Re: [Gimp-user] problem saving as png
On 1/23/07, Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 23 January 2007 23:47, Anthony Ettinger wrote: On 1/23/07, Patrick Shanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * A [EMAIL PROTECTED] [01-23-07 20:31]: [...] and thus it most likely IS a FF or Linux issue. i.e. the people not seeing it correctly must have either: a) a setting issue in FF or Linux (display) or: b) using a version of FF or Linux (display driver) with that issue more likely, they have configured FF or their X display incorrectly, probably FF. I'm suspecting my X server or questionable nVidia driver or my new monitor is responsible...anyway, it seems not a gimp issue, but I figured I'd ask anyway. Just to make sure I'm saving the image correctly, this is my process: 1 layer: with text 1 background (alpha channel removed): color: #99cc00; hhmm?? if you want the text, without the surrounding background to show up over the green bg of the page, why not just save it witha trasnaprent background? Just turn off the visibility of the background layer before saving. When I save as .png, I check the save gamma, Actually, checking the save gamma optin is a good candidate for the color difference to show up at all!!! The problem is _all_ about gamma correction. You should e tried with9u tit already. UNcheck save background-color, NP. this doe snothing, but zero out tthe transparent area and check the last item: dither transparency from background. Uncheck this - you don't want dithered transparency, you wnat true transparency! This worked everywhere but IE6. If i leave the bg color intact, it dithers inproperly in FF. -- Anthony Ettinger Ph: 408-656-2473 http://chovy.dyndns.org/resume.html http://utuxia.com/consulting ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] problem saving as png
Anthony Ettinger wrote: On 1/22/07, Anthony Ettinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/22/07, Scott Bicknell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 22 January 2007 4:46 am, Anthony Ettinger wrote: I've been through this before, I usually just change the bg of the image to the one i'm using, but with #99cc00; as my body bg, I cannot for the life of me, save that same color. I'm trying to figure out what you are talking about. I created an image and filled it with the color you specified, then saved it as a png. No problem. I opened it in Gimp to see if there is some problem with that color in png's and Gimp. Again, no problem. Can you describe exactly what you are doing and point to an example? Create an html page with background-color of #9c0; then do the same with the image in GIMP, and save as PNG. I'm seeing color variation. I made a test case: http://chovy.dyndns.org/gimp/test/green.html I see no problem at all on XP with FF2, Opera 9 or IE7, they all look fine on your page (i.e. same colour for image and backgoround). However, I remember I had a similar problem many years ago with a Macintosh. I think it was related to Gamma correction. Apples had (and probably still have) a different gamma setting, and this was creating a difference then (probably because my PNG did not contain the Gamma information then). Check that your PNG contains the Gamma information, and that your browsers can use it. Best regards, Olivier. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] problem saving as png
On 1/23/07, Olivier Ripoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony Ettinger wrote: On 1/22/07, Anthony Ettinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/22/07, Scott Bicknell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 22 January 2007 4:46 am, Anthony Ettinger wrote: I've been through this before, I usually just change the bg of the image to the one i'm using, but with #99cc00; as my body bg, I cannot for the life of me, save that same color. I'm trying to figure out what you are talking about. I created an image and filled it with the color you specified, then saved it as a png. No problem. I opened it in Gimp to see if there is some problem with that color in png's and Gimp. Again, no problem. Can you describe exactly what you are doing and point to an example? Create an html page with background-color of #9c0; then do the same with the image in GIMP, and save as PNG. I'm seeing color variation. I made a test case: http://chovy.dyndns.org/gimp/test/green.html I see no problem at all on XP with FF2, Opera 9 or IE7, they all look fine on your page (i.e. same colour for image and backgoround). However, I remember I had a similar problem many years ago with a Macintosh. I think it was related to Gamma correction. Apples had (and probably still have) a different gamma setting, and this was creating a difference then (probably because my PNG did not contain the Gamma information then). Check that your PNG contains the Gamma information, and that your browsers can use it. Best regards, Olivier. Thanks, but I've done it every which way from hell and back, and still looks off in FF/linux. -- Anthony Ettinger Ph: 408-656-2473 http://chovy.dyndns.org/resume.html http://utuxia.com/consulting ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] problem saving as png
Thanks, but I've done it every which way from hell and back, and still looks off in FF/linux. -- Anthony Ettinger Ph: 408-656-2473 http://chovy.dyndns.org/resume.html http://utuxia.com/consulting Your test case webpage at http://chovy.dyndns.org/gimp/test/green.htmllooks fine to me. I'm using a Mac and Firefox 2.0 here ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] problem saving as png
