Re: [Gimp-user] A GIMP book

2007-08-24 Thread Michael Hernandez

On Aug 23, 2007, at 2:08 PM, Greg wrote:

 --- Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Very nice, the sample chapters were amazing. This seems to be written
 for Gimp 2.2, but 2.4 will have significant changes. Can you (or the
 author) address that issue?

 Speaking of books, I have Beginning Gimp, which was published in '06
 but says it includes material on the latest 2.4 release

 Wha?



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Actually that book was written based on a development snapshot of  
GIMP. I find it to be a very useful book IMHO. I'm not sure how  
relevant it will continue to be though, based on the fact that the  
author really seems to have jumped the gun in regards to the GIMP 2.4  
release. When you think about it, that book has been out for several  
months now, and was obviously being written for several months prior  
to the release (as is the nature of any book). The snapshot she was  
using could end up being far different from what 2.4 actually turns  
out to be.

I still find it to be a good book with helpful tips though.

--Mike H
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Re: [Gimp-user] A GIMP book

2007-08-24 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:48:01 -0400, Michael Hernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Aug 23, 2007, at 2:08 PM, Greg wrote:
  Speaking of books, I have Beginning Gimp, which was published in '06
  but says it includes material on the latest 2.4 release
 
  Wha?
 
 Actually that book was written based on a development snapshot of  
 GIMP. I find it to be a very useful book IMHO. I'm not sure how  
 relevant it will continue to be though, based on the fact that the  
 author really seems to have jumped the gun in regards to the GIMP 2.4  
 release. [...]

Many users and developers were hoping for GIMP 2.4 to be released
around the end of summer last year.  Alas, that didn't happen
because it took a long time to fix some nasty bugs, then it was
decided to include some new features because the release was not
ready anyway, then more bugs popped in, then it also took a while
to fix them, then even more features were added, even more bugs
were discovered and fixed, and so on...

It is not surprising that the authors of some books were hoping
for 2.4 to be released earlier.  Maybe they were a bit too
optimistic, but I wouldn't blame them for that.

Now that we already have the first release candidate with lots of
nice features (and a few bugs that have already been fixed), we
are finally getting very close to the official release of GIMP 2.4.

-Raphaël
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Re: [Gimp-user] A GIMP book

2007-08-24 Thread Michael Hernandez

On Aug 24, 2007, at 11:22 AM, Raphaël Quinet wrote:

 On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:48:01 -0400, Michael Hernandez  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Aug 23, 2007, at 2:08 PM, Greg wrote:
 Speaking of books, I have Beginning Gimp, which was published in '06
 but says it includes material on the latest 2.4 release

 Wha?

 Actually that book was written based on a development snapshot of
 GIMP. I find it to be a very useful book IMHO. I'm not sure how
 relevant it will continue to be though, based on the fact that the
 author really seems to have jumped the gun in regards to the GIMP 2.4
 release. [...]

 Many users and developers were hoping for GIMP 2.4 to be released
 around the end of summer last year.  Alas, that didn't happen
 because it took a long time to fix some nasty bugs, then it was
 decided to include some new features because the release was not
 ready anyway, then more bugs popped in, then it also took a while
 to fix them, then even more features were added, even more bugs
 were discovered and fixed, and so on...

 It is not surprising that the authors of some books were hoping
 for 2.4 to be released earlier.  Maybe they were a bit too
 optimistic, but I wouldn't blame them for that.

 Now that we already have the first release candidate with lots of
 nice features (and a few bugs that have already been fixed), we
 are finally getting very close to the official release of GIMP 2.4.


That is great news! Now I just hope it hasn't changed so much that my  
nice full color gloss beginning GIMP book is full of lies! :)

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Re: [Gimp-user] A GIMP book

2007-08-24 Thread Kevin Cozens
Michael Hernandez wrote:
 That is great news! Now I just hope it hasn't changed so much that my  
 nice full color gloss beginning GIMP book is full of lies! :)

Its more likely a plot by the publishing house to sell more books when you 
release the second edition which covers the real GIMP 2.4 release. ;-)

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Re: [Gimp-user] A GIMP book - What GIMP version does it cover?

2007-08-23 Thread DJ
Hi Dotan,

 Hi Gimp-user,

 A friend sent me a link to a new GIMP book, The Artist's Guide to
 GIMP Effects to be published this month.  There was a reference to it
 in the Javascript book he was reading from the same publisher.  The
 sample tutorial looked good.

 http://nostarch.com/frameset.php?startat=gimp

 Just thought I'd pass it on.


