[Gimp-user] adjustment layer

2006-09-29 Thread Daniel Barna
Hi, I have searched a lot about adjustment layers in the gimp, but only found complaining messages about their absence (in contrast to Photoshop). I am a newbie, and I was advised by an expert friend to use Photoshop due to some of its extra features, like adjustment layers. However, I would

Re: [Gimp-user] adjustment layer

2006-09-29 Thread Carol Spears
On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 11:51:38AM +0200, Daniel Barna wrote: Hi, I have searched a lot about adjustment layers in the gimp, but only found complaining messages about their absence (in contrast to Photoshop). I am a newbie, and I was advised by an expert friend to use Photoshop due to some

Re: [Gimp-user] adjustment layer

2006-09-29 Thread Donncha O Caoimh
Hi Daniel, Adjustment layers do sound like a great idea but they're not a part of the GIMP. I found a script-fu plugin that does something similar, but is limited because it only allows the user to apply specific functions: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/1473128/ I find that copying the

Re: [Gimp-user] adjustment layer

2006-09-29 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On 9/29/06, Donncha O Caoimh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Daniel, Adjustment layers do sound like a great idea but they're not a part of the GIMP. I found a script-fu plugin that does something similar, but is limited because it only allows the user to apply specific functions:

[Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread Roland Hordos
Hi, Whileall othercredible opensource projects are gaining ground in a professional IT setting, the GIMP is being held back because of the instant derogatory impact of the name. If someone who can champion this task reads this, please humble yourself for the sake of this amazing software that

Re: [Gimp-user] adjustment layer

2006-09-29 Thread Simon Budig
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: You mean ? :Gimp went into feature freeze in October 1997. This meant that no new features would be added to the Gimp core libraries and program. cf : http://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/docs/gimp/en/ch01s03.html You misunderstood the term feature

Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread Jakub Steiner
Hi list, in addition, can we change the default colors to read african-american and caucasian? thanks -- Jakub Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU

Re: [Gimp-user] adjustment layer

2006-09-29 Thread bruno . vasta
Selon Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED]: When Version 2.4 has been released we'll lift the feature freeze again and incorporate a lot of new and exciting stuff into the GIMPs code base. But it will take some time until this new stuff gets released as part of a stable release, especially since

Re: [Gimp-user] adjustment layer

2006-09-29 Thread Carol Spears
On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 05:02:43PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Selon Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thanks for your cool answer Simon...mine to Carol was almost sarcastic. sorry for your misunderstanding. this is what i would say to a friend. an example would be a situation where they

Re: [Gimp-user] Printing to non-epson printer

2006-09-29 Thread John R. Culleton
On Sunday 24 September 2006 10:54, Matthew Polashek wrote: I have been trying to figure out how to print to my xerox color laser printer. Any suggestions? Thanks! Matt In general Gimp is best used to create illos for documents/web pages rather than the documents themselves. But you can save

Re: [Gimp-user] adjustment layer

2006-09-29 Thread Simon Budig
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Then to stay in the subject...you mean that The Gimp 2.4 will be able to deal with things like direct effects, adjustement layers, vector text ? No, Gimp 2.4 will not have these things. If you want to have a not-so-sneak-preview of Gipm 2.4 then try

Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread John R. Culleton
On Friday 29 September 2006 09:38, Jakub Steiner wrote: Hi list, in addition, can we change the default colors to read african-american and caucasian? thanks No because not all B---k people are American. and not all Africans are B---k. To suggest either would be entirely too chauvinistic.

Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread Alan Horkan
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Roland Hordos wrote: Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 06:54:48 -0600 From: Roland Hordos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU Subject: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name Hi, While all other credible opensource

Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread Andrew
Roland Hordos wrote: Hi, While all other credible opensource projects are gaining ground in a professional IT setting, the GIMP is being held back because of the instant derogatory impact of the name. If someone who can champion this task reads this, please humble yourself for the sake of

RE: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread Roland Hordos
Hi Alan, Thanks for an intelligent and articulate response. I suspected the disconnect with reality, bringing me to post to the users list first instead of the developers'. Being a software developer and contributor to other open source projects, I understand the complexity issues. I also wish

Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread John R. Culleton
On Friday 29 September 2006 13:48, Roland Hordos wrote: Hi Alan, Thanks for an intelligent and articulate response. I suspected the disconnect with reality, bringing me to post to the users list first instead of the developers'. Being a software developer and contributor to other open

Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Fri, 2006-09-29 at 06:54 -0600, Roland Hordos wrote: While all other credible opensource projects are gaining ground in a professional IT setting, the GIMP is being held back because of the instant derogatory impact of the name. First of all, it's called GIMP, not the GIMP. Then, can

Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread Geoffrey
Alan Horkan wrote: On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Roland Hordos wrote: Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 06:54:48 -0600 From: Roland Hordos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU Subject: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name Hi, While all other credible

Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread Geoffrey
John R. Culleton wrote: Bottom line, I thought the name Gimp a bit lame when I first heard it but now it falls trippingly from my tongue. When I hear it in the context of software, I think of GIMP, not the 'word' gimp. -- Until later, Geoffrey Those who would give up essential Liberty,

RE: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread Roland Hordos
For most people on this planet, GIMP doesn't have any special meaning. .. Thank you, I'll correct my original comment. Change that to say: While all other credible opensource projects are gaining ground in a professional IT setting, the GIMP is being held back in the English speaking world

Re: [Gimp-user] adjustment layer

2006-09-29 Thread bruno . vasta
Very clear. Thanks for a so clear and energizing answer Simon ! It's full of good things even if you warn us about the time it can take. Topic almost closed for me... Sincerely. What happens *after* Gimp 2.4 has been released will go more along the lines you mention. We'll have great changes

Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread Geoffrey
Roland Hordos wrote: For most people on this planet, GIMP doesn't have any special meaning. .. Thank you, I'll correct my original comment. Change that to say: While all other credible opensource projects are gaining ground in a professional IT setting, the GIMP is being held back in the

Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [09-29-06 15:12]: Roland Hordos wrote: While all other credible opensource projects are gaining ground in a professional IT setting, the GIMP is being held back in the English speaking world because of the instant derogatory impact of the name. Gimp is a term in

Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread bruno . vasta
Selon Roland Hordos [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, While all other credible opensource projects are gaining ground in a professional IT setting, the GIMP is being held back because of the instant derogatory impact of the name. If someone who can champion this task reads this, please humble

Re: [Gimp-user] adjustment layer

2006-09-29 Thread Carol Spears
On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 08:50:12PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very clear. Thanks for a so clear and energizing answer Simon ! It's full of good things even if you warn us about the time it can take. Topic almost closed for me... Sincerely. What happens *after* Gimp 2.4 has been

Re: [Gimp-user] adjustment layer

2006-09-29 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] [09-29-06 15:54]: i am very sorry that the page has been formated in a way that you have to scroll the page to read the ettiquette which has been suggested there. it has been my experience that even an honest attempt to not top-post emails to this list will

RE: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread Jakub Steiner
On Fri, 2006-09-29 at 12:38 -0600, Roland Hordos wrote: can you proove your claim? Sigh. Try googling is gimp a derogatory term. If you read the sources at the first 10 hits and you still don't understand, then try the next 15000. Hi Roland, what Sven possibly meant here was for you to

Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread Manish Singh
On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 12:38:02PM -0600, Roland Hordos wrote: can you proove your claim? Sigh. Try googling is gimp a derogatory term. If you read the sources at the first 10 hits and you still don't understand, then try the next 15000. That is not proof. Search for just plain gimp on

Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread Eric P
Jakub Steiner wrote: On Fri, 2006-09-29 at 12:38 -0600, Roland Hordos wrote: what Sven possibly meant here was for you to prove that the name GIMP is a reason why the product isn't used in a professional IT setting, whatever that is. I have been using GIMP professionally for over 5 years

Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread Owen
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 06:54:48 -0600 Roland Hordos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, While all other credible opensource projects are gaining ground in a professional IT setting, the GIMP is being held back because of the instant derogatory impact of the name. If someone who can champion this

Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread Joshua \Angrad\ Burdick
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gimpI personally don't care either way.Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 06:54:48 -0600"Roland Hordos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, While all other credible opensource projects are gaining ground in a professional IT setting, the

RE: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Fri, 2006-09-29 at 12:38 -0600, Roland Hordos wrote: While all other credible opensource projects are gaining ground in a professional IT setting, the GIMP is being held back in the English speaking world because of the instant derogatory impact of the name. Gimp is a term in common

Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:00:25 -0500, Eric P [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I think the name should change not because I find GIMP derogatory but because I think a name that somewhat identified (even vaguely) what sphere the software is used it would be a boon. Inkscape is an excellent

RE: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread Roland Hordos
True, so here goes for my case: .. professional IT setting, whatever that is. .. Windows desktops for Administration, Accounting, Drafting, Engineering, and Executive personnel. .. Novell, Inc. .. as part of their enterprise OS. .. Not user facing. It's a Windows world, let's be honest. I

Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread Warren Baird
Owen wrote: On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 06:54:48 -0600 Roland Hordos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, While all other credible opensource projects are gaining ground in a professional IT setting, the GIMP is being held back because of the instant derogatory impact of the name. If someone who can

RE: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread Roland Hordos
Unreal. Okay, here in Canada the google search I indicated brings up the following in order of top ranking: 1) The first is this link where someone with Cerebral Palsy is discussing the term Gimp and other derogatory terms http://www.flspinalcord.us/FSCIRC-Directors-Blog.cfm 2) The second

Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread Manish Singh
On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 05:32:46PM -0600, Roland Hordos wrote: Unreal. Okay, here in Canada the google search I indicated brings up the following in order of top ranking: 1) The first is this link where someone with Cerebral Palsy is discussing the term Gimp and other derogatory terms

Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread Steve Bibayoff
Hello, On 9/29/06, Roland Hordos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... [...]If you can point out a single commercial product that has mass use in North America that has a derogatory term in it's title, Yahoo I'll withdraw my critique and be gone. :-) Steve

Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread Alan Wolfe
FYI today i was sitting here at a semi new job (been here for a month) at a major skate shoe company, and i needed to edit an image. my options were... A) use microsoft paint B) put in a software license request and wait 2 weeks i chose option C C) install gimp from this perspective, the name

Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread vt
Saturday 30 September 2006 01:35, Raphaël Quinet rašė: If you find a name that meets all these criteria and would probably be immediately adopted by a marketing team if GIMP were a commercial product, then keep in mind that you would still have 90% chance to have the name rejected because

Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread Michael Schumacher
Roland Hordos wrote: If you can point out a single commercial product that has mass use in North America that has a derogatory term in it's title, I'll withdraw my critique and be gone. Spam. Both sorts. HTH, Michael -- GIMP http://www.gimp.org | IRC:

Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread David Herman
On Friday 29 September 2006 11:38, Roland Hordos wrote: Sven, coincidentally while I began to read your response I received a call from an engineering user here wanting to edit a scanned document with Paint or Photoshop. I can't justify the cost of photoshop for 100 desktops and paint is

Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread Eric P
Owen wrote: On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 06:54:48 -0600 I suspect it might just be an issue local to a country, like durex is a condom in the UK, sticky tape here Thanks for clarifying that. I've always wondered why I can't get those suckers off! ___

Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread Chris Mohler
I recall a team we played against in HS - they named the school First Assembly of God School. You can imagine the amount of harassment they got that first year over *that* acronym on the side of the bus. The name became First Assembly of Christ School the next year... I do not believe that GIMP

Re: [Gimp-user] Please Change the Derogatory Name

2006-09-29 Thread Tim Jedlicka
If you can't beat 'em, join 'emHere in the USA there is a term for photographers looking at their LCD after a photo. It is known as CHIMPING - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimping All of us GIMPers should work on changing the term from CHIMPing to GIMPing - this will solve both problems. GIMPing