Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP is GREAT!

2012-08-16 Thread Stephen Allen
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 05:16:24PM +0200, maderios wrote:

 Hi Alexandre
 
 Really ? In 1987, digital photography  didn't exist... We
 (photographers) were using color slides, and the contrast was a big
 problem... Easier with negative but useless for commercial use.
 Then, 1990 years, some colleagues began using P$$op for editing and
 archiving their photos. It was the beginning.
 
 Thomas renamed his program Photoshop and worked out a short-term
 deal with scanner manufacturer Barneyscan to distribute copies of
 the program with a slide scanner
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Photoshop#Early_history

It was used in the printing industry, PrePress long before Photographers
started using it. That was what kept us busy in the scanning department
during the late 80s  90s.

Really Wikipedia is a great resource, however it's not definitive. If
you go to about Photoshop you'll still see the Knoll name in the
credits, so I'll take the originators word over Wikipedia, thank-you very
much.
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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP is GREAT!

2012-08-15 Thread Archie Arevalo
Oh please ... now professionalism is a matter of setting one's status. In my 
forum, there are A LOT of professional photographers and they use a diverse 
range of tools and yes, it includes GIMP. Drop your judgement on what is 
professional and what is amateur ... or show us your gallery of professional 
work! Then maybe some of your comments could be taken seriously.

On Tuesday 14 August 2012 18:59:22 maderios wrote:
 On 08/14/2012 05:31 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
  On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:16 PM, maderiosmader...@gmail.com  wrote:
  Hi Alexandre
  
  Really ? In 1987, digital photography  didn't exist... We
  (photographers)
  were using color slides, and the contrast was a big problem... Easier
  with
  negative but useless for commercial use. Then, 1990 years, some
  colleagues
  began using P$$op for editing and archiving their photos. It was the
  beginning.
  
  Thomas renamed his program Photoshop and worked out a short-term deal
  with
  scanner manufacturer Barneyscan to distribute copies of the program with
  a
  slide scanner
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Photoshop#Early_history
  
  Your ability to open and read WIkipedia is commendable, but I strongly
  suggest that you read the full history that I linked to :)
  Photographers weren't the reason to create Photoshop. It came next.
 
 Thanks for the link
 The first reason was professionnal, not amateur (like Gimp) then, soon,
 professional photography editing.
 Recently, amateur people discovered and started using pho$$op.
 To improve Gimp, developpers should listen to professional people.
 It's a chance
 
 About democracy and Gnu/Linux software developpement:
 http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/08/msg00844.html
 
 Regards
 Maderios
 
 
 
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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP is GREAT!

2012-08-14 Thread maderios

On 08/13/2012 10:30 PM, Rauh, Stuart wrote:


As one of the silent majority who are extremely happy with GIMP and the 
behavior in latest version,


Hi
1) it's not because people are silent they approve...

2)I'm not complaining about Gimp, Gimp is a very good software. I'm just 
saying the new Gimp-2.8 behavior (concerning save and save as ) is an 
error. This error takes away Gimp-2.8 of the world of the professionals.
It's always the professionals who pull tools upward and not amateurs... 
Example : Ph$$op was created for professional photographers and with 
professional photographers.


Regards
Maderios

PS: sorry for my bad english, I'm french
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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP is GREAT!

2012-08-14 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:24 PM, maderios wrote:

 2)I'm not complaining about Gimp, Gimp is a very good software. I'm just
 saying the new Gimp-2.8 behavior (concerning save and save as ) is an error.
 This error takes away Gimp-2.8 of the world of the professionals.

Except professionals tend to like this change, but yeah, what do we know? :)

 It's always the professionals who pull tools upward and not amateurs...
 Example : Ph$$op was created for professional photographers and with
 professional photographers.

Um, no. It wasn't :)

http://photoshopnews.com/feature-stories/photoshop-profile-thomas-john-knoll-10/

Now, what happened later is a whole different story.

 PS: sorry for my bad english, I'm french

No need to be sorry about that. Your English is fine.

Alexandre Prokoudine
http://libregraphicsworld.org
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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP is GREAT!

2012-08-14 Thread maderios

On 08/14/2012 01:39 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:24 PM, maderios wrote:


2)I'm not complaining about Gimp, Gimp is a very good software. I'm just
saying the new Gimp-2.8 behavior (concerning save and save as ) is an error.
This error takes away Gimp-2.8 of the world of the professionals.

Except professionals tend to like this change, but yeah, what do we know? :)


It's always the professionals who pull tools upward and not amateurs...
Example : Ph$$op was created for professional photographers and with
professional photographers.



Um, no. It wasn't :)



Hi Alexandre

Really ? In 1987, digital photography  didn't exist... We 
(photographers) were using color slides, and the contrast was a big 
problem... Easier with negative but useless for commercial use. Then, 
1990 years, some colleagues began using P$$op for editing and archiving 
their photos. It was the beginning.


Thomas renamed his program Photoshop and worked out a short-term deal 
with scanner manufacturer Barneyscan to distribute copies of the program 
with a slide scanner

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Photoshop#Early_history

Regards
Maderios

PS:
I used Cinepaint in the past
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CinePaint
http://www.cinepaint.org/
http://www.cinepaint.org/more/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/cinepaint/files/CinePaint/
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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP is GREAT!

2012-08-14 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:16 PM, maderios mader...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Alexandre

 Really ? In 1987, digital photography  didn't exist... We (photographers)
 were using color slides, and the contrast was a big problem... Easier with
 negative but useless for commercial use. Then, 1990 years, some colleagues
 began using P$$op for editing and archiving their photos. It was the
 beginning.

 Thomas renamed his program Photoshop and worked out a short-term deal with
 scanner manufacturer Barneyscan to distribute copies of the program with a
 slide scanner
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Photoshop#Early_history

Your ability to open and read WIkipedia is commendable, but I strongly
suggest that you read the full history that I linked to :)
Photographers weren't the reason to create Photoshop. It came next.

Now, as for GIMP, we did work with professional photographers and we
are going to work with them in the future.

I understand that you are unwilling to read whatever links I throw at
you, but maybe this time it's going to work? Here are raw evaluation
notes from 2006 usability study:

http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/Evaluation_Notes_-_Photo_Realistic

 PS:
 I used Cinepaint in the past

Very well :) I just hope we are not having a who started doing
computer graphics earlier contest 'round here. Not that I didn't have
fond memories of using a light pen around 1986 :)

Alexandre Prokoudine
http://libregraphicsworld.org
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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP is GREAT!

2012-08-14 Thread maderios

On 08/14/2012 05:31 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:16 PM, maderiosmader...@gmail.com  wrote:

Hi Alexandre

Really ? In 1987, digital photography  didn't exist... We (photographers)
were using color slides, and the contrast was a big problem... Easier with
negative but useless for commercial use. Then, 1990 years, some colleagues
began using P$$op for editing and archiving their photos. It was the
beginning.

Thomas renamed his program Photoshop and worked out a short-term deal with
scanner manufacturer Barneyscan to distribute copies of the program with a
slide scanner
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Photoshop#Early_history

Your ability to open and read WIkipedia is commendable, but I strongly
suggest that you read the full history that I linked to :)
Photographers weren't the reason to create Photoshop. It came next.

Thanks for the link
The first reason was professionnal, not amateur (like Gimp) then, soon, 
professional photography editing.

Recently, amateur people discovered and started using pho$$op.
To improve Gimp, developpers should listen to professional people.
It's a chance

About democracy and Gnu/Linux software developpement:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/08/msg00844.html

Regards
Maderios



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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP is GREAT!

2012-08-14 Thread Michael Schumacher
 Von: Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com
 On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:16 PM, maderios mader...@gmail.com wrote:

Both of you,

may I suggest that you move your private conversation to private mail? In my 
opinion, there's no further insight that can be gained for the other readers, 
although the quite civilized discussion is certainly worthwhile by itself.


Thanks,
Michael
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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP is GREAT!

2012-08-14 Thread Richard Gitschlag

 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:24:58 +0200
 From: mader...@gmail.com
 To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
 Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP is GREAT!
 
 PS: sorry for my bad english, I'm french

Don't worry about that, the worst English always comes from native speakers who 
are just too lazy to use even their own tongue properly :P

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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP is GREAT!

2012-08-14 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:05 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote:

 may I suggest that you move your private conversation to private mail?

If it was a private conversation, I wouldn't be maintaining it :)

But yes, I agree. This is just tiresome. EOT for me.

Alexandre Prokoudine
http://libregraphicsworld.org
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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP is GREAT!

2012-08-14 Thread maderios

On 08/14/2012 07:05 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote:

Von: Alexandre Prokoudinealexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:16 PM, maderiosmader...@gmail.com  wrote:

Both of you,

may I suggest that you move your private conversation to private mail? In my 
opinion, there's no further insight that can be gained for the other readers, 
although the quite civilized discussion is certainly worthwhile by itself.


Hi Michael

We're talking about Gimp in the gimp-user-list.
Absolutely normal

Best regards
Maderios
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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP is GREAT!

