Re: [Gimp-user] Layer Opacity Access Point(s) Madness
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 7:32 PM, PSCS5ImagerConvert wrote:
--REVISED INITIAL POST-- {As of Sunday, September 1, 2013}
Still not human-readable. We already know you are frustrated, no need
to repeat that. Try explaining in short sentences what you are trying
to achieve and what you see instead. Like this:
1. I need to do [description of action]
2. I do [first step]
3. I do [second step]
4. I do [X=1 step]
5. Instead I see [pronlem description]
Alexandre
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Re: [Gimp-user] Layer Opacity Access Point(s) Madness
That was pretty difficult to get a handle on. Is this what you're looking for: Windows/Dockable Dialogs/Layers (ctlL) 2nd thing down is an Opacity slider. Are you looking for a way to select a specific layer and operate on it using the Opacity slider via the keyboard? Or just find the slider in the first place? Gary ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Layer Opacity Access Point(s) Madness
Am 31.08.2013 00:56, schrieb Richard Gitschlag: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 22:48:39 +0200 From: ofn...@laposte.net Next these pesky users will also want to know the blend mode and locks for that layer or group... could all this be displayed when hovering the pointer over the layer thumbnail? That sounds like a decent idea: Hover the mouse over a layer and it will pop up a tooltip identifying the two things you can't tell from a glance - the layer's blending mode and opacity. or one step closer to the action -- what about providing such adjustments directly on canvas? -peter ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Layer Opacity Access Point(s) Madness
On 08/31/2013 11:53 AM, yahvuu wrote: Am 31.08.2013 00:56, schrieb Richard Gitschlag: Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 22:48:39 +0200 From: ofn...@laposte.net Next these pesky users will also want to know the blend mode and locks for that layer or group... could all this be displayed when hovering the pointer over the layer thumbnail? That sounds like a decent idea: Hover the mouse over a layer and it will pop up a tooltip identifying the two things you can't tell from a glance - the layer's blending mode and opacity. or one step closer to the action -- what about providing such adjustments directly on canvas? How would you identify a layer on the canvas? The topmost non-transparent one (like the Move tool uses)? ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Layer Opacity Access Point(s) Madness
Am 31.08.2013 12:21, schrieb Ofnuts: How would you identify a layer on the canvas? The topmost non-transparent one (like the Move tool uses)? that's a tough question. And where to set the opacity threshold when choosing from multiple layers that contribute to the pixel under the cursor? Things become worse with blend modes like multiply, when there is no way to determine which layer is on top just by looking at the canvas. For example, a bottom black layer can appear as if it were on top of a multiply-mode layer: http://yahvuu.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/canvas-visible-order.png On the solutions side, it has been suggested to tilt the canvas in 3D to make the layer stack accessible: http://gimp-brainstorm.blogspot.de/2008/06/3d-layers.html This scheme works surprisingly well for analysing the hierarchical structure of HTML documents: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/3D_View#Controlling_the_3D_view One might also think of digging into the layer stack analogous to digging into the earth which reveals the stratigraphy of rock layers. just brainstorming, peter ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Layer Opacity Access Point(s) Madness
3D view could be a solution for powerfull PC, not for too big image on too little ram. Would it be possible to use one program with many UIs? Let's say i start GIMP and can switch between single window mode, multiple window mode. Within each of this mode there could be next switch to see content in normal structure or 3D view. It reminds ideas like 3D goopher or Compiz - nice shiny toy to hang computer. Gimp is image editing software - it operate on files that need lot of ram. All this 3D features would just add another demands for hardware. At least leave an option to disable them. Otherwise we might end up with insane paradox: Apple workstation and Photoshop CS 666 will be cheaper option than hardware capable of running Gimp 6.66 I don't want to offend anyone - just trying to remind You, that every feature has its cost - no matter whether we count it in hardware resources or in money. If You manage to create additional alternative UI for Gimp - great, if You make normal Gimp more expensive just to get few visible clues - this is controversial. Dominik Tabisz 2013/8/31, yahvuu yah...