As he has repeatedly stated, the problem is under FF/Linux. There are many things in which FF/Win FF/Max and FF/Linux are different. It looks like FF/Linux isn't up to date with Gamma correction for some reason Jeff -- Computer Science is as much about computers as astronomy is about telescopes -- Edsger Wybe Dijkstra (1930-2002) pgpPbMeBylJcJ.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] problem saving as png
FF1.5.0.9 running under FC5: no visible difference. Your problem is NOT a FF/Linux issue. Bill Lee Scott Bicknell wrote: On Tuesday 23 January 2007 12:10 pm, Jeffrey Brent McBeth wrote: As he has repeatedly stated, the problem is under FF/Linux. There are many things in which FF/Win FF/Max and FF/Linux are different. It looks like FF/Linux isn't up to date with Gamma correction for some reason Still, it seems to be specific to your setup. Mine, as I said in an earlier post, shows no color differences using FF 2.0 and SUSE 10.1. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] problem saving as png
Thanks, but I've done it every which way from hell and back, and still looks off in FF/linux. Looked AOK to me this morning - the link doesn't seem to be coming up now. I'm running FF 1.5.0.9 on Fedora 6. Chris ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] problem saving as png
* A [EMAIL PROTECTED] [01-23-07 20:31]: [...] and thus it most likely IS a FF or Linux issue. i.e. the people not seeing it correctly must have either: a) a setting issue in FF or Linux (display) or: b) using a version of FF or Linux (display driver) with that issue more likely, they have configured FF or their X display incorrectly, probably FF. -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org@ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] problem saving as png
On Tuesday 23 January 2007 23:47, Anthony Ettinger wrote: On 1/23/07, Patrick Shanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * A [EMAIL PROTECTED] [01-23-07 20:31]: [...] and thus it most likely IS a FF or Linux issue. i.e. the people not seeing it correctly must have either: a) a setting issue in FF or Linux (display) or: b) using a version of FF or Linux (display driver) with that issue more likely, they have configured FF or their X display incorrectly, probably FF. I'm suspecting my X server or questionable nVidia driver or my new monitor is responsible...anyway, it seems not a gimp issue, but I figured I'd ask anyway. Just to make sure I'm saving the image correctly, this is my process: 1 layer: with text 1 background (alpha channel removed): color: #99cc00; hhmm?? if you want the text, without the surrounding background to show up over the green bg of the page, why not just save it witha trasnaprent background? Just turn off the visibility of the background layer before saving. When I save as .png, I check the save gamma, Actually, checking the save gamma optin is a good candidate for the color difference to show up at all!!! The problem is _all_ about gamma correction. You should e tried with9u tit already. UNcheck save background-color, NP. this doe snothing, but zero out tthe transparent area and check the last item: dither transparency from background. Uncheck this - you don't want dithered transparency, you wnat true transparency! Can someone please confirm that these are the correct steps moving forward with transparent PNG? js -- ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] problem saving as png
I've been through this before, I usually just change the bg of the image to the one i'm using, but with #99cc00; as my body bg, I cannot for the life of me, save that same color. -- Anthony Ettinger Ph: 408-656-2473 http://chovy.dyndns.org/resume.html http://utuxia.com/consulting ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] problem saving as png
On Monday 22 January 2007 4:46 am, Anthony Ettinger wrote: I've been through this before, I usually just change the bg of the image to the one i'm using, but with #99cc00; as my body bg, I cannot for the life of me, save that same color. I'm trying to figure out what you are talking about. I created an image and filled it with the color you specified, then saved it as a png. No problem. I opened it in Gimp to see if there is some problem with that color in png's and Gimp. Again, no problem. Can you describe exactly what you are doing and point to an example? -- 73, AC7ZZ http://counter.li.org/ Linux User #246504 ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] problem saving as png
On 1/22/07, Scott Bicknell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 22 January 2007 4:46 am, Anthony Ettinger wrote: I've been through this before, I usually just change the bg of the image to the one i'm using, but with #99cc00; as my body bg, I cannot for the life of me, save that same color. I'm trying to figure out what you are talking about. I created an image and filled it with the color you specified, then saved it as a png. No problem. I opened it in Gimp to see if there is some problem with that color in png's and Gimp. Again, no problem. Can you describe exactly what you are doing and point to an example? Create an html page with background-color of #9c0; then do the same with the image in GIMP, and save as PNG. I'm seeing color variation. -- Anthony Ettinger Ph: 408-656-2473 http://chovy.dyndns.org/resume.html http://utuxia.com/consulting ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] problem saving as png
