Re: [Gimp-user] Photoshop vs Gimp for mobile dev?
Well I'm glad I asked. Thanks for all the great info and answers. But one thing I forgot to mention in my first big spiel, (I'm very new to Gimp so am just trying to get the capabilities of it) is, whether anyone knows of has personal experience using Gimp for incorporation with video editing or like After Effects, work like that? Just wondering. I see some pages on that, but thought since you all have so much experience with it... Thanks again for all the help, Dan On 12/31/11, Ronald F. Guilmette r...@tristatelogic.com wrote: In message CAL8n2zMck+rVT-xF=6k621a6iyzfoczmjvprvrbun-gffb_...@mail.gmail.com , Frank Gore g...@friendlyphotozone.com wrote: http://www.digikam.org/drupal/node/373 I've used Digikam for my photo collections for years. Hey! Thanks a bunch! I didn't know about that one at all. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Photoshop vs Gimp for mobile dev?
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Daniel Smith wrote: or has anyone heard of using/modifying Gimp for mobile dev purposes? It doesn't make a terrible lot of sense :) Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Photoshop vs Gimp for mobile dev?
To all early New Years partiers... Just to be clear, though it's funny, I didn't mean using gimp ON mobile devices, I meant using gimp to develop FOR mobile devices. Now reread those links I sent, rethink, repost. Thanks Dan On 12/31/11, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Daniel Smith wrote: or has anyone heard of using/modifying Gimp for mobile dev purposes? It doesn't make a terrible lot of sense :) Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Photoshop vs Gimp for mobile dev?
* Daniel Smith opened...@gmail.com [12-31-11 12:17]: I used to work with Photoshop every day for 10 years, and I think that people who truly have a preference merely like the interface better because they're used to it. I haven't been in graphics for a while now, and I find Gimp every bit as good as the old(er) Photoshop I used to use, especially for print or web pages. Of course, the last versions I ever even opened was CS or CS2 of pshop. It does seem support for RAW in Gimp is rather problematic. I don't understand this statement, last sentence. RAW support for/in gimp is provided by the same decoder most of the commercial apps utilize, dcraw. And is updated much more frequently and w/o cost compared to the commercial apps. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Photoshop vs Gimp for mobile dev?
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 11:01 PM, Daniel Smith wrote: To all early New Years partiers... There are, you know, timezones ;-) Just to be clear, though it's funny, I didn't mean using gimp ON mobile devices, I meant using gimp to develop FOR mobile devices. http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2010/10/19/exporting-qml-from-photoshop-and-gimp/ That's about all I know of. Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Photoshop vs Gimp for mobile dev?
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote: I don't understand this statement, last sentence. RAW support for/in gimp is provided by the same decoder most of the commercial apps utilize, dcraw. And is updated much more frequently and w/o cost compared to the commercial apps. Only if you mean DCRaw. Because UFRaw development pretty much stagnated. Two releases in last two years. Compare that to ACR. Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Photoshop vs Gimp for mobile dev?
* Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com [12-31-11 14:11]: On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote: I don't understand this statement, last sentence. RAW support for/in gimp is provided by the same decoder most of the commercial apps utilize, dcraw. And is updated much more frequently and w/o cost compared to the commercial apps. Only if you mean DCRaw. Because UFRaw development pretty much stagnated. Two releases in last two years. Compare that to ACR. :^) quote from above is provided by the same decoder most of the commercial apps utilize, dcraw. And is updated much more frequently and w/o cost compared to /quote and I cannot compare to ACR, will not pay license fees. Rather buy glass for my D3 :^). -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Photoshop vs Gimp for mobile dev?
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: Only if you mean DCRaw. Because UFRaw development pretty much stagnated. Two releases in last two years. Compare that to ACR. Yeah, the current version of UFraw is pretty far behind. Gimp does not make use of dcraw directly, it uses UFraw. And since dcraw is not a library, UFraw doesn't benefit from updates to dcraw unless they keep up with releases. UFraw currently barely supports my 2-year-old Pentax K-x, it's pretty pathetic. -- Frank Gore THE place to talk photography! www.FriendlyPhotoZone.com ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Photoshop vs Gimp for mobile dev?
On 12/31/2011 01:45 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Daniel Smith wrote: or has anyone heard of using/modifying Gimp for mobile dev purposes? +1 - a bitmap image is a bitmap image, as long as the editor and the target app support one relevant format in common, that's all there is :o) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Photoshop vs Gimp for mobile dev?