@gmail.com: Am 31.08.2013 12:21, schrieb Ofnuts: How would you identify a layer on the canvas? The topmost non-transparent one (like the Move tool uses)? that's a tough question. And where to set the opacity threshold when choosing from multiple layers that contribute to the pixel under the cursor? Things become worse with blend modes like multiply, when there is no way to determine which layer is on top just by looking at the canvas. For example, a bottom black layer can appear as if it were on top of a multiply-mode layer: http://yahvuu.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/canvas-visible-order.png On the solutions side, it has been suggested to tilt the canvas in 3D to make the layer stack accessible: http://gimp-brainstorm.blogspot.de/2008/06/3d-layers.html This scheme works surprisingly well for analysing the hierarchical structure of HTML documents: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/3D_View#Controlling_the_3D_view One might also think of digging into the layer stack analogous to digging into the earth which reveals the stratigraphy of rock layers. just brainstorming, peter ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list -- Dominik Tabisz ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Layer Opacity Access Point(s) Madness
On 08/31/2013 01:13 PM, yahvuu wrote: Am 31.08.2013 12:21, schrieb Ofnuts: How would you identify a layer on the canvas? The topmost non-transparent one (like the Move tool uses)? that's a tough question. And where to set the opacity threshold when choosing from multiple layers that contribute to the pixel under the cursor? Things become worse with blend modes like multiply, when there is no way to determine which layer is on top just by looking at the canvas. For example, a bottom black layer can appear as if it were on top of a multiply-mode layer: http://yahvuu.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/canvas-visible-order.png On the solutions side, it has been suggested to tilt the canvas in 3D to make the layer stack accessible: On the other hand the Layers stack is already accessible in the Layers list... ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Layer Opacity Access Point(s) Madness
TL;DR
Can you please say the same again, in a few readable sentences?
What is broken/missing?
On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 23:26 +0200, PSCS5ImagerConvert wrote:
GIMP: Opacity Access Obscurity
I. Would-be Satisfied User Question
II. System Feature Access Change Request | Recommendation, for GIMP SMEs and
Online Enthusiasts' Forum:
Maddening | Urgent Help Request:
I. Apparent is no navigational work-around for a lost, deleted (or simply no
included/provided) Layer Opacity access feature ... at least in my version of
GIMP v. 2.8.6; ie, I cannot locate among the application's Primary tabs any
tab/sub-tab/path/palette link/hot button/menu/sub-menu/relevant-other-tab/data
entry field prompt | window/mini-portal, to a much desired
{ASIDE 1 of 2: albeit often one such Layer Opacity tool is readily referenced
in
several of the extant online tutorials as a given, and it is, too,
often
depicted, replete with a supporting screenshot, no less: so the feature must
exist perhaps commanded by hidden access privilege(s) somehow, somewhere
within GIMP ... for some users, at least ;-)}:
GIMP | GUI Other Layer Opacity Access Priority Change Recommendations:
Primary Layer tab's, anticipated, Layer Opacity tool/option
tab/sub-tab/path/palette link/hot button/menu/sub-menu/relevant-other-tab/data
entry field prompt | window/mini-portal or the like access point(s) is not
found.
Its (such a Layer Opacity tool/option's form-factor would be manifest
typically
as an Opacity Glider aka a selectable |adjustable progress bar; nor, for that
matter, is there evidence of any semblance of a percentage (%) transparency
scroll bar nor an expectable like prompt data-entry field, of any description,
which conceivably would execute a layer's desired fade user-specification
(opacity) aka a amiss is any Layer Opacity adjustment tool (if such does in
fact already exist) access point(s), whatsoever.
Despite CIRCULAR narratives communicated on this, GIMP's official site, and
among the posts of those others created by or in service to | contributed to
by
GIMP enthusiasts, there exists no CLEAR nor MEANINGFUL ADDRESS as to how one
MAKES APPARENT aka would ACCESS ie, access point(s) for Layer Opacity: neither
by mouse clicking nor by eg, shortcut keys entry navigation/specification, for
such a Layer Opacity tool access point(s).
