Excellent post sir. Just because one is in software development, doesn'
t mean they understand professional image editing workflow.
Yeah I'm looking at a certain Debian developer ;-D
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On 06/17/2013 06:38 AM, Liam R E Quin wrote:
On Mon, 2013-06-17 at 00:52 +0200, Ofnuts wrote:
if you only do local editing and save the image back with the
exact same JPEG quality settings, the blocks which no changed pixels
very quickly end up producing the very same data as their source in
Hi Renaud,
On 15 Jun 13 12:36 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org said:
To the whingers - you are boring, get a life.
This is a bit rich, coming from the country where we hear they are
still whingeing about Decimalization and Metrication
You must know by now we Brits are
Nice web page…
Is KompoZer still useful? I have BlueGriffon.
On Jun 17, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Greg Chapman gregtu...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Hi Renaud,
On 15 Jun 13 12:36 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org said:
To the whingers - you are boring, get a life.
This is a bit rich,
Andrew Bridget wrote,
When you open a image in GIMP you are basically importing any image type
into the software, so whilst you are editing in GIMP it is no longer a
.jpg or .tif or other that you opened it is a .xcf file, hence why you
now export. Where previous versions you opened a .jpg
Bob you are indeed correct as the image is held in the memory not a file type,
the point I was trying to make was that the image is no longer a .jpg. I
believe there is a little confusion here generally with what Helen is trying to
do. I think she needs several scaled images.
Sent from my
Also, when you export the image to a JPEG, if suddenly your open image
window disappears, well that is not supposed to happen at all and sounds
something like a GIMP program crash, but we don't have enough information
as is to determine that. And when GIMP crashes, you at least get a message
Helen wrote,
Also, when you export the image to a JPEG, if suddenly your open image
window disappears, well that is not supposed to happen at all and sounds
something like a GIMP program crash, but we don't have enough information
as is to determine that. And when GIMP crashes, you at least
On 06/15/13 22:38, Liam R E Quin wrote:
On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 08:03 -0700, Richard Gitschlag wrote:
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:30:43 +0200
From: schum...@gmx.de
To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?
. . . That's not perfect yet - for example, you lose
On 15.06.2013 17:03, Richard Gitschlag wrote:
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:30:43 +0200
From: schum...@gmx.de
To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?
. . . That's not perfect yet - for example, you lose the undo history
. . .
How often is Undo
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 08:40:34 -0500
From: jnagyjr1...@gmail.com
To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ? [saving undo history]
On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 08:03 -0700, Richard Gitschlag wrote:
How often is Undo history ACTUALLY needed by the user
Ah, finally, some concrete specifics. Let me digest that...
Old way: Create file 300x300, work on it.
Okay, you now have one window/tab displaying your image. (Since this is just
an example, I'm not going to question whether the image is 300x300 pixels or
some arbitrary size tagged as
On 16.06.2013 15:03, Bob Long wrote:
So, again, if I understand you, the new export process has actually
revealed an error in your previous workflow.
Revealing that misconception is one of the change's goals. See
http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/Save_%2B_export_specification
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On 06/14/2013 02:34 PM, Steve Kinney wrote:
Every time people insist on cluttering the list up with weeping and
wailing and gnashing of teeth over Save vs. Export, it is...
+1
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Repeat after me :
Alt-F A, ctrl-s, ctrl-s (repeat as needed), shift-ctrl-e, close.
Hardly rocket science and needs about 15 minutes for mucles memory to cut in.
Jusy my 2d worth,
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No less than six digests were waiting to be read this morning, almost
entirely cluttered with this nonsense.
How much do I pay for the Gimp? Nothing.
Am I delighted with it? Yes!
Does it require any effort to get used to using ctrlE and ctrlS ?
No - a child would make less fuss than some of the
From: Helen etter...@gmail.com
snip
I work with agents for my art galleries.
One of my agents wants everything sent as jpeg
so I send her what she wants.
One wants .tif so I send her what she wants.
Juried exhibits ask for jpeg (I don't know why
but this change adds hours to a job
that
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:32:45 +0100
. traml...@gmail.com wrote:
How much do I pay for the Gimp? Nothing.
Am I delighted with it? Yes!
Glad to hear you are.
Does it require any effort to get used to using ctrlE and ctrlS ?
No - a child would make less fuss than some of the posters to this
Hi all
I not often write here, but I'm a regular user of gimp. But I slowly get upset
by some mails here
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 11:32:45AM +0100, . wrote:
No less than six digests were waiting to be read this morning, almost
entirely cluttered with this nonsense.
