[GO] Buffy Jonathan Patrick

2004-11-15 Thread Laura Webster
I recently bought a whole load of Buffy DVDs, including series 2 and 3,
which I haven't really seen since they were originally on BBC2, and I
was surprised at how often Jonathan was actually around.  Yes, he was
only a proper character in the eps already mentioned, but he's actually
floating around having the occasional line in quite a number of eps. 
But then, he's such a sweetie!

Returning to someone's point about the similarities between Angel and
Patrick, having just read *Peter's Room* (which I absolutely loved) I
thought it was really interesting to read about Patrick's views on
courage etc, and how he thought ?Rupert would give in to the threat of
torture.  Are there any other books in which AF further explores this
'moral ambiguity'?

Liss




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[GO] Buffy ep names

2004-11-14 Thread Judith Ridge

 
 I never see any titles of the Buffy episodes, so I never know where I am when
 titles are mentioned.
 

Sorry if anyone has replied to this; I get digests at work and as it's
Monday morning I have about 10 still unread that came in over the weekend!

Anyway, the episode names don't actually appear on the episodes themselves;
you can get them easily, though, by googling buffy episode guide and
stacks of sites come up where you'll find them listed.

Judith (how far off topic is Buffy?!)



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[GO] Buffy/Jonathan

2004-11-13 Thread Diane Purkiss
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], girlsown-
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Jonathan's speech when presenting that daft
 umbrella at the Prom get me every time:

Is this the same Jonathan who's part of the three villains later?

He's in a lot of episodes.  A few examples: In Inca Mummy Girl the Inca
Princess tries to drain him; there's an episode where he decides to gun
down everyone from the Clock Tower; and (my favourite) in Series 4
there's a wonderful alternate reality episode called Super Star in which
everyone adores him and looks up to him and he's the one who saves the
world (a lot).  And yes, he's one of the Three.  

And yes, I am a total Buffy nerd.  I am gearing up to buy Series 1-7 on
DVD later this month by eating a lot of lettuce and toast :).  

Buffy talk reminds me to ask if any GO people have read a series of
high-school books called The Clique.  
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Re: [GO] Buffy

2004-11-13 Thread KAIT BESSING
Sandra Wright wrote:
 Still on Buffy but totally unrelated to Girlsown I am dying to know
 what peoples' opinions are on the whole Buffy and Angel or Buffy and
 Spike relationship question.  Am I the only one who prefers Spike to
 Angel? (Happy to go off-list!)
 
I loved Buffy and Angel together, but since they can't be, I really want the 
Buffy/Spike thing to work. Spike is certainly a great character with lots of 
charisma, I can understand why they brought him back!

Kait



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[GO] Buffy - ON topic, I claim stoutly

2004-11-13 Thread Diane Purkiss
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], girlsown-
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Still on Buffy but totally unrelated to Girlsown I am dying to know what
peoples' opinions are on the whole Buffy and Angel or Buffy and Spike
relationship question.  Am I the only one who prefers Spike to Angel? (Happy
to go off-list!)

I think Buffy is a GO text, even though it's a. tv and b. often teen
romance.  The first three series are set at school, and many of the
themes-and-issues are VERY GO - friendship and its limits, popularity
and its price, public duty versus private pleasure.  School stories
often have Gothic elements - many of Brazil's do, and there was The
Silent Three.  As well, the adventure/detecting aspect of Buffy also
drives many a GO plot.  And finally, Buffy is an entirely GO girl -
ringleader, tomboy and chum to the weak.  (Rather silken, too, but let
that pass.)  

Hence Angel and Spike are GO too, and as such very, very recognisable.

Am I the only one to see a passing resemblance between Angel and Patrick
Merrick - not just in the sense of being hotties, but a kind of
structural resemblance?  Both are the outsider that anchor the group
(The Marlow Family, the Scoobies), male where the group is
(predominantly) female, though in both groups the masculinity of the
outsider is emphasised because there is one male who struggles to seem
masculine enough in both groups (Peter, Xander). Both Angel and Patrick
are somehow doomed figures from the getgo, both are morally ambiguous,
and both are potentially deadly.  Both also carry a weight of cultural
memory, a knowingness from the past.

Spike, otoh, is straight from another kind of literature altogether, the
realist novel of the Angry Young Men, and the whole point of him is that
he really has no proper place in the Buffyverse socially, which is why
he carries such a strong sexual charge of alienness and difference. 

So after all that faffling, I liked both relationships and thought they
both worked superbly in different ways.  
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Re: [GO] Buffy

2004-11-13 Thread Elspeth O'Mara
No, Spike is great. Angel just mopes around,  full of angst. And his eyes
are too close together.

Elspeth
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From: Sandra Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: girlsown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:06 PM
Subject: [GO] Buffy


 Although I am a huge sook, i don;t think I have cried that much over
 Buffy...I have when Joyce and Tara die but not much else.  I bet now
though
 that the tears will come the next time I watch these episodes! Actuallyt,
I
 think I have cried recently, but can';t remember when.  I am in the middle
 of re-watching season 7.

 Still on Buffy but totally unrelated to Girlsown I am dying to know what
 peoples' opinions are on the whole Buffy and Angel or Buffy and Spike
 relationship question.  Am I the only one who prefers Spike to Angel?
(Happy
 to go off-list!)

 Sandra

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Re: [GO] Buffy

2004-11-12 Thread KAIT BESSING
I never see any titles of the Buffy episodes, so I never know where I am when 
titles are mentioned. 

(Of course, the Swedish sub-titles may cover them up, as they do all the guest 
starring names.)

I thought Tara's death was extremely sad, too. I just never saw it coming!

We're on the last season here in Sweden. There can't be many episodes to go as 
everything is falling apart.

Kait

Diane Purkiss wrote:
 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], girlsown-
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 What episodes, precisely?
 
 Innocence.  And I know it's in Angel, but it's got Buffy in it: I Will
 Remember You.  And the one where Tara dies.
 
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