Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp is not free... that's why people prefer paid software.

2014-01-09 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
08 янв. 2014 г. 11:02 пользователь FallenLegend for...@gimpusers.com
написал:

 No, GIMP is not free Nor any open source program for that matter.It costs
the
 time and effort our brilliant developers gift us and yes even money
because
 their work has a lot of valueSo why we keep pretending it is really
free.

It's just a matter of perspective. Things that make no sense to you make a
perfect sense to others, and vice versa.

 Why not pay them for their hard work? why  we don't  pay for developers
to work
 in open source like GIMP as if it was a job?. Gimp is an will always be
free but
 Why we not as users pay to have developers work on this proyect?

Again, a matter of perspective. Also, a matter of background. Not every
team is ready to do the paperwork, the coordination work etc. Not every
team thinks that having community as a boss is a great idea. Not every team
has developers available for full-time work. Some developers go as far as
refusing to accept donations altogether.

 I think one day we as fans of gimp should have this option. To pay
developers to
 work fro GIMP

The future will show :) Personally, I agree with you on quite a few pointa.
But at the same time I respect the team's view that centralized paid work
is not a good idea at this time.

Alexandre
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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp is not free... that's why people prefer paid software.

2014-01-08 Thread Marco Ciampa
On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 08:39:12AM +0100, Marco Ciampa wrote:
 On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 08:02:01AM +0100, FallenLegend wrote:
  No, GIMP is not free Nor any open source program for that matter.It costs 
  the
  time and effort our brilliant developers gift us and yes even money because
  their work has a lot of valueSo why we keep pretending it is really 
  free.
 
 
 
 I stop here, there is a big misunderstanding.
 
  using the word libre instead of free helps a lot...

I reckon I was too concise. I meant that that stress upon the money does
not tell you the whole story. Free is about freedom. Often
developers asked no money but just programming help. IMHO money (usually)
just leads to diverge projects from the useful to the marketing / popular
/ fashion requests and that seriously hurts free projects
like GIMP. There is a reason why althought so few the free
developers produce such high quality software: they have no bosses.
They decide on their own. This behaviour is not error free but usually
produce far more efficient, better and error free code.

Compare the results with so many 24h programmers Adobe Photoshop
sports and how trementulsy efficients are GIMP devs.

I know that GIMP devs are on average smarter than Adobe ones ;-) but that
does not explain this fact. I believe freedom is smarter and the
only way to keep it smart is staying away from money.
You COULD introduce money but you have to do it without constrains, and
IMHO this is a very difficoult thing to do.
I myself have no idea on how it could be done.

Please. forgive my bad english.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp is not free... that's why people prefer paid software.

2014-01-07 Thread Marco Ciampa
On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 08:02:01AM +0100, FallenLegend wrote:
 No, GIMP is not free Nor any open source program for that matter.It costs the
 time and effort our brilliant developers gift us and yes even money because
 their work has a lot of valueSo why we keep pretending it is really 
 free.



I stop here, there is a big misunderstanding.

 using the word libre instead of free helps a lot...

-- 


Marco Ciampa

L'utopia sta all'orizzonte. Mi avvicino  di due passi, lei si allontana
di due  passi. Faccio dieci  passi e  l'orizzonte si allontana  di dieci
passi.  Per quanto cammini, non la raggiungerò  mai. A cosa serve
l'utopia? A questo: serve a camminare.  Eduardo Galeano

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| Linux User  #78271 |
| FSFE fellow   #364 |
++
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