Re: [Gimp-user] So it's a layer border - not a crop frame
Hi Carol, Carol Spears wrote: does anyone know if photoshop has a tooltip explaining the reason they need the same size layer everywhere? Actually, photoshop just keeps layers the size they need to be to hold their contents. If you draw over the edge of a layer, it will grow to accommodate what you draw. I'm not sure, however, if it shrinks the layer when you erase things. There is even a bug open against the GIMP for this functionality, which would be quite nice. It would certainly lower the learning curve for beginners. Why is nothing happenning when I draw? must be one of the most common questions from a beginner who just happened to create a new layer. one thing that i do not understand is the need for floating layers. i dont think that this term is being used properly here. is there any reason that there needs to be the extra step to make pasting directly to an existing layer easier? I don't think so. I believe there is (or was) a bug about that too. IMHO, when you paste, you should paste above the active layer, into a new layer, and be done with it. People can then move the layer merge down if they really want to, but as you say, once people discover layers they rarely anchor to the original layer directly. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CV: http://dneary.free.fr/CV/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] So it's a layer border - not a crop frame
one thing that i do not understand is the need for floating layers. i dont think that this term is being used properly here. is there any reason that there needs to be the extra step to make pasting directly to an existing layer easier? I don't think so. I believe there is (or was) a bug about that too. IMHO, when you paste, you should paste above the active layer, into a new layer, and be done with it. People can then move the layer merge down if they really want to, but as you say, once people discover layers they rarely anchor to the original layer directly. Hi, I'm new here and probably won't post often, but I think I have an answer to the origin of the floating layers. I was recently looking though the GIMP 1.3 manual. And if I remember correctly, it said something like this. There was a time in GIMP or some software that inspired GIMP where there were not layers. Thus for pasting, floating layers were born to crop and move, I believe, the pasted portion to the appropriate dimensions before anchoring. Hope this was what you were looking for! -John ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] So it's a layer border - not a crop frame
On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 09:06:15PM -0500, John Dorfman wrote: I'm new here and probably won't post often, but I think I have an answer to the origin of the floating layers. I was recently looking though the GIMP 1.3 manual. And if I remember correctly, it said something like this. There was a time in GIMP or some software that inspired GIMP where there were not layers. Thus for pasting, floating layers were born to crop and move, I believe, the pasted portion to the appropriate dimensions before anchoring. Hope this was what you were looking for! this is exactly what we needed. it is a historical thing, not a useful one -- this floating layer business. i am going to forward this to the developer list with the suggestion that we drop the whole thing. thanks for the research. carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] So it's a layer border - not a crop frame
On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 09:31:23AM -0600, Justin Gombos wrote: * Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-08-07 06:59]: Yellow and black crop frame? That's the border of the active layer, not at all related to crop. Thanks for clearing that up - and thanks to those who privately replied. I guess I discovered the layer border at the same time I was playing with crop. And to add to the confusion, floating layers were trimming my image at the border, as if to be cropping. So I've spent a maddening few hours trying to use crop to manipulate what was really a layer border. For the record, the solution is to do a layer to imagesize. and what does this get you? you only need to do this if you need the extra space on the layer. i suggest that you want to use Photoshop; a not as complex graphics app that has been built for people who cannot understand (or hope to learn to understand) different sizes of layers. does anyone know if photoshop has a tooltip explaining the reason they need the same size layer everywhere? As a suggestion to any developers who may be following this thread, it would be really nice if there were a mouse-over that tells the user that the yellow/black line is a layer border. I then guess that would annoy the users who already know what it is. Maybe a novice mode w/ mouse-overs? I know a photoshop user who is an open-source gnu fanatic, and really wants to switch to gimp, but insists that gimp is too difficult to use, and has some missing functionality. There's a good chance that the missing functionality is really a case of him not finding it. nothing that a little experience would fix. the gimp is not photoshop so it is a mistake to approach using it as if it is. one thing that i do not understand is the need for floating layers. i dont think that this term is being used properly here. is there any reason that there needs to be the extra step to make pasting directly to an existing layer easier? it is so rare that i paste anything to an existing layer. it makes more sense to me to make the extra step for those rare occasions that you do paste right to an existing layer. thanks, carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] So it's a layer border - not a crop frame
Hi, Justin Gombos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As a suggestion to any developers who may be following this thread, it would be really nice if there were a mouse-over that tells the user that the yellow/black line is a layer border. I then guess that would annoy the users who already know what it is. Tooltips on the image window would indeed be very very annoying. Maybe a novice mode w/ mouse-overs? I don't think so. But it would be nice if the help files explained this detail better. Perhaps you want to add a comment about this to http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/GimpDocs or perhaps even contribute a section to the docs? Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] So it's a layer border - not a crop frame
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004, Sven Neumann wrote: Date: 07 Aug 2004 18:05:37 +0200 From: Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Justin Gombos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] So it's a layer border - not a crop frame Hi, Justin Gombos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As a suggestion to any developers who may be following this thread, it would be really nice if there were a mouse-over that tells the user that the yellow/black line is a layer border. I then guess that would annoy the users who already know what it is. Tooltips on the image window would indeed be very very annoying. The status bar could probably be used more often to provide more information in general. For targets as small as the layer boundary neither tooltips nor status bar messages are a great solution though. - Alan ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