DC Very nice, the sample chapters were amazing. This seems to be written
DC for Gimp 2.2, but 2.4 will have significant changes. Can you (or the
DC author) address that issue?

That's a good question. I don't have the specific answer. The
searching I did on the web site and amazon, didn't seem to come right
out and say it. The Table of Contents starts out with, Looking Ahead
to GIMP 2.4. It is being published this year. Hhhmmm... Perhaps we
can get a response from the list.

Thank you.

PS: I think your message only came to me and not the list, so in my
reply I made sure the To: address was
Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU.

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Re: [Gimp-user] A GIMP book

2007-08-23 Thread Michael J. Hammel
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 05:12:39 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
 Very nice, the sample chapters were amazing. This seems to be written
 for Gimp 2.2, but 2.4 will have significant changes. Can you (or the
 author) address that issue?

The first part of the introduction in the book covers this.  It took 2
1/3 years to get the book published, so starting with 2.2 seemed
reasonable at the time.  Also, it will be some time before all the major
distributions get updated to the requirements for 2.4 and have those
distributions propogated to the general public.  So even though 2.4 is
due soon, 2.2 isn't disappearing soon from a great many users desktops.

In the end, though, the changes for 2.4 don't greatly affect the
tutorials.  Mostly what changes is the location of menu options, which I
believe I've addressed in the book but will update on the web site as I
become aware of the errata.  New features in 2.4 are not used in the
tutorials (it's a 2.2 based text, after all) and none of the old
features used in the tutorials went away.  Mostly those features just
changed slightly in appearance or work better under the hood in 2.4.

If you're interested in dicussing the book or issues related to the
GIMP, I set up a web site for the book:
http://www.graphics-muse.org/artistsguide/

The book should just about be ready for shipping from retailers.  I was
just notified that my author copies will be sent soon.
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Re: [Gimp-user] A GIMP book

2007-08-23 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 23/08/07, Michael J. Hammel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If you're interested in dicussing the book or issues related to the
 GIMP, I set up a web site for the book:
 http://www.graphics-muse.org/artistsguide/

That site looks like an unofficial blog- it does not due justice to
the sample chapters that I saw. It makes me think that the book is as
cheap as the website. Change it, quick!

Dotan Cohen

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Re: [Gimp-user] A GIMP book

2007-08-23 Thread Greg
--- Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Very nice, the sample chapters were amazing. This seems to be written
 for Gimp 2.2, but 2.4 will have significant changes. Can you (or the
 author) address that issue?

Speaking of books, I have Beginning Gimp, which was published in '06
but says it includes material on the latest 2.4 release

Wha?


   

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Re: [Gimp-user] A GIMP book

2007-08-22 Thread Anthony Ettinger
Been waiting for this one, thanks!

On 8/22/07, DJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Gimp-user,

 A friend sent me a link to a new GIMP book, The Artist's Guide to
 GIMP Effects to be published this month.  There was a reference to it
 in the Javascript book he was reading from the same publisher.  The
 sample tutorial looked good.

 http://nostarch.com/frameset.php?startat=gimp

 Just thought I'd pass it on.

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Re: [Gimp-user] A GIMP book

2007-08-22 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 22/08/07, DJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Gimp-user,

 A friend sent me a link to a new GIMP book, The Artist's Guide to
 GIMP Effects to be published this month.  There was a reference to it
 in the Javascript book he was reading from the same publisher.  The
 sample tutorial looked good.

 http://nostarch.com/frameset.php?startat=gimp

 Just thought I'd pass it on.


Very nice, the sample chapters were amazing. This seems to be written
for Gimp 2.2, but 2.4 will have significant changes. Can you (or the
author) address that issue?

Dotan Cohen

http://lyricslist.com/
http://what-is-what.com/
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Re: [Gimp-user] new Gimp book, about time

2006-02-15 Thread John R. Culleton
On Wednesday 15 February 2006 12:11, Colin Brace wrote:
 In the process of learning Gimp (ongoing project), I've wondered about
 the absence of books dedicated to it, at least since 2001 or
 thereabouts. I am therefore intrigued to (finally) see a new title,
 now preannounced on Amazon.com:

 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1590595874/104-2820490-0282337

 Humorous aside As a suggested purchase, Amazon pairs it with
 O'Reilly's Pocket Reference (2000), documenting Gimp 1.2 /

 Yes, I realize the author actively participates in this ML.

