[Gimp-user] Biggest Frustration

2010-06-21 Thread Steve VanSlyck
My biggest frustration with GIMP is the complete lack of a general object selection tool. Not having an arrow tool is counter intuitive to the way we've been taught since the Faraday saw the first semiconductor claw its way into visibility in 1833.

[Gimp-user] How is 16 bit GIMP doing?

2010-06-21 Thread Ken Warner
Is it still being worked on? If so, is there any word on availability? ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-06-21 Thread Marco Ciampa
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:02:42AM -0400, John Culleton wrote: The developers of Gimp have never given the needs of print media a high priority. As a result most people in the world of print media don't use Gimp. The usual response from the developers of Gimp is that there is little demand

Re: [Gimp-user] How is 16 bit GIMP doing?

2010-06-21 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Ken Warner wrote: Is it still being worked on?  If so, is there any word on availability? When it's ready is the best you can get :) Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ Gimp-user mailing list

Re: [Gimp-user] Biggest Frustration

2010-06-21 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Steve VanSlyck wrote: My biggest frustration with GIMP is the complete lack of a general object selection tool. Not having an arrow tool is counter intuitive to the way we've been taught since the Faraday saw the first semiconductor claw its way into visibility

Re: [Gimp-user] Biggest Frustration

2010-06-21 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 06/21/2010 05:16 PM, Steve VanSlyck wrote: My biggest frustration with GIMP is the complete lack of a general object selection tool. Not having an arrow tool is counter intuitive to the way we've been taught since the Faraday saw the first semiconductor claw its way into visibility in 1833.

Re: [Gimp-user] How is 16 bit GIMP doing?

2010-06-21 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 06/21/2010 05:31 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Ken Warner wrote: Is it still being worked on? If so, is there any word on availability? When it's ready is the best you can get :) There is more to say. Right now the top priority is to get GIMP 2.8

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-06-21 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:02 PM, John Culleton j...@wexfordpress.com wrote: SNIPPAGE I've cut your message since it's been said over and over (and over) again. Lots of people complaining. I've just two things to say to all of you who do: 1. Get real. 2. DTP with open-source software: It's been

Re: [Gimp-user] Biggest Frustration

2010-06-21 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Martin Nordholts ense...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/21/2010 05:16 PM, Steve VanSlyck wrote: My biggest frustration with GIMP is the complete lack of a general object selection tool. Not having an arrow tool is counter intuitive to the way we've been taught since

Re: [Gimp-user] How is 16 bit GIMP doing?

2010-06-21 Thread John Culleton
On Monday 21 June 2010 12:49:00 Martin Nordholts wrote: On 06/21/2010 05:31 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Ken Warner wrote: Is it still being worked on? If so, is there any word on availability? When it's ready is the best you can get :) There is

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-06-21 Thread John Culleton
On Monday 21 June 2010 13:12:19 Branko Vukelic wrote: On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:02 PM, John Culleton j...@wexfordpress.com wrote: SNIPPAGE I've cut your message since it's been said over and over (and over) again. Lots of people complaining. I've just two things to say to all of you who

Re: [Gimp-user] How is 16 bit GIMP doing?

2010-06-21 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 06/21/2010 08:00 PM, John Culleton wrote: And what is the priority/schedule for CMYK? We know we need CMYK sooner or later, but higher bit depths and non-destructiveness is much more important. So first good support for the latter, then we can begin looking into proper support for the

Re: [Gimp-user] How is 16 bit GIMP doing?

2010-06-21 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 8:00 PM, John Culleton j...@wexfordpress.com wrote: And what is the priority/schedule for CMYK? I think 2-4 years is more than enough for CMYK (hopefully). Meanwhile, give separate+ a go. It gets the job done, and very reliable. Latest version supports clipping paths,

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-06-21 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 8:04 PM, John Culleton j...@wexfordpress.com wrote: Yes I do DTP with TeX and Scribus. But my question is about CMYK on Gimp. When? Well, if you insist. I must ask you this: why? Forgive me if I err, but this sounds like one of those You can't be a fancy designer if you

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-06-21 Thread Derek Wueppelmann
On Mon, 2010-06-21 at 20:13 +0200, Branko Vukelic wrote: Well, if you insist. I must ask you this: why? Forgive me if I err, but this sounds like one of those You can't be a fancy designer if you can't do CMYK in your image editing app! arguments. Do you have some valid reason why you cannot

Re: [Gimp-user] Help recovering a bad .xcf file

2010-06-21 Thread Sven Neumann
On Sun, 2010-06-20 at 22:17 +0200, Branko Vukelic wrote: As for myself, I've got 2G RAM, and 1G swap space (big mistake, I know) on a 64-bit linux. I sometimes run out оf memory/swap on a image that is like a little smaller than 3000x3000 when I have more than 20 layers and couple of hours of

Re: [Gimp-user] Help recovering a bad .xcf file

2010-06-21 Thread Sven Neumann
On Sun, 2010-06-20 at 22:12 +0200, Branko Vukelic wrote: On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Sven Neumann s...@gimp.org wrote: It is actually a very difficult fix. There are hundreds of save plug-ins and all would have to be fixed. Also GIMP plug-ins may save using a helper plug-in that

Re: [Gimp-user] Help recovering a bad .xcf file

2010-06-21 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Sven Neumann s...@gimp.org wrote: On Sun, 2010-06-20 at 22:17 +0200, Branko Vukelic wrote: As for myself, I've got 2G RAM, and 1G swap space (big mistake, I know) on a 64-bit linux. I sometimes run out оf memory/swap on a image that is like a little smaller

Re: [Gimp-user] How is 16 bit GIMP doing?

