Re: [Gimp-user] ESC for cancel in full-screen mode

2003-12-10 Thread Jakub Steiner
On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 03:24, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 04:12:10PM -0600, Eric Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  However, would you consider removing ESC as a binding to pop you out of
  full-screen mode?  I think F11 is a sufficient (and common) toggle for
 
 Well, ESC has a very low probability of being remapped by e.g. a window
 manager. F11 is far more often mapped to some wm functionality.
 
 And the basic problem with your approach that I see is that ESC has the
 perfect meaning for going out of fullscreen mode. It's the thing users
 naturally try. F11 is about the last key users will try when they want
 to get out of full-screen mode.

Dejavu perhaps, but can't help myself. F11 became a common toggle for
fullscreen mode across browsers. But I know Marc doesn't quite accept an
'everyone else does it' ;).

Sven might be arguing the fullscreen mode is there for previewing, I
like to edit large images in this mode and I believe that's what Eric
enjoyed on the mode too. Esc to exit the fullscreen _preview_ mode makes
a perfect sense.

In case the fullscreen mode is to become useful for editing too (and I
believe that is even more helpful) it shouldn't exit the mode on Esc for
the reasons Eric described. Making it a pain for artists using GIMP
extensively because it may be confusing to new ocasional users is not
the thing to do. 

cheers 

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Re: [Gimp-user] ESC for cancel in full-screen mode

2003-12-10 Thread Eric Pierce
 On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 03:24, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 04:12:10PM -0600, Eric Pierce
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  However, would you consider removing ESC as a binding to pop you out
 of
  full-screen mode?  I think F11 is a sufficient (and common) toggle for

 Well, ESC has a very low probability of being remapped by e.g. a window
 manager. F11 is far more often mapped to some wm functionality.

 And the basic problem with your approach that I see is that ESC has the
 perfect meaning for going out of fullscreen mode. It's the thing users
 naturally try. F11 is about the last key users will try when they want
 to get out of full-screen mode.

 Dejavu perhaps, but can't help myself. F11 became a common toggle for
 fullscreen mode across browsers. But I know Marc doesn't quite accept an
 'everyone else does it' ;).
Yes, Mozilla/Netscape, Opera  IE toggle w/F11.  Any others?

 In case the fullscreen mode is to become useful for editing too (and I
 believe that is even more helpful) it shouldn't exit the mode on Esc for
 the reasons Eric described. Making it a pain for artists using GIMP
 extensively because it may be confusing to new ocasional users is not
 the thing to do.
How about this then?  If there is a menu/dialog box already open, ESC
cancels that item only.  If nothing else is open, ESC quits full-screen
mode.  Both camps are happy, right?

Eric Pierce


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Re: [Gimp-user] ESC for cancel in full-screen mode

2003-12-09 Thread Eric Pierce
With Gimp 1.3.x, open up an image and hit F11.  It'll toggle  full-screen
mode.

You can also add as many extra goodies (like rulers, status bar, etc.) as
you want, or run it w/o anything except the image.  Really nice and
configurable (check preferences for default full-screen mode settings).

Eric

 Eric Pierce wrote:
 I use full-screen mode a lot... and love it.

 Excuse the ignorance, although 'full-screen mode' conjures up some
 thoughts, what exactly is it?

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Re: [Gimp-user] ESC for cancel in full-screen mode

2003-12-09 Thread Geoffrey
Eric Pierce wrote:
With Gimp 1.3.x, open up an image and hit F11.  It'll toggle  full-screen
mode.
You can also add as many extra goodies (like rulers, status bar, etc.) as
you want, or run it w/o anything except the image.  Really nice and
configurable (check preferences for default full-screen mode settings).
Sweet, although I'll need to upgrade still at 1.2.5...

Thanks for the info.

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Re: [Gimp-user] ESC for cancel in full-screen mode

2003-12-09 Thread pcg
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 04:12:10PM -0600, Eric Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 However, would you consider removing ESC as a binding to pop you out of
 full-screen mode?  I think F11 is a sufficient (and common) toggle for

Well, ESC has a very low probability of being remapped by e.g. a window
manager. F11 is far more often mapped to some wm functionality.

And the basic problem with your approach that I see is that ESC has the
perfect meaning for going out of fullscreen mode. It's the thing users
naturally try. F11 is about the last key users will try when they want
to get out of full-screen mode.

This is important for fullscreen mode because fullscreen mode is often
very surprising to users, and they might want to get out.

 What does anyone else think?

At least I think it's not perfect that esc cancels both, but esc canceling
both is far preferable over using F11 for leaving fullscreen mode. Many
users at our instituta have mapped F11 to open a new shell window for
example (using the window manager) or move windows, so fullscreen mode
would turn out to be an unpleasant trap.

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