II. Again, when no such tab/sub-tab/path/palette link/hot
button/menu/sub-menu/relevant-other-tab/data entry field prompt |
window/mini-portal can be readily found to exist among one -- and ideally in
more than one -- access point and by more than one navigational path -- GIMP's
version (again, v. 2.8.6) is rendered effectively useless for layered imagery
work; user satisfaction spirals downward rapidly after a work-around search --
proves counter-intuitive ie, poor anticipatory GUI provisioning, or within the
application ie, its Help and/or its User Guide index, and/or among online
forums
-- exceeds 5, 10, 30, 60, 120 minutes.
FIASCO is what that scenario spells: Why could GIMP's SMEs have failed on such
an imperative SDLC GUI, indexing and easy-access multi-cross-referencing
point(s) objective for this version's release?
And what, if any, work-around, for Layer Opacity tool access point(s) within
the
application, for selection of a layer(s) desired opacity display aka fade
level,
would be advised, if, in fact, said does exist as a viable tool (just not
easily
nor readily accessed) within GIMP 2.8.6? Why the Layer Opacity access point(s)
convolution?
Welcomed would be directions as to any navigation(al) path for said Layer
Opacity tool access point(s). NONE is (access point) | are (access points)
currently apparent under GIMP's 2.8.6 banner | top-level ribbon | panel of
Primary Tabs, nor is such evident within its sub-tabs nor User Guide's Index
nor
tutorials nor blogosphere.
{ASIDE 2 of 2: in fact, Layer Opacity should appear in, so addressed, in both
the very beginning of the User Guide, and then latter in the specific Layers
section but in a more detailed explication, within the latter] nor those
tabs' secondary tabs, nor, for that matter under any tertiary-level tabs.
Primary Tabs, namely, Tools, Layer, View nor any their cross-linked sub-tabs
to other tab/sub-tab/path/palette link/hot
button/menu/sub-menu/relevant-other-tab/data entry field prompt |
window/mini-portal | option(s) | location(s) avails a sort of Layer Opacity
Adjustment tool, whatsoever.}
Lack of any easy-access point(s) aka obscure Layer Opacity (eg, a % glider)
tool(s) blemishes one's entire would-be GIMP user-experience. Address of said
shortcomings is URGENTLY needed, as recommended.
Again the question persists: Is
Re: [Gimp-user] Layer Opacity Access Point(s) Madness
On 08/30/2013 12:16 AM, Michael Natterer wrote: TL;DR Can you please say the same again, in a few readable sentences? What is broken/missing? On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 23:26 +0200, PSCS5ImagerConvert wrote: GIMP: Opacity Access Obscurity I think the OP is concerned because the opacity slider does not affect the active layer. I tried to adjust opacity of a filled layer by changing the slider but could never manage to see anything of the layer below. Seems like I could before 2.8.6 but I don't use it much so I don't recall well. Bucket fill of a region works reasonably; that's what I've used more often. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Layer Opacity Access Point(s) Madness
I think I've deciphered your request and please correct me if I'm wrong (preferably in a concise way), but you are saying that you don't have an Opacity slider in your Layers dialog? http://docs.gimp.org/2.8/en/gimp-dialogs-structure.html#gimp-layer-dialog You've met one requirement for requesting help by specifying the version of GIMP that you are using, but have failed to meet the requirement to inform us of the operating system that you are using. Please do so as it may be a significant factor in finding the remedy for your problem. Regards Kevin Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 23:26:15 +0200 From: for...@gimpusers.com To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org CC: t...@gimpusers.com Subject: [Gimp-user] Layer Opacity Access Point(s) Madness GIMP: Opacity Access Obscurity I. Would-be Satisfied User Question II. System Feature Access Change Request | Recommendation, for GIMP SMEs and Online Enthusiasts' Forum: Maddening | Urgent Help Request: I. Apparent is no navigational work-around for a lost, deleted (or simply no PSCS5ImagerConvert (via www.gimpusers.com/forums) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Layer Opacity Access Point(s) Madness