In message cal8n2zm3hdjocyvjpcqr_56qdnkoxquqyzmksnyfmorw9s4...@mail.gmail.com , Frank Gore g...@friendlyphotozone.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: Only if you mean DCRaw. Because UFRaw development pretty much stagnated. Two releases in last two years. Compare that to ACR. Yeah, the current version of UFraw is pretty far behind. Gimp does not make use of dcraw directly, it uses UFraw. And since dcraw is not a library, UFraw doesn't benefit from updates to dcraw unless they keep up with releases. UFraw currently barely supports my 2-year-old Pentax K-x, it's pretty pathetic. I've only been skimming the messages in this thread, but the discussion of raw files caught my attention, and I have a question... I've been planning on buying a Lumix DMC-FZ150 next year, when the prices come down some more. (I already own a DMC-ZS7 and I think it is probably the best camera I've ever owned. Images are sharp, and when the thing is in it's intelligent auto mode, it is almost impossible to take a bad picture.) One of the advantages of the FZ150, compared to its predecessors in the FZ series, is that it can do raw. (It also has an intelligent hotshoe... one of only about three or four long zoom bridge cameras that has that, and something I personally find indispensible.) Anyway, I just now went and resarched it and found that the Lumix cameras produce their raw images into something called .RW2 files. I'd just like to ask if there is going to be any problem in reading those into Gimp and/or getting them converted into something like standard tiff files, preferably on Linux/FreeBSD, rather than say, Windoze. (I don't like to use Windoze if I can avoid it.) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Photoshop vs Gimp for mobile dev?
* Ronald F. Guilmette r...@tristatelogic.com [12-31-11 16:42]: I've been planning on buying a Lumix DMC-FZ150 next year, when the prices come down some more. ... I'd just like to ask if there is going to be any problem in reading those into Gimp and/or getting them converted into something like standard tiff files, preferably on Linux/FreeBSD, rather than say, Windoze. I would guess that when it doubt, the best course of action would be to check. http://www.cybercom.net/~dcoffin/dcraw/ -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Photoshop vs Gimp for mobile dev?
* Patrick Shanahan ptilopt...@gmail.com [12-31-11 16:54]: * Ronald F. Guilmette r...@tristatelogic.com [12-31-11 16:42]: I've been planning on buying a Lumix DMC-FZ150 next year, when the prices come down some more. ... I'd just like to ask if there is going to be any problem in reading those into Gimp and/or getting them converted into something like standard tiff files, preferably on Linux/FreeBSD, rather than say, Windoze. I would guess that when it doubt, the best course of action would be to check. http://www.cybercom.net/~dcoffin/dcraw/ Guess I should do the entire job :^) http://ufraw.sourceforge.net/Cameras.html -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Photoshop vs Gimp for mobile dev?
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette r...@tristatelogic.com wrote: Anyway, I just now went and resarched it and found that the Lumix cameras produce their raw images into something called .RW2 files. Might be worth checking if it can also generate .DNG files. All of my Pentax cameras from the last 3 years (K-7, K-x, K-5) have the option of creating either Pentax-specific RAW files (.PEF) or .DNG RAW files. The .DNGs are pretty standardized and can be processed by most RAW processing software regardless of camera-specific support. The only issues you'll come across is that sometimes the extra pixels on some edges of the frame won't be automatically cropped out if your specific camera model isn't supported. -- Frank Gore THE place to talk photography! www.FriendlyPhotoZone.com ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Photoshop vs Gimp for mobile dev?
In message 20111231215357.gs25...@wahoo.no-ip.org, Patrick Shanahan ptilopt...@gmail.com wrote: * Ronald F. Guilmette r...@tristatelogic.com [12-31-11 16:42]: I've been planning on buying a Lumix DMC-FZ150 next year, when the prices come down some more. ... I'd just like to ask if there is going to be any problem in reading those into Gimp and/or getting them converted into something like standard tiff files, preferably on Linux/FreeBSD, rather than say, Windoze. I would guess that when it doubt, the best course of action would be to check. http://www.cybercom.net/~dcoffin/dcraw/ Well, yea, I looked at that. But often, online documentation doesn't tell the real or complete story, so I thought that I would ask. Also, dcraw may grok .RW2 files OK, but didn't somebody here just say that UFRaw (which Gimp also needs to read these kinds of files?) is seriously behind the curve? Bottom line: Has anybody here actually, personally, and successfully used Gimp+DCRaw+UFRaw to read Lumix raw files? That's my real question. (And I'd like to know before I spend about four hundred bucks on a new Lumix camera.) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Photoshop vs Gimp for mobile dev?