How much do I pay for
On 06/15/2013 01:36 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
This is a bit rich, coming from the country where we hear they are still
whingeing about Decimalization and Metrication ;-3)
Well, at least went metric, they didn't remain overly attached to their
old warty version of a measurement system
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:29:37 +0100
. traml...@gmail.com wrote:
I fail to understand why using ctrlshiftE rather than
ctrlshiftS adds any time at all to your work.
Not the time, but the annoyance at the stupidity of being told my file has not
been saved, when I have just saved it back to its
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 08:18:37 -0500
Joseph A. Nagy, Jr jnagyjr1...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, at least went metric, they didn't remain overly attached to their
old warty version of a measurement system :)
Actually they still use imperial measurements as well. The conversion
over to metric
On 06/15/2013 02:28 PM, Norbert Preining wrote:
Hi all
I not often write here, but I'm a regular user of gimp. But I slowly get upset
by some mails here
First: I am myself developer of open source projects as well as Debian
developer, so not some casual user.
These bullying emails are just
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 15:57:57 +0200
maderios mader...@gmail.com wrote:
This strange save, save as behaviour could not exist in a professional
environment.
A professional (and many amateurs) user know he has to save his work.
I think Gimp-2.8 tries to do instead of the user that it should do
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:30:43 +0200
From: schum...@gmx.de
To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?
. . . That's not perfect yet - for example, you lose the undo history . . .
How often is Undo history ACTUALLY needed by the user, beyond fixing
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 02:02:58 +0400
From: alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com
To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 1:55 AM, Psiweapon wrote:
Excuse me, Alexandre, but you're being DISMISSIVE AS HELL here.
Yes, I am
On 06/15/2013 04:38 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 15:57:57 +0200
maderios mader...@gmail.com wrote:
This strange save, save as behaviour could not exist in a professional
environment.
A professional (and many amateurs) user know he has to save his work.
I think Gimp-2.8
well, i gotta say, that were i ever to actually use the gimp in any heavy
capacity, or a company i worked at would, these saving lists would be
required reading due to the variety of formats/procedures detailed.
thanks, i guess.
:)
dan
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Chris Mohler
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Norbert Preining prein...@logic.at wrote:
These bullying emails are just plain rubbish. Software should be written with
the users in mind. And
- opening a jpg file
- editing
- saving
should result in a saved version of yhe original file, because that is what
On 06/15/2013 01:53 PM, Grue wrote:
Wow, just wow. Here are the facts: every time you save your image as
JPEG, you lose information. It is by design a lossy image format that
uses an algorithm to conserve your disk space via throwing away some
insignificant information (which works well for
When you make
an edit on the image and you export it, the JPEG doesn't disappear and
the edited image still shows in the image window. It's that you want to
see the _exported_ JPEG file to confirm the export resulted in the JPEG
file you wanted to create for the client
I think you're
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine
alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 11:53 PM, Helen wrote:
Here are the facts: every time you save your image as JPEG, you lose
information. It is by design a lossy image format
Exactly! We should not
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Helen wrote:
Exactly! We should not have to keep opening these files! They should
stay on my screen until I finish with them.
But noone's forcing you to close them.
Are you kidding?
Nope.
When I export, it closes!
It shouldn't and it never did so
On 06/15/2013 01:19 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Helen wrote:
Exactly! We should not have to keep opening these files! They should
stay on my screen until I finish with them.
But noone's forcing you to close them.
Are you kidding?
Nope.
When I
Tom Williams (tomd...@comcast.net) wrote:
I'm thinking Helen is referring to the JPEG preview window that opens,
during the JPEG export process.After the JPEG export is done, the
preview window closes since the file's been saved.
However, the separate window only shows up when one is
On 15.06.2013 22:21, Tom Williams wrote:
On 06/15/2013 01:19 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
There's something crazy going on with your computer and your copy of
GIMP. What happens for just about everybody else is:
1. File Export
2. Specify file name
3. Click 'Export'
4. Contonue working on
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 16:12:06 -0400
From: etter...@gmail.com
To: tomd...@comcast.net
CC: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?
Not exactly, no, the edited image that is now on my screen, the xcf, is
probably a resolution of 300 x 300 and may
On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 22:37 -0400, Helen wrote:
The export feature could have been added without
disabling the save as feature.
Control-shift-e (export to) works like the old save as for non-xcf
formats.
Liam
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Pictures from
On 06/16/2013 11:38 AM, Liam R E Quin wrote:
On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 08:03 -0700, Richard Gitschlag wrote:
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:30:43 +0200
From: schum...@gmx.de
To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?