2012-08-13 Thread Stephen Allen
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 09:27:36AM -0700, Archie Arevalo wrote:
 Dear Alexandre Prokoudine and all those who appreciate GIMP,
 
 GIMP is a great tool. It is not that hard to adapt to the changes made in 
 2.8. 
 It is easy to reform habits if the community would just stop yapping about it 
 and instead do something about it themselves.
 
 You hard work are tremendously appreciated by many of us, and we trust that 
 you will continue to pursue the goals you have set out.
 
 More power to GIMP development and developers.

Agreed +100 One thing sure in life is constant change. If software isn't
evolving then it's not improving.

At 1st I disliked the new behaviour too, but have come to do it
naturally and without fuss once I understood the reasons. Hell Photoshop
wants folks to save as .PSD too for the same reasons.
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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP is GREAT!

2012-08-13 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Stephen Allen wrote:
 On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 09:27:36AM -0700, Archie Arevalo wrote:
 Dear Alexandre Prokoudine and all those who appreciate GIMP,

 GIMP is a great tool. It is not that hard to adapt to the changes made in 
 2.8.
 It is easy to reform habits if the community would just stop yapping about it
 and instead do something about it themselves.

 You hard work are tremendously appreciated by many of us, and we trust that
 you will continue to pursue the goals you have set out.

 More power to GIMP development and developers.

 Agreed +100 One thing sure in life is constant change. If software isn't
 evolving then it's not improving.

Thanks a lot, folks :)

Alexandre Prokoudine
http://libregraphicsworld.org
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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP is GREAT!

2012-08-12 Thread Mogens Jæger

Den 12-08-2012 18:27, Archie Arevalo skrev:

Dear Alexandre Prokoudine and all those who appreciate GIMP,

GIMP is a great tool. It is not that hard to adapt to the changes made
in 2.8. It is easy to reform habits if the community would just stop
yapping about it and instead do something about it themselves.

You hard work are tremendously appreciated by many of us, and we trust
that you will continue to pursue the goals you have set out.

More power to GIMP development and developers.

With much respect,

Archie Arevalo

PCLinuxOS user

P.S. This email is not butt licking but just a change from all the
complaints I keep getting on my inbox. ;D



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I'm in on this one - I just persuaded a friend who just started 
photographing to use the GIMP 2.8 for editing. He's not used to free 
software, and was very astonished (typical win-user), that he could get 
all this for free.


Keep up the good work - and thanks a lot

Mogens Jæger

Suse Factory user



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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP is GREAT!

2012-08-12 Thread Gerald

 Me too I agree !

I use it under Linux since version 1.6 ( see 
http://www.gimp.org/about/splash/unstable-1.1.html ) at least .
That's a way long time ago, and I always adapt my self to this superberb 
pice of software. Now I use the 2.8 version on Linux and I'm as always, 
pleased.


As we say in French  Lâchez pas !




Le 2012-08-12 12:27, Archie Arevalo a écrit :


Dear Alexandre Prokoudine and all those who appreciate GIMP,

GIMP is a great tool. It is not that hard to adapt to the changes made 
in 2.8. It is easy to reform habits if the community would just stop 
yapping about it and instead do something about it themselves.


You hard work are tremendously appreciated by many of us, and we trust 
that you will continue to pursue the goals you have set out.


More power to GIMP development and developers.

With much respect,

Archie Arevalo

PCLinuxOS user

P.S. This email is not butt licking but just a change from all the 
complaints I keep getting on my inbox. ;D




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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP is GREAT!

2012-08-12 Thread William Thorup
While we are at it I would like to give my thanks as well.

I am a 3D\2D digital artist and I have been using Gimp for close to a
decade now. I have loved and preferred it ever since I started.  And I have
encouraged those around me to try it out, if not make it a replacement for
some more expensive photo manipulation programs they are currently using.
9 times out of 10 Gimp is able to do what they need to do professionally.

And even with some of the disputed changes in 2.8, it still holds its
ground as my top application for my work, and for others that I know.

The changes that have been made, in some ways have slowed me down
initially, but, in the long run, it has sped things up.  (Especially when I
am doing any sort of 3D texturing).  And after about a week of adapting to
the changes, there is no way I can go back to 2.6.  It is a much more
pleasant experience than it already was.  This is usually how any learning
experience for any kind of topic plays out, at least for me.

On behalf of those I know, that appreciate this program, and the great
piece of software that it is, and for myself, we thank all the developers
for their hard work.  We understand that it isn't easy to put together and
maintain a program like this.  But you all are doing a great job.  Keep it
up.

Will Thorup

http://www.williamthorup.com/
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