In message 20111231215523.gt25...@wahoo.no-ip.org, Patrick Shanahan ptilopt...@gmail.com wrote: Guess I should do the entire job :^) http://ufraw.sourceforge.net/Cameras.html Yes, thanks. I saw that too. But if you will recall, is was just earlier today that Frank Gore g...@friendlyphotozone.com wrote: Yeah, the current version of UFraw is pretty far behind. Gimp does not make use of dcraw directly, it uses UFraw. And since dcraw is not a library, UFraw doesn't benefit from updates to dcraw unless they keep up with releases. UFraw currently barely supports my 2-year-old Pentax K-x, it's pretty pathetic. The Pentax K-x is listed on the page you pointed me to (as being a supported camera type) but there's a difference between supported and (in Frank Gore's words) barely supported. And I've experienced that difference myself in other situations with other (entirely unrelated) software and it is most frustrating and unproductive. (I still can't get my new Epson Perfection V500 Photo scanner to work with anything *NIX, even though it theory it should be able to.) So this explains why I asked about gimp support for .RW2 files, even though I did in fact already see the pages you helpfully pointed me to. I'd like to know if Gimp supports .RW2 files, or if it only barely supports them (perhaps even, God forbid, in a pathetic way). ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Photoshop vs Gimp for mobile dev?
In message CAL8n2zN+=44uKMko4QbAww10XR2SVg3v1bFtoL=Lu4Qud4=5...@mail.gmail.com , Frank Gore g...@friendlyphotozone.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette r...@tristatelogic.com wrote: Anyway, I just now went and resarched it and found that the Lumix cameras produce their raw images into something called .RW2 files. Might be worth checking if it can also generate .DNG files. All of my Pentax cameras from the last 3 years (K-7, K-x, K-5) have the option of creating either Pentax-specific RAW files (.PEF) or .DNG RAW files. The .DNGs are pretty standardized and can be processed by most RAW processing software regardless of camera-specific support. The only issues you'll come across is that sometimes the extra pixels on some edges of the frame won't be automatically cropped out if your specific camera model isn't supported. Thank you! I am researching this now. So far it doesn't look good, which is to say that I don't think that the Lumix cameras can produce .DNG files on their own. But I also learned that there is a free DNG Converter utility available on the adobe.com site, an I just downloaded a copy of it, so I'll have it later on, just in case. The bad news? Of course, it is only available for Windoze and Mac. :-( Oh well. Better than nothing if I can't get Gimp+DCRaw+UFRaw to work for any reason. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Photoshop vs Gimp for mobile dev?
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette r...@tristatelogic.com wrote: But I also learned that there is a free DNG Converter utility available on the adobe.com site, an I just downloaded a copy of it, so I'll have it later on, just in case. The bad news? Of course, it is only available for Windoze and Mac. :-( Oh well. Better than nothing if I can't get Gimp+DCRaw+UFRaw to work for any reason. http://www.digikam.org/drupal/node/373 I've used Digikam for my photo collections for years. -- Frank Gore THE place to talk photography! www.FriendlyPhotoZone.com ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Photoshop vs Gimp for mobile dev?
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 14:55:21 -0800 Ronald F. Guilmette r...@tristatelogic.com wrote: The bad news? Of course, it is only available for Windoze and Mac. :-( Oh well. Better than nothing if I can't get Gimp+DCRaw+UFRaw to work for any reason. Did you check digikam? http://www.barrypearson.co.uk/articles/dng/products_y7.htm Exceptionally, this product is also listed below as a raw converter, (but only counts once towards the total of products that support DNG). It is the first DNG Converter that runs native on Linux. (It also runs on Windows and MacOS-X). John ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Photoshop vs Gimp for mobile dev?
On 12/31/2011 05:55 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: But I also learned that there is a free DNG Converter utility available on the adobe.com site, an I just downloaded a copy of it, so I'll have it later on, just in case. The bad news? Of course, it is only available for Windoze and Mac. :-( Oh well. Better than nothing if I can't get Gimp+DCRaw+UFRaw to work for any reason. Since this is not the kind of application that would be expected to depend on proprietary Microsoft libraries, and runs on Windoze and Mac, it is very likely (99% or so) that it will work perfectly well under WINE on Linux. If you can get hold of any file that it can convert, you can test it under WINE and if it works at all, it should work for all supported file formats. Or if that fails, Virtualbox and and any old Microsoft OS installer disk should be just a little less inconvenient than buying a low end used computer with the required OS already on it... :o) Steve ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Photoshop vs Gimp for mobile dev?
* Ronald F. Guilmette r...@tristatelogic.com [12-31-11 17:39]: So this explains why I asked about gimp support for .RW2 files, even though I did in fact already see the pages you helpfully pointed me to. I'd like to know if Gimp supports .RW2 files, or if it only barely supports them (perhaps even, God forbid, in a pathetic way). Surely you can find and download a native raw, .rw2, file from your chosen camera and try it :^) ps: I did before getting my d70, then d200, d3. Too big a step for unknowns -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Photoshop vs Gimp for mobile dev?
In message CAL8n2zMck+rVT-xF=6k621a6iyzfoczmjvprvrbun-gffb_...@mail.gmail.com , Frank Gore g...@friendlyphotozone.com wrote: http://www.digikam.org/drupal/node/373 I've used Digikam for my photo collections for years. Hey! Thanks a bunch! I didn't know about that one at all. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
