Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-08-30 Thread Kevin Brubeck Unhammer
physoc for...@gimpusers.com writes: physoc (for...@gimpusers.com) wrote: Uh, where do you see that? Certainly not on www.gimp.org, or? Sounds like some dubious download site, because we gimp developers certainly can think of scenarios where paying for your photo editing software makes a lot of

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-08-18 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 18.08.2013 02:54, Ofnuts wrote: On 08/17/2013 09:01 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote: Especially if the gimp that gimpusers is installing includes a bunch of crudware and the customer's think that we're technical support for that. This is a misleading statement. Please re-read what I wrote

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-08-17 Thread Burnie West
On 08/16/2013 11:31 AM, Simon Budig wrote: I believe it to be a bad idea that mails fromfor...@gimpusers.com are allowed on this mailinglist, it just confuses things. +1 ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-08-17 Thread John Meyer
On 8/17/2013 12:41 PM, Burnie West wrote: On 08/16/2013 11:31 AM, Simon Budig wrote: I believe it to be a bad idea that mails fromfor...@gimpusers.com are allowed on this mailinglist, it just confuses things. +1 Especially if the gimp that gimpusers is installing includes a bunch of

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-08-17 Thread Michael Schumacher
Am 17.08.2013 20:40, schrieb John Meyer: On 8/17/2013 12:41 PM, Burnie West wrote: On 08/16/2013 11:31 AM, Simon Budig wrote: I believe it to be a bad idea that mails fromfor...@gimpusers.com are allowed on this mailinglist, it just confuses things. +1 Especially if the gimp that gimpusers

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-08-17 Thread John Meyer
My mistake. Still, a redirector on that site is pointing to a download with additional software. On 8/17/2013 1:01 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote: Am 17.08.2013 20:40, schrieb John Meyer: On 8/17/2013 12:41 PM, Burnie West wrote: On 08/16/2013 11:31 AM, Simon Budig wrote: I believe it to be

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-08-17 Thread Ofnuts
On 08/17/2013 09:01 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote: Especially if the gimp that gimpusers is installing includes a bunch of crudware and the customer's think that we're technical support for that. This is a misleading statement. Please re-read what I wrote about their use of ad services. It's the

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-08-16 Thread Joseph A. Nagy, Jr
On 08/16/13 08:17, physoc wrote: I downloaded GIMP today (16 August) and run Win 7 (64-bit). I've been unable to get it to start because it crashes when 'querying plugins' in the 'Startup' routine. If I close the GIMP window and try again it skips across the previous plugin .exe but then hangs

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-08-16 Thread Pat David
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 11:16 AM, physoc for...@gimpusers.com wrote: Why, because the 'end user' wants something that works properly and has an intuitive GUI Why, because the 'end user' wants something that works properly and has an intuitive GUI **compared to what they already know and are

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-08-16 Thread Andrew Bridget
Well the issue is academic now as, once GIMP ran and I tried it, it got uninstalled asap. Originally installed because a 'photo magazine described it as 'the closest thing to Photoshop you'll find'. I guess the reviewer was taking some substance or alcohol...! I often find that these

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-08-16 Thread Simon Budig
Michael Schumacher (schum...@gmx.de) wrote: From: Sam Gleske sam.mxra...@gmail.com If that's the case I think you should discuss it with gimp-developer list. But please come prepared - the Zonealarm developers should be able to tell why this is happening, please ask them. They have

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-08-16 Thread Simon Budig
physoc (for...@gimpusers.com) wrote: The banner at the bottom of the GIMP webpage reads ' Why pay for Photo Editing Software?' Uh, where do you see that? Certainly not on www.gimp.org, or? Sounds like some dubious download site, because we gimp developers certainly can think of scenarios where

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-08-16 Thread Madeleine Fisher
I actually use GIMP to make my webcomic weekly. I don't think it's useless. I just had to learn it--same as any other software. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership:

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-08-16 Thread Pat David
I feel that perhaps you may be a bit misguided in your interpretation of GIMP. There are plenty of us who use it daily for high end photographic retouching and editing. Like most things worth using, it may take a little time to become accustomed to the methods and interface. Being initially

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-08-16 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 16.08.2013 19:57, physoc wrote: physoc (for...@gimpusers.com) wrote: Uh, where do you see that? Certainly not on www.gimp.org, or? Sounds like some dubious download site, because we gimp developers certainly can think of scenarios where paying for your photo editing software makes a lot

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-08-16 Thread Simon Budig
physoc (for...@gimpusers.com) wrote: physoc (for...@gimpusers.com) wrote: Uh, where do you see that? Certainly not on www.gimp.org, or? Sounds like some dubious download site, because we gimp developers certainly can think of scenarios where paying for your photo editing software makes a

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-08-16 Thread Pat David
When you do get around to trying it again, please don't hesitate to drop back in and ask any questions. I'd be happy to help where I can! On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 1:36 PM, physoc for...@gimpusers.com wrote: Thanks for the extensive reply and tips. I may try again in a week or two when I've

