-user] Timeline for sequenced layers - a hybrid compositor

2012-08-13 Thread Daniel Smith
Aditia,
Indonesia. Man, the power of the internet.
Wonderful.
Just my two cents, you probably already know, but it looks
like the Lightworks is almost ready for Ubuntu:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTEyMjE
God, I remember the days of like Mac 8500 being state of the art.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Macintosh_8500
What you could do now with an i5 or i7 chip and that Lightworks.
Amazing.
Dan

On 8/13/12, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Aditia A. Pratama wrote:

 At that time I also looking for best vfx stuff which run under linux, I
 found out that there's ramenfx but I dunno the progress up until now.

 Ramen has a slightly frightening story.

 The project started as free software, but the developer failed to
 attract new developers and moved to a closed source strategy, while
 rewriting internals of the application. This didn't work all the well
 either.

 After a while his interests changed, and he stopped working on the project.

 Since recently he's working on Ramen 2 which seems to be a free
 software project again (at least, the code is available on Github),
 and he's rewriting things once again.

 IMHO, this is going to be an on-and-off activity until some kind of
 team gets organized. Being a one-man band is not very sustainable.

 Alexandre Prokoudine
 http://libregraphicsworld.org
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Re: [Gimp-user] Timeline for sequenced layers - a hybrid compositor

2012-08-13 Thread Richard Gitschlag


 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:08:56 +0400
 From: alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com
 To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
 Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Timeline for sequenced layers - a hybrid compositor
 
 On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Aditia A. Pratama wrote:
 
  2. With sequence images, you'll work with a lot of layers. So the first time
  you open them, they'll overlap each other. The pain is there's no button for
  select all layers, or toggle visibility off for all layers, etc.
 
 Actually you can do that. You can 'solo' visibility of a layer. Press
 and hold Shift, the click on the eye icon of a layer. This will make
 that layer the only visible one. So if you really need to disable
 visibility of all layers, all you will have to do after that is click
 eye icon for the only visibly layer.
 
 Alexandre Prokoudine
 http://libregraphicsworld.org
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AFAIK there is no menu command to do that, nor is it shown in the context menu 
when you right-click a layer.  It really is something you can't do unless you 
already know how.

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strata_ran...@hotmail.com

Numbers may not lie, but neither do they tell the whole truth.


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Re: [Gimp-user] Timeline for sequenced layers - a hybrid compositor

2012-08-13 Thread Burnie West

On 08/13/2012 02:05 PM, Aditia A. Pratama wrote:


Thanks ofnuts for notifying us about link icon :)

Just addendum, it'll be more efficient if we can apply filters or color 
balancing/correction to all layers.


I thought at first using layer group will solve the issue, but afaik it only 
work for tranformation, like scaling all layers and align to center option.


IMO, it would be cool somehow if layer group will handle color correction and 
filters as well.



Sounds like a good plug-in idea - - -

  -- Burnie
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