 Though I realize there are many useful tutorials around, a
 well-written, well-edited manual and reference work will be very
 useful, and I look forward to seeing this work when it appears in
 April.

 --
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   Amsterdam
Gimp is a moving target. An author of a 500 page book has to pick
a version or versions and write around those. On this list
many/most are not so much concerned with installation problems
but keeping up with the changes in the user interface and also
new features such as possible embryonic CMYK capabilities. So I
would be interested in a book built around some recent version,
if not 2.4 then at least 2.3xx. If someone comes up with a book
that is smaller, cheaper and more up to date I will buy it. 
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Re: [Gimp-user] new Gimp book, about time

2006-02-15 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Colin Brace [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Though I realize there are many useful tutorials around

I hope you are also aware of the GIMP user manual which is hosted at
http://docs.gimp.org/.


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Re: [Gimp-user] new Gimp book, about time

2006-02-15 Thread John R. Culleton
On Wednesday 15 February 2006 12:32, Sven Neumann wrote:
 Hi,

 Colin Brace [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Though I realize there are many useful tutorials around

 I hope you are also aware of the GIMP user manual which is hosted at
 http://docs.gimp.org/.


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It is available in pdf form which is a big help. I am probably
going to print out the main portion. 

Three questions:

1.There is no index in the pdf copy. Is one available elsehere?

2. The current edition is dated December and is current as of
2.2.x apparently. That is excellent. Now, is there any indication
of when a 2.4 based version would be available? In other words if
2.4 came out in, say, March 2006 in what month would an updated
manual be expected?

3. I still have in a ring binder the 900 plus page manual written
by Karin and Olof Kylander. Is the current manual related to that
manual or are they separate publications?


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Re: [Gimp-user] new Gimp book, about time

2006-02-15 Thread Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris
On Wednesday 15 February 2006 04:28 pm, John R. Culleton wrote:


 It is available in pdf form which is a big help. I am probably
 going to print out the main portion.

 Three questions:

 1.There is no index in the pdf copy. Is one available elsehere?
I don't know. The PDF build proccess should generate one. Ifit does 
nto this must be reported as a bug oto the documentation document

 2. The current edition is dated December and is current as of
 2.2.x apparently. That is excellent. Now, is there any indication
 of when a 2.4 based version would be available? In other words if
 2.4 came out in, say, March 2006 in what month would an updated
 manual be expected?

Bad news here.
Currently, all docwriters/translators are working based on the stable 
version (i.e. 2.2.x) only.
That means that work will only begin for 2.4 when it is out, which 
implies in a gap of a couple months at least for a version covering 
most new features.


 3. I still have in a ring binder the 900 plus page manual written
 by Karin and Olof Kylander. Is the current manual related to that
 manual or are they separate publications?

AFAIK they are separate publications. 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Publishing Gimp book

2005-09-06 Thread Axel Wernicke

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Re: [Gimp-user] Publishing Gimp book

2005-09-06 Thread michael chang
On 9/6/05, Axel Wernicke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sorry for asking a probably stupid question, but what means self-
 publishing? Writing and contributing to/with a license that allowes
 everybody to download a book and to sell the printed version parallel?

I think it's *supposed* to mean handling e.g. printing and sales of
the book and whatnot by oneself, although I don't know the details. 
That said, e-books are always quite nice.  Have you ever heard of
Creative Commons (creativecommons.org)? ^^

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Re: [Gimp-user] Publishing Gimp book

2005-09-06 Thread Jonathan Bartlett
 Sorry for asking a probably stupid question, but what means self-
 publishing? Writing and contributing to/with a license that allowes
 everybody to download a book and to sell the printed version parallel?


Self-publishing simply means that the author is the publisher.  This can
be for any kind of book.  I personally self-publish a GFDL book, and can
provide guidance for anyone wanting to do something similar.  Open
licenses means that micro-publishers (which include self-publishers) can
publish books that they have not paid to write.  Technically, anyone could
download my book and publish it on their own.  In fact, I believe that is
actually happening for translations.  Most people do not because it would
be a waste of time to simply re-publish under another title what someone
else is already the de facto seller of.  If anyone is interested in my
book, see:

http://www.cafeshops.com/bartlettpublish.8640017

If anyone would like assistance self-publishing, you can email me at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Jon
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