Re: [git-users] Any commercial products for GIT?
On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 10:40:16 -0800 (PST) Jirong Hu jirong...@gmail.com wrote: I took a quick look at Stash. Do we really need this? This looks like a GIT add-on, as it said, GIT repo management tool. It's not GIT, right? AFAIK, there's no proprietary/commertial (re-)implementation of Git. And there appears to be no enterprise which bases its business on supporting Git *binaries.* You might be impressed but the whole Windows port is being put forward by some five *unpaid* folks in their fscking free time. Yes, they have over thousand downloads per day and still the things are as explained. I, personally, am really puzzled by this state of affairs (given the ubuquity of Git as a DVCS tool these days). In any case, there's a very good description of this situation provided by one of the folks behind Git for Windows [1]. As to client-side tooling, I do not really understand your reasoning. If you're not fine with the fact stock Git (and Git for Windows) are not commercially supported, just buy any commertial client Git front-end or a tool like this and get commercial support. Why are you so fixated on Git itself? Say, the Github application uses both Git itself and the libgit2 library (these projects are not related, and are both FOSS), and this beast *is* commercially supported (if you buy its commercial flavor) no matter it's based on unsupported tools. The same applies to MSVS 2013 for instance: they support Git out of the box--notice the word support. It doesn't then really matter for you how exactly they do that so long it's supported. Isn't this the very idea of paying for this support for the support's sake? -- you throw your money at someone in exchange for not caring about the gory details of your software. Do you get the idea now? As to Stash... I dunno. If you're an enterprise you will most certainly want maintaining a reference (blessed) repositories for all your projects--with access controls, code reviews, bugtracker intergation and so on and so on, and for that you'll need a Git hosting solution. Yes, plain Git can be self-hosting or might be hosted with the help of a web server or an SSH server, but you will have zero integration with anything, and yes--no commercial support as well. And Stash appears to be just that--a turn-key Git hosting solution. And since you have invested in Atlassian projects, why not invest in another, enjoying integration with the rest of their tools? (No, I'm not affiliated with Atlassian in any way--I've just googled for Atlassian+Git). 1. https://groups.google.com/d/msg/msysgit/phVulfbQnGM/JxELse0-HnUJ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Git for human beings group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to git-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [git-users] Any commercial products for GIT?
On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 7:40:16 PM UTC+1, Jirong Hu wrote: I took a quick look at Stash. Do we really need this? This looks like a GIT add-on, as it said, GIT repo management tool. It's not GIT, right? *coff* here's an interview with the lead developer of Stash (audio-only): http://episodes.gitminutes.com/2014/02/gitminutes-27-stefan-saasen-from.html :) (Note that I have no preference for one repo manager or the other, be it product or service. We use simple bare repositories accessible over SSH at my tiny company, with gitweb as frontend.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Git for human beings group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to git-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [git-users] Any commercial products for GIT?
On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 08:01:47 -0800 (PST) Jirong Hu jirong...@gmail.com wrote: For large companies like banks, we need commercial support. We need a company like Atlassian for JIRA, JetBrains for TeamCity and JFog for Artifactory. A GIT product takes care of integration to popular tools such as eclipse, MSVS, as well as JIRA, TeamCity, etc. Is there anything similar for GIT? Not GitHub, we want to host it within the company. I'm not really sure how such a product should look like -- here's why: Eclipse already supports Git through its EGit layer (based on the JGit library). MSVS 2013 supports Git out of the box; for older versions you could possibly use Git Extensions. JIRA has Git integration plugin. TeamCity appears to support Git as well. So what are you really expecting? A company which would randomly pick these commercial and free tools you've listed and somehow package it or reimplement and then support the end result? This seems like an unlikely scenario, IMO. As to commercial in-house hosting, Atlassian offers [1] -- does it qualify? 1. https://www.atlassian.com/software/stash -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Git for human beings group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to git-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [git-users] Any commercial products for GIT?
You know management wants something has an official support. Stash is a good idea, since we are going to buy so many other tools from Atlassian. On Tuesday, 25 February 2014 11:54:51 UTC-5, Konstantin Khomoutov wrote: On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 08:01:47 -0800 (PST) Jirong Hu jiro...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: For large companies like banks, we need commercial support. We need a company like Atlassian for JIRA, JetBrains for TeamCity and JFog for Artifactory. A GIT product takes care of integration to popular tools such as eclipse, MSVS, as well as JIRA, TeamCity, etc. Is there anything similar for GIT? Not GitHub, we want to host it within the company. I'm not really sure how such a product should look like -- here's why: Eclipse already supports Git through its EGit layer (based on the JGit library). MSVS 2013 supports Git out of the box; for older versions you could possibly use Git Extensions. JIRA has Git integration plugin. TeamCity appears to support Git as well. So what are you really expecting? A company which would randomly pick these commercial and free tools you've listed and somehow package it or reimplement and then support the end result? This seems like an unlikely scenario, IMO. As to commercial in-house hosting, Atlassian offers [1] -- does it qualify? 1. https://www.atlassian.com/software/stash -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Git for human beings group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to git-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [git-users] Any commercial products for GIT?
- Original Message - From: Jirong Hu To: git-users@googlegroups.com Cc: Jirong Hu Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [git-users] Any commercial products for GIT? You know management wants something has an official support. Ah, management, don't you just love the way they want to spend money so they can blame someone else - they understand the price of everything, and the value of 'nothing' (FOSS ;-) Philip Stash is a good idea, since we are going to buy so many other tools from Atlassian. On Tