Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-07 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Manish Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And it is, when it boils down to it, a cop out fluff answer. Which is Carol's point, that it was a non-answer, and that she expected a better answer, more from a technical perspective. Sure. We all understood this already. It doesn't change the

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-07 Thread Aewyn
Hi, I'm not interested in gnome any way, I'm not interested in arguing anyone about file selectors at appropriate gtk lists. I think this is not gnome's businnes, it is gimp's businnes. If gnome's fileselector is bad, gimp should not. If gnome will be a toy of idiots, gimp should not. And I

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-07 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Aewyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not interested in gnome any way, I'm not interested in arguing anyone about file selectors at appropriate gtk lists. I think this is not gnome's businnes, it is gimp's businnes. If gnome's fileselector is bad, gimp should not. If gnome will be a

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-07 Thread Aewyn
Thanks, Really, I'm an outsider in gtk/gnome topic. I just like gimp, and I'm afraid a little bit of gimp starts to leave bazaar concept as seen at gnome. I realized that old fileselector is not too perfect, so I used filemanager's drag and drop to open files. (what is nonsense to open a new

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-07 Thread Geoffrey
Manish Singh wrote: On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 09:55:59PM +0200, David Neary wrote: Getting something to the stage where my grandmother would use it is a proverbial way of describing making technology accessible to a larger public. I am sure this was the sense in which Luis was talking when he said

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-07 Thread Geoffrey
Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, Manish Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And it is, when it boils down to it, a cop out fluff answer. Which is Carol's point, that it was a non-answer, and that she expected a better answer, more from a technical perspective. Sure. We all understood this already. It doesn't

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-07 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I must respectfully disagree, as a GIMP user, I am most definitely interested in the reason for the change. It may be that I am a developer as well, that prompts me to want to know, but the bottom line is, any time a change is made that seems to be

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-07 Thread Alexander Rabtchevich
Sven, is it possible (in theory) to have several dialog types in GIMP at the same time? OpenOffice under Windows allow using native system openfile dialog or its own style dialog. A user can chhose it in the preferences. If anybody is interested, this could solve this problem at all. One way

Deserving answers (was: Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors)

2004-09-07 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Quoting Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This is the essence of the whole issue. The bottom line is, Carol, or anyone else for that matter, deserved a real answer. This is a misconception. People do not *deserve* answers to whatever question they choose to ask. There are good ways and bad

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-07 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Alexander Rabtchevich [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sven, is it possible (in theory) to have several dialog types in GIMP at the same time? OpenOffice under Windows allow using native system openfile dialog or its own style dialog. A user can chhose it in the preferences. Almost everything

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-07 Thread Geoffrey
Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I must respectfully disagree, as a GIMP user, I am most definitely interested in the reason for the change. It may be that I am a developer as well, that prompts me to want to know, but the bottom line is, any time a change is made that

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-06 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would counter that Luis' answer was neither casual nor illustrative. A question was asked and either a insulting inaccurate answer was provide, or worse, a poor change in the toolkit was made for entirely the wrong reason. I don't understand what

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-06 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Khiraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have few ideas to improve the poor 2.1 fileselector. (yes, its me who came up already with one alternative) Which is the apropriate forum where can I write this ideas? Bugzilla has many good ideas about how to improve the file chooser. Did you even

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-06 Thread Carol Spears
On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 10:39:12AM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: This discussion doesn't belong here. I told people what to do if you want to see the dialog improved. End of discussion! what i cut from this is developer issues. what has not been discussed is the stupid answer that i got. i

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-06 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Quoting Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I would agree to some extent, although as a long time user of GIMP, I think this list deserves to know the reason for the change. I've not seen it pass the list as of yet. Seth Nickell was the owner of the file chooser design. Seth now works at

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-06 Thread Sven Neumann
Carol, if you want to discuss this any further, move it to a different channel. It doesn't belong to any of the GIMP mailing-lists. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-06 Thread Alan Horkan
On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Khiraly wrote: Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 02:47:43 +0200 From: Khiraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors Hi! I have few ideas to improve the poor 2.1 fileselector. (yes, its me who came up already with one alternative

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-06 Thread Carol Spears
simon budig, here is the information for you: On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 12:00:27PM -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote: Hello, For an introduction to this discussion, please see: http://primates.ximian.com/~miguel/tmp/carol the archives of email I have received from this annoying

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-06 Thread Simon Budig
May this be my last mail about this on the mailinglist. Carol Spears ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: simon budig, here is the information for you: On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 12:00:27PM -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote: Hello, For an introduction to this discussion, please see:

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-06 Thread Miguel de Icaza
when i look for luis (you provided email lately, i looked right after i barely managed to correct my homeless situation right after guadec) i was told he was not available. in the real world, you go to the boss. this is you? you are the boss at Ximian? or who is responsible for I am not

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-06 Thread Carol Spears
On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 02:04:07PM -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote: So you are barking at the wrong tree. dogs bark. working dogs bark maybe. i am not a dog. i am an energetic volunteer who did not get to drink from kegs of lambic. please respect the human beings who have been volunteering.