On Fri, 2013-08-30 at 00:58 -0700, Burnie West wrote: On 08/30/2013 12:16 AM, Michael Natterer wrote: TL;DR Can you please say the same again, in a few readable sentences? What is broken/missing? On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 23:26 +0200, PSCS5ImagerConvert wrote: GIMP: Opacity Access Obscurity I think the OP is concerned because the opacity slider does not affect the active layer. I tried to adjust opacity of a filled layer by changing the slider but could never manage to see anything of the layer below. Seems like I could before 2.8.6 but I don't use it much so I don't recall well. Seem to work fine here, and I think we would have heard it already if such an important control was broken. I really don't know what this is about. --Mitch ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Layer Opacity Access Point(s) Madness
On 08/29/2013 11:26 PM, PSCS5ImagerConvert wrote: GIMP: Opacity Access Obscurity I. Would-be Satisfied User Question II. System Feature Access Change Request | Recommendation, for GIMP SMEs and Online Enthusiasts' Forum: Maddening | Urgent Help Request: [ ... snippage ... ] TL;DR... Are you taking about this? http://i.imgur.com/ECJVe4q.png ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Layer Opacity Access Point(s) Madness
Gesendet: Freitag, 30. August 2013 um 09:16 Uhr Von: Michael Natterer mi...@gimp.org TL;DR Can you please say the same again, in a few readable sentences? For the records: I've discarded that mail as a failed spam attempt - lots of copypasted text with enough keywords mixed in to make it seem on-topic :) -- Regards, Michael ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Layer Opacity Access Point(s) Madness
On Fri, 2013-08-30 at 12:22 +0200, Michael Natterer wrote: I think the OP is concerned because the opacity slider does not affect the active layer. It does. The UI would be massively clearer if the opacity slider was moved down under the other layer-specific controls and maybe under the list of layers, or under the actual layer name - it's not obvious today that the opacity slider applies to the layer selected in the list beneath it. That's my best guess at why someone might not find it - I've heard people having difficulty with that before. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Layer Opacity Access Point(s) Madness
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote: On Fri, 2013-08-30 at 12:22 +0200, Michael Natterer wrote: I think the OP is concerned because the opacity slider does not affect the active layer. It does. The UI would be massively clearer if the opacity slider was moved down under the other layer-specific controls and maybe under the list of layers, or under the actual layer name - it's not obvious today that the opacity slider applies to the layer selected in the list beneath it. IMO, this is worth thinking about. Right now it's not possible to have an overlook of each layer's opacity. OTOH, one might argue a visible slider for each layer would clutter UI. Alexandre ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Layer Opacity Access Point(s) Madness
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 22:48:39 +0200 From: ofn...@laposte.net To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Layer Opacity Access Point(s) Madness Next these pesky users will also want to know the blend mode and locks for that layer or group... could all this be displayed when hovering the pointer over the layer thumbnail? That sounds like a decent idea: Hover the mouse over a layer and it will pop up a tooltip identifying the two things you can't tell from a glance - the layer's blending mode and opacity. -- Stratadrake strata_ran...@hotmail.com Numbers may not lie, but neither do they tell the whole truth. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Layer Opacity Access Point(s) Madness
On 08/31/2013 05:28 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote: On Fri, 2013-08-30 at 12:22 +0200, Michael Natterer wrote: I think the OP is concerned because the opacity slider does not affect the active layer. It does. The UI would be massively clearer if the opacity slider was moved down under the other layer-specific controls and maybe under the list of layers, or under the actual layer name - it's not obvious today that the opacity slider applies to the layer selected in the list beneath it. IMO, this is worth thinking about. Right now it's not possible to have an overlook of each layer's opacity. OTOH, one might argue a visible slider for each layer would clutter UI. I think the opacity (display) widget should be a small (eg 10x2 or 20x4 pixel) progress bar for each layer. While I'm at it, a lock widget could be a similarly small green (unlocked) or red (locked) round button. It doesn't need to actually look like a lock. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