2010-06-21 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 6/21/10, Branko Vukelic wrote: Meanwhile, give separate+ a go. Or CMYKTool Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user

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Re: [Gimp-user] Help recovering a bad .xcf file

2010-06-21 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Sven Neumann s...@gimp.org wrote: For now we can probably fix it easily for XCF files and with some more effort some of the most often used file plug-ins. Well, as someone else has already pointed out, fixing this for XCF-only is a good option. -- Branko

Re: [Gimp-user] How is 16 bit GIMP doing?

2010-06-21 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/21/10, Branko Vukelic wrote: Meanwhile, give separate+ a go. Or CMYKTool Prokudine, Veering a bit OT now, I've tried to use CMYKTool, and got an impression it was a bit redundant for separate+

Re: [Gimp-user] Biggest Frustration

2010-06-21 Thread yahvuu
Hey Alexandre, hopefully this doesn't compromise your health, but an object picker has already been proposed (which is my fault) [1], and for good reason: If you take non-destructive editing serious, you inevitably end up with a finer granularity of adjustability than with the current scheme --

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-06-21 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/21/10, Branko Vukelic wrote: Do you have some valid reason why you cannot do a decent job with separate+ and need direct editing capabilities in CMYK mode? In some cases you need direct access

Re: [Gimp-user] How is 16 bit GIMP doing?

2010-06-21 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 6/22/10, Branko Vukelic wrote: Meanwhile, give separate+ a go. Or CMYKTool Prokudine, Vukelic? :) Veering a bit OT now, I've tried to use CMYKTool, and got an impression it was a bit redundant for separate+ users. Does it have anything to add (or do anything differently)? Well, if

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-06-21 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 6/22/10, Branko Vukelic wrote: In some cases you need direct access to curves. Besides, separate+ has neither GCR nor UCR. Um, good point. I keep forgetting that I mostly do content creation, rather than old-school image processing. Are there any tools that provide those features? Krita

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-06-21 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 10:21 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/22/10, Branko Vukelic wrote: In some cases you need direct access to curves. Besides, separate+ has neither GCR nor UCR. Um, good point. I keep forgetting that I mostly do content creation,

Re: [Gimp-user] Biggest Frustration

2010-06-21 Thread R Kimber
On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:03:54 +0200 yahvuu wrote: Nobody is allowed to die until GIMP is finished! and it natively uses all those free 8bf plugins! - Richard -- Richard Kimber Political Science Resources http://www.PoliticsResources.net/ ___

Re: [Gimp-user] Biggest Frustration

2010-06-21 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 10:03 PM, yahvuu yah...@gmail.com wrote: Nobody is allowed to die until GIMP is finished! Unless it's of old age! :D (No offence, developers.) -- Branko Vukelić bg.bra...@gmail.com stu...@brankovukelic.com Check out my blog: http://www.brankovukelic.com/ Check out my

Re: [Gimp-user] How is 16 bit GIMP doing?

2010-06-21 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/22/10, Branko Vukelic wrote: Meanwhile, give separate+ a go. Or CMYKTool Prokudine, Vukelic? :) Sure. I don't see how either of them make the other one redundant. Wise people use both,

Re: [Gimp-user] Biggest Frustration

2010-06-21 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 6/22/10, R Kimber wrote: Nobody is allowed to die until GIMP is finished! and it natively uses all those free 8bf plugins! Speaking of which, if we manage to finally get Adobe to publish PSD spec (they promised to do it soon), maybe we can get them to publish plug-ins spec. Not that it

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-06-21 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 6/22/10, Branko Vukelic wrote: Krita provides access to CMYK curves, but that's about it. And the only free libre tool that knows of UCR is Scribus. No free tool I know of handles GCR except Argyll. And I assume Argyll will do all of above? Argyl is a color management module with a bunch

Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: GIMP vs Photoshop

2010-06-21 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/22/10, Branko Vukelic wrote: Krita provides access to CMYK curves, but that's about it. And the only free libre tool that knows of UCR is Scribus. No free tool I know of handles GCR except

Re: [Gimp-user] Biggest Frustration

2010-06-21 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 6/22/10, yahvuu wrote: Hey Alexandre, hopefully this doesn't compromise your health, but an object picker has already been proposed (which is my fault) [1], and for good reason: If you take non-destructive editing serious, you inevitably end up with a finer granularity of adjustability

Re: [Gimp-user] Biggest Frustration

2010-06-21 Thread Branko Vukelic
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/22/10, yahvuu wrote: Hey Alexandre, hopefully this doesn't compromise your health, but an object picker has already been proposed (which is my fault) [1], and for good reason: If you take