Re: [Gimp-user] Questing re. keyboard shortcuts

2008-01-04 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

On Fri, 2008-01-04 at 03:36 +, Jeffery Small wrote:

 Thanks for the tip!  That's just what I was looking for.  The only
 remaining problem I see is that the Alt-S shortcut is still being grabbed
 by the Keyboard Shortcuts menu itself to toggle the Save keyboard
 shortcuts on exit toggle.  Should shortcuts like these be included under
 the menu-mnemonics property in the future, or is there possibly another
 property that would address these other shortcuts that are not strictly
 menu accelerators?

I don't think we will support the option to disable mnemonics much
longer. Mnemonics are standard user interface elements on a modern
desktop and it doesn't make sense to add extra code to disable them.


Sven


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Re: [Gimp-user] Questing re. keyboard shortcuts

2008-01-04 Thread Joao S. O. Bueno
On Friday 04 January 2008 05:43, Sven Neumann wrote:
 Hi,

 On Fri, 2008-01-04 at 03:36 +, Jeffery Small wrote:
  Thanks for the tip!  That's just what I was looking for.  The
  only remaining problem I see is that the Alt-S shortcut is still
  being grabbed by the Keyboard Shortcuts menu itself to toggle the
  Save keyboard shortcuts on exit toggle.  Should shortcuts like
  these be included under the menu-mnemonics property in the
  future, or is there possibly another property that would address
  these other shortcuts that are not strictly menu accelerators?

 I don't think we will support the option to disable mnemonics much
 longer. Mnemonics are standard user interface elements on a modern
 desktop and it doesn't make sense to add extra code to disable
 them.

But the code is already in place, and works fine. Some people do use 
it, as they do conflict with shortcut assignement, whcih makes for a 
faster work flow than mnemonics. I see nor eason to remove this 
feature  - even if it is a feature that sounds strange and not needed 
for most people, from the codebase.

js
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Re: [Gimp-user] Questing re. keyboard shortcuts

2008-01-04 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

On Fri, 2008-01-04 at 08:09 -0300, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote:

 But the code is already in place, and works fine. Some people do use 
 it, as they do conflict with shortcut assignement, whcih makes for a 
 faster work flow than mnemonics. I see nor eason to remove this 
 feature  - even if it is a feature that sounds strange and not needed 
 for most people, from the codebase.

It is not going to be removed as long as it doesn't conflict with other
code changes. But we are certainly not going to enhance support for this
(as requested in the mail I replied to). In particular not since such
support would have to be added at the GTK+ level, not in GIMP.


Sven


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Re: [Gimp-user] Questing re. keyboard shortcuts

2008-01-04 Thread Jeffery Small
Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I don't think we will support the option to disable mnemonics much
longer. Mnemonics are standard user interface elements on a modern
desktop and it doesn't make sense to add extra code to disable them.


Sven:

I hope you will reconsider that.  Having this simple (menu-mnemonics
yes/no) option makes gimp much more useful for people like me that don't
generally like to use the menus.  Now that I know that it is there, I
would consider it a real loss in functionality if it were removed.  For me,
you would just be eliminating a bunch of useful shortcut assignments and
locking them on functions that would never be used.

Regards,
-- 
C. Jeffery Small

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Re: [Gimp-user] Questing re. keyboard shortcuts

2008-01-03 Thread John Coppens
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 12:37:19 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeffery Small) wrote:

 I tried to assign Alt+D or Alt+L to the Lens Distortion filter and in
 both cases the short cut assignment failed. 

Hi Jeff.

Maybe, because Alt_L is the call to the Layer menu in the drawing window?
I found that none of the underlined letters in the menu bar can be
assigned (Alt_F, Alt_E, etc, but they would be different for each
language).

John
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Re: [Gimp-user] Questing re. keyboard shortcuts

2008-01-03 Thread Jeffery Small

I wrote:

 I tried to assign Alt+D or Alt+L to the Lens Distortion filter and in
 both cases the short cut assignment failed. 

John Coppens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Maybe, because Alt_L is the call to the Layer menu in the drawing window?
I found that none of the underlined letters in the menu bar can be
assigned (Alt_F, Alt_E, etc, but they would be different for each
language).

John:

Yes, you are correct.  I'm surprised that gimp doesn't display these
assignments somewhere in the Keyboard Shortcuts dialog.  I have a custom
spreadsheet that records all the assigned shortcuts and I had scanned
through this dialog and recorded all default assignments.  However, I have
never used a shortcut to display a pulldown menu (pretty much a Windows
type of action) so it never even crossed my mind to check this.

I would like to suggest that the gimp developers consider displaying
these menu shortcuts in the Keyboard Shortcuts dislog and making them
reassignable for those of use who don't otherwise use them.

John, thanks for the tip pointing me to the answer.

Regards,
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Jeffery Small

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Re: [Gimp-user] Questing re. keyboard shortcuts

2008-01-03 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

On Thu, 2008-01-03 at 14:56 +, Jeffery Small wrote:

 I would like to suggest that the gimp developers consider displaying
 these menu shortcuts in the Keyboard Shortcuts dislog and making them
 reassignable for those of use who don't otherwise use them.

You can already turn mnemonics off if you don't like them. From the
gimprc manual page:

 (menu-mnemonics yes)

  When  enabled, GIMP will show mnemonics in menus.  Possible val‐
  ues are yes and no.


Sven


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Re: [Gimp-user] Questing re. keyboard shortcuts

2008-01-03 Thread Jeffery Small
Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

You can already turn mnemonics off if you don't like them. From the
gimprc manual page:

 (menu-mnemonics yes)

  When  enabled, GIMP will show mnemonics in menus.  Possible values
  are yes and no.


Sven:

Thanks for the tip!  That's just what I was looking for.  The only
remaining problem I see is that the Alt-S shortcut is still being grabbed
by the Keyboard Shortcuts menu itself to toggle the Save keyboard
shortcuts on exit toggle.  Should shortcuts like these be included under
the menu-mnemonics property in the future, or is there possibly another
property that would address these other shortcuts that are not strictly
menu accelerators?

Regards,
-- 
C. Jeffery Small

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