. . . That's not perfect yet - for example, you
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Helen wrote:
don't see any way around the repeated reopenings
Mmm... There's this difficult to catch bug... Sometimes when there are
multiple images opened in the single-window mode, exporting an image
that's among the first tabs to the left results in GIMP
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
- Can this behaviour be changed in the configuration of GIMP ?
No
- If not, what is the latest release of GIMP that behaved in the old (and
intuitive) way, so I can go back to that version ?
2.6.11
PS Why do the developpers think we
Here we go again . . . .
PS Why do the developpers think we all want to use the .xcf format ?
It's not like that. It's a change in design from one model to another.
The change is beneficial when you ARE working on an XCF file (in the exact same
vein as using Photoshop to work on PSD files,
Hi Crew,
On 14 Jun 13 16:08 Crew p...@wideshots.co.uk said:
As a potential new user to The Gimp, I've found the lack of a
conventional save command to be TERRIBLE.
You're wrong!
The problem is NOT a lack of conventional Save command, rather a lack
of conventional Import command!
The
In case you are not just phishing (which is unlikely, as there are
several such emails posted recently:-)
Given the way Adobe are moving to a subscription model, there are going
to be a lot of new users like myself seriously looking at The Gimp in
future.
The recent addition of colour
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 8:26 PM, Andrew Bridget wrote:
Just because a program does not perform the way you would like it to,
doesn't make it an inferior program. GIMP is a very powerful Image Editing
program that thousands of people use day to day. For every one that states
in this forum that
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Crew wrote:
If the discussion has had thousands of comments in the past it's pretty
clear it's at least contentious.
There's that old war trick: crawl towards the opposing army in the
dark and make as much noise as possible like there's an army of you.
I'm
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 14:28:31 +0200
Since Linux is all in favour of freedom of choice
It's just a kernel. Software neither feels, nor judges, nor favours.
how about offering the user an export / save choice in the Preferences
dialogues
You've never heard of Adobe Premiere, Kdenlive, Apple Final Cut, Apple
Logic, Audacity, Cubase, Ardour, Blender? That's OK. Now you have
Using the examples of video editing packages is rather disingenuous as
they are all project based programs that work on the expectation of
combining
Crew (p...@wideshots.co.uk) wrote:
You've never heard of Adobe Premiere, Kdenlive, Apple Final Cut, Apple
Logic, Audacity, Cubase, Ardour, Blender? That's OK. Now you have
Using the examples of video editing packages is rather disingenuous
as they are all project based programs that work on
On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 21:43:17 +0400
Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
how about offering the user an export / save choice in the Preferences
dialogues ?
As already discussed before, the answer is 'no'.
Why not ?
Do I sense here a case of the Microsoft delusion
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 9:46 PM, Crew wrote:
Welcome to Prokoudine' Friday night tour to GIMP, the image editing
application that mends broken hearts.
You've never heard of Adobe Premiere, Kdenlive, Apple Final Cut, Apple
Logic, Audacity, Cubase, Ardour, Blender? That's OK. Now you have
you mean compared to a project based image manipulation program, which
works on the expectation of combining/editing multiple images and
outputting in different image formats?
So you're saying that thinking of The Gimp as an image editing program
is wrong then, it need to be primarily regarded
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Crew wrote:
you mean compared to a project based image manipulation program, which
works on the expectation of combining/editing multiple images and
outputting in different image formats?
So you're saying that thinking of The Gimp as an image editing program
On 14/06/2013 19:06, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
As a Linux user, I don't have tons of image editors to try. But hey,
I'm quite ready to believe that most of them are doing it wrong:)
Right I see now.
I write for Linux I don't need to conform to user requirements, I know
better
The vast
On 06/14/13 12:46, Crew wrote:
You've never heard of Adobe Premiere, Kdenlive, Apple Final Cut, Apple
Logic, Audacity, Cubase, Ardour, Blender? That's OK. Now you have
Using the examples of video editing packages is rather disingenuous as
they are all project based programs that work on the
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr wrote:
Agreed 100%, also do not know why Audacity is in there. I expect audio to be
saved in Audacity in wav file format (which is what it does)
Which is what it does not. Audacity famously saves only project data
and exports everything
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Crew wrote:
On 14/06/2013 19:06, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
As a Linux user, I don't have tons of image editors to try. But hey,
I'm quite ready to believe that most of them are doing it wrong:)
Right I see now.
I write for Linux I don't need to conform
Meant to send to list the first time, more non-standard behavior.