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-08-16 Thread Kevin Cozens
On 13-08-16 01:53 PM, physoc wrote: Well mainly because it won't load my Nikon RAW files. You need to install the UFraw or dcraw plug-ins for GIMP to load Nikon RAW files. I use dcraw and I have no problem with Nikon RAW files from my D3100. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-08-16 Thread Cristian Secară
În data de Fri, 16 Aug 2013 20:08:45 +0200, Michael Schumacher a scris: Simon, the phase appears at the bottom of this very page on GIMPUSERS.comat www.getgimp.com Yep, this is some dubious download site. Note the launches DownloadAdmin™, which will mange your installation process. in

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-07-01 Thread Jesse Pavel
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Jernej Simončič jernej|s-gm...@eternallybored.org wrote: This appears to be a bug in 32-bit build - we're looking into it. Is this a bug in the code (say, in gimppluginmanager-restore.c or thereabouts) that I could help with, or with the process for the 32-bit

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-06-28 Thread Ofnuts
On 06/26/2013 10:54 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote: On 26.06.2013 22:43, Kevin Payne wrote: Perhaps you could leave it buggy and maybe these python script writers with problems won't see their changes ignored: http://gimpforums.com/thread-problems-using-python-scripts

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-06-27 Thread Michael Schumacher
Von: Joseph A. Nagy, Jr jnagyjr1...@gmail.com On 06/26/13 15:17, scl wrote: Am 26.06.13 22:11, schrieb Jernej Simončič: This appears to be a bug in 32-bit build - we're looking into it. You're right. The 64 bit build doesn't have that delay on startup. Not true. amd64 FreeBSD

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-06-27 Thread Joseph A. Nagy, Jr
On 06/27/13 02:42, Michael Schumacher wrote: Von: Joseph A. Nagy, Jr jnagyjr1...@gmail.com On 06/26/13 15:17, scl wrote: Am 26.06.13 22:11, schrieb Jernej Simončič: This appears to be a bug in 32-bit build - we're looking into it. You're right. The 64 bit build doesn't have that delay on

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-06-26 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Jesse Pavel jpa...@alum.mit.edu [06-26-13 02:22]: Gimp 2.8.6 (on Windows) queries new plugins at every startup; 2.8.4 did not. It seems pluginrc in the .gimp-2.8 user directory is written properly, and when run with --verbose, gimp reports that it is parsing the file, but immediately queries

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-06-26 Thread Joseph A. Nagy, Jr
On 06/26/13 07:02, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Jesse Pavel jpa...@alum.mit.edu [06-26-13 02:22]: Gimp 2.8.6 (on Windows) queries new plugins at every startup; 2.8.4 did not. It seems pluginrc in the .gimp-2.8 user directory is written properly, and when run with --verbose, gimp reports that it is

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-06-26 Thread Michael Schumacher
Von: Joseph A. Nagy, Jr jnagyjr1...@gmail.com To my aged and somewhat failing recoginition, gimp has *always* loaded/queried it's plugins and extensions when starting, irrespective of platform. If 2.8.4 did not, it probably was a failing/bug. I am still on 2.8.2 and it also does the

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-06-26 Thread Jesse Pavel
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Michael Schumacher schum...@gmx.dewrote: Yes, it does that. But in order to avoid querying plug-ins that haven't changed, their modification time is compared to the cached values. The whole query is hardly noticeable on a modern system except on the first

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-06-26 Thread Joseph A. Nagy, Jr
On 06/26/13 09:40, Michael Schumacher wrote: Von: Joseph A. Nagy, Jr jnagyjr1...@gmail.com To my aged and somewhat failing recoginition, gimp has *always* loaded/queried it's plugins and extensions when starting, irrespective of platform. If 2.8.4 did not, it probably was a failing/bug. I

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-06-26 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 02:21:15 -0400, Jesse Pavel wrote: Have others been experiencing this? This appears to be a bug in 32-bit build - we're looking into it. -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-06-26 Thread scl
Am 26.06.13 22:11, schrieb Jernej Simončič: This appears to be a bug in 32-bit build - we're looking into it. You're right. The 64 bit build doesn't have that delay on startup. Kind regards, Sven ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-06-26 Thread Kevin Payne
...@eternallybored.org Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 22:11:11 +0200 Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 02:21:15 -0400, Jesse Pavel wrote: Have others been experiencing this? This appears to be a bug in 32-bit build - we're looking

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-06-26 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 26.06.2013 22:43, Kevin Payne wrote: Perhaps you could leave it buggy and maybe these python script writers with problems won't see their changes ignored: http://gimpforums.com/thread-problems-using-python-scripts http://gimpchat.com/viewtopic.php?f=9t=6486 Or, as an alternative, someone

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

2013-06-26 Thread Joseph A. Nagy, Jr
On 06/26/13 15:17, scl wrote: Am 26.06.13 22:11, schrieb Jernej Simončič: This appears to be a bug in 32-bit build - we're looking into it. You're right. The 64 bit build doesn't have that delay on startup. Kind regards, Sven ___ gimp-user-list