On 1/22/07, Anthony Ettinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/22/07, Scott Bicknell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 22 January 2007 4:46 am, Anthony Ettinger wrote: I've been through this before, I usually just change the bg of the image to the one i'm using, but with #99cc00; as my body bg, I cannot for the life of me, save that same color. I'm trying to figure out what you are talking about. I created an image and filled it with the color you specified, then saved it as a png. No problem. I opened it in Gimp to see if there is some problem with that color in png's and Gimp. Again, no problem. Can you describe exactly what you are doing and point to an example? Create an html page with background-color of #9c0; then do the same with the image in GIMP, and save as PNG. I'm seeing color variation. I made a test case: http://chovy.dyndns.org/gimp/test/green.html -- Anthony Ettinger Ph: 408-656-2473 http://chovy.dyndns.org/resume.html http://utuxia.com/consulting ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] problem saving as png
On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 11:38:48AM -0800, Anthony Ettinger wrote: Create an html page with background-color of #9c0; then do the same with the image in GIMP, and save as PNG. I'm seeing color variation. I've tried that exact experiment just now, and see no variation. Perhaps you are doing something more that makes it a problem? http://broggs.org/~mcbeth/foo.html -- Computer Science is as much about computers as astronomy is about telescopes -- Edsger Wybe Dijkstra (1930-2002) pgpzxGTzPON17.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] problem saving as png
On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 11:41:30AM -0800, Anthony Ettinger wrote: I made a test case: http://chovy.dyndns.org/gimp/test/green.html Looks like an IE6 bug. Firefox and Opera both show it as the same color. Jeff -- Computer Science is as much about computers as astronomy is about telescopes -- Edsger Wybe Dijkstra (1930-2002) pgpuXMVF9qWJn.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] problem saving as png
On 1/22/07, Jeffrey Brent McBeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 11:41:30AM -0800, Anthony Ettinger wrote: I made a test case: http://chovy.dyndns.org/gimp/test/green.html Looks like an IE6 bug. Firefox and Opera both show it as the same color. Not on linux, FF is doing the same thing. Opera and Konq look ok. -- Anthony Ettinger Ph: 408-656-2473 http://chovy.dyndns.org/resume.html http://utuxia.com/consulting ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] problem saving as png
Anthony Ettinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 1/22/07, Jeffrey Brent McBeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 11:41:30AM -0800, Anthony Ettinger wrote: I made a test case: http://chovy.dyndns.org/gimp/test/green.html Looks like an IE6 bug. Firefox and Opera both show it as the same color. Not on linux, FF is doing the same thing. Opera and Konq look ok. Are you sure this is not some setting in FF sinc you made that image a link? When you open that image in Gimp and compare that with that webpage, does it in Gimp look like background or the foreground of the webpage? Matthias ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] problem saving as png
On 1/22/07, Matthias Julius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony Ettinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 1/22/07, Jeffrey Brent McBeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 22, 2007 at 11:41:30AM -0800, Anthony Ettinger wrote: I made a test case: http://chovy.dyndns.org/gimp/test/green.html Looks like an IE6 bug. Firefox and Opera both show it as the same color. Not on linux, FF is doing the same thing. Opera and Konq look ok. Are you sure this is not some setting in FF sinc you made that image a link? When you open that image in Gimp and compare that with that webpage, does it in Gimp look like background or the foreground of the webpage? Matthias The link doesn't have any effect on it. I added a link so I could show a border around it when hovered. -- Anthony Ettinger Ph: 408-656-2473 http://chovy.dyndns.org/resume.html http://utuxia.com/consulting ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] problem saving as png
On Monday 22 January 2007 11:58 am, Anthony Ettinger wrote: Looks like an IE6 bug. Firefox and Opera both show it as the same color. Not on linux, FF is doing the same thing. Opera and Konq look ok. I'm using FF 2.0 on SUSE 10.1 and see no difference in the color between the image and the background. -- 73, AC7ZZ http://counter.li.org/ Linux User #246504 ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] problem saving as png
On 1/22/07, Matthias Julius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony Ettinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The link doesn't have any effect on it. I added a link so I could show a border around it when hovered. You can have this effect with any HTML element. You don't need a link for that. Matthias That was for IE -- Anthony Ettinger Ph: 408-656-2473 http://chovy.dyndns.org/resume.html http://utuxia.com/consulting ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