On 06/14/13 13:43, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr wrote:
Agreed 100%, also do not know why Audacity is in there. I expect audio to be
saved in Audacity in wav file format (which
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Joseph A. Nagy, Jr
jnagyjr1...@gmail.com wrote:
You must not use Audacity, then.
Yeah, well, you know how it is... I actually use Ardour for my audio
stuff. That's basically the reason I quitted the Audacity team a few
years ago after having been part of it
On 14/06/2013 19:47, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
The vast majority of photographers DON'T use Linux because there's been
nothing credible for them.
It's amazing that there are people who actually believe that.
Why would you believe anything else ? Do you see any support from the
likes of
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Crew wrote:
The vast majority of photographers DON'T use Linux because there's been
nothing credible for them.
It's amazing that there are people who actually believe that.
Why would you believe anything else ?
Because I have a brain and I happen to use it
Every time people insist on cluttering the list up with weeping and
wailing and gnashing of teeth over Save vs. Export, it is...
A Sad Case Of Regression
:o/
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Actually I know nobody who likes the new distinction between save and
export.
But the whole discussion seems to be at a point of no return anyway and
developers seem to defend the change as a matter of principle rather
than aiming for maximum usability, so it seems quite improbable anything
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine
alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Crew wrote:
On 14/06/2013 19:06, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
As a Linux user, I don't have tons of image editors to try. But hey,
I'm quite ready to believe that
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 1:55 AM, Psiweapon wrote:
Excuse me, Alexandre, but you're being DISMISSIVE AS HELL here.
Yes, I am.
I'm not saying this guy is right, but your holier than thou attitude is
corrosive and self-satisfied.
Oh, not holier :) Just smarter. And I can prove that.
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine
alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 1:55 AM, Psiweapon wrote:
Excuse me, Alexandre, but you're being DISMISSIVE AS HELL here.
Yes, I am.
I'm not saying this guy is right, but your holier than thou attitude
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Psiweapon wrote:
I'm not saying this guy is right, but your holier than thou attitude is
corrosive and self-satisfied.
Oh, not holier :) Just smarter. And I can prove that.
Are you sure? I'm not saying you're not, but you'd need *his *credentials
too to
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine
alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
Oh, and being smarter doesn't make you a better person. Your smarter than
you is still corrosive and self-satisfied.
You see, I never claimed to be a good person. I'm not even remotely
interested
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine
alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Psiweapon wrote:
I'm not saying this guy is right, but your holier than thou
attitude is
corrosive and self-satisfied.
Oh, not holier :) Just smarter. And I
On 06/14/2013 02:47 PM, Eduard Braun wrote:
Actually I know nobody who likes the new distinction between save and
export.
But the whole discussion seems to be at a point of no return anyway
and developers seem to defend the change as a matter of principle
rather than aiming for maximum
Like Tom, the change from Save to Export was a bit of a surprise to me as well.
Over time, I got used to it. Once you think about it, it actually makes more
sense to use this method than it does the previous method.
Just my two cents :)
p.s. People should really stop arguing about this. It
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 1:12 AM, Crew wrote:
is the choice for Win/Mac and proprietary software an informed
one?
Yes.
Wrong answer. See below.
You might not like the information they made their choices on, but it's
not entirely random.
Finally you made a statement that makes some sort of
Andrew Bridget
A remark such as if you don't like it, don't use it is rude and
unhelpful, and such remarks
should never appear on this list. I've stayed out of the discussion of
this regression -- I hate the
change to-- but I appeal for courtesy to those who care enough to try to
communicate
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Helen etter...@gmail.com wrote:
Ron said:
Since Linux is all in favour of freedom of choice, how about offering the
user an export / save choice in the Preferences dialogues ?
I wish to endorse this. The export feature could have been added without
disabling
So you're saying that thinking of The Gimp as an image editing program is
wrong then, it need to be primarily regarded as a project based
compositing
program ?
That is what we've been saying for the past 7 years.
GIMP= Gnu Image Manipulation Program.
Right?
--
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On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 6:34 AM, Helen wrote:
Andrew Bridget
A remark such as if you don't like it, don't use it is rude and
unhelpful, and such remarks
should never appear on this list. I've stayed out of the discussion of
this regression -- I hate the
change to-- but I appeal for
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 7:14 AM, Helen wrote:
My agent sends a jpg of the card she plans to mail out, asking me to edit.
I edit, save to jpg becasue tha's what she wants, and it has now disappeared
off my screen.
Why did it disappear off your screen? Why do you reopen it?
This new
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