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-06 Thread Miguel de Icaza
please respect the human beings who have been volunteering. who was/is in charge of luis? I do not know. Do not bother sending me more e-mail, I have added you to my spam assassin. Miguel ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-05 Thread Carol Spears
1) i went to a developers conference. my trip to this conference was funded by a foundation and therefore the donations of people who are interested in gimp and gimp tool kit development. 2) several people on the list of people who are responsible for these changes pointed me to luis.

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-05 Thread Carol Spears
On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 12:52:44PM -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote: Carol, My guess is that Luis was trying to be polite to you, but I already explained to you on the previous mail who was responsible for the changes to the selector, and where ultimately does the responsibility lie. it

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-05 Thread Simon Budig
Hi Carol. Carol Spears ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [...] i really am responsible to a whole bunch of people who contributed time and money to send me to a developer meeting in which i was told by luis, representing ximian, that the changes were made for his mom. for shame. I start to regret

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-05 Thread Manish Singh
On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 07:43:29PM +0200, Simon Budig wrote: And you'd do yourself and your credibility a favor if you'd treat personal emails with respect and not publish them on mailinglists. Actually, they are public emails, but miguel is not subscribed to this list so they are trapped in

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-05 Thread Simon Budig
Carol Spears ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 07:43:29PM +0200, Simon Budig wrote: Hi Carol. Carol Spears ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [...] i really am responsible to a whole bunch of people who contributed time and money to send me to a developer meeting in which

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-05 Thread David Neary
Hi, Simon Budig wrote: Carol Spears ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 07:43:29PM +0200, Simon Budig wrote: I start to regret to have supported your attendance to Guadec. you were the decision maker i take it? I was one of many people who wanted to meet you at Guadec.

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-05 Thread Carol Spears
On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 09:28:55PM +0200, Simon Budig wrote: You have yet to explain what is so bad to design a file selector so that Luis' mother can use it. I think this is a great goal (although the GTK+ developers did overshot a bit, hampering the usability for computer-savvy people).

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-05 Thread Geoffrey
Simon Budig wrote: Hi Carol. Carol Spears ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [...] i really am responsible to a whole bunch of people who contributed time and money to send me to a developer meeting in which i was told by luis, representing ximian, that the changes were made for his mom. for shame. I

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-05 Thread Simon Budig
Geoffrey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Carol Spears wrote: On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 09:28:55PM +0200, Simon Budig wrote: You have yet to explain what is so bad to design a file selector so that Luis' mother can use it. I think this is a great goal (although the GTK+ developers did overshot a

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-05 Thread Khiraly
Hi! I have few ideas to improve the poor 2.1 fileselector. (yes, its me who came up already with one alternative) Which is the apropriate forum where can I write this ideas? Or its decided to not change? Best regards, Khiraly signature.asc Description: Ez az =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=FCzenetr=E9sz?=

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-04 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: now, to the new file selector. there is a huge difference between the file selector in gimp-2.0 and the file selector in gimp-2.1. the newer of the two is an invalid (sickly person) compared to its proud ancestors. i have tried to make a tutorial

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-04 Thread Carol Spears
hello back, On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 01:48:06AM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: now, to the new file selector. there is a huge difference between the file selector in gimp-2.0 and the file selector in gimp-2.1. the newer of the two is an invalid (sickly

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-04 Thread BandiPat
On Saturday 04 September 2004 08:18 pm, Carol Spears wrote: hello back, On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 01:48:06AM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: now, to the new file selector. there is a huge difference between the file selector in gimp-2.0 and the file

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-04 Thread Carol Spears
nice to hear from you Patrick, On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 09:39:52PM -0400, BandiPat wrote: As much as I agree with you on the new file selectors and disappointment that the Gimp developers can't change them, I'm afraid this is the state of Gnome/GTK+ presently. If you haven't seen Gnome

Re: [Gimp-user] gimp2 file selectors

2004-09-04 Thread Carol Spears
hello miguel, On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 12:32:37AM -0400, Miguel de Icaza wrote: Hello, Carol has decided that there is a conspiracy from someone against the Gimp or the toolkit or Unix, or something else. It is not clear from her paranoid e-mails. I have decided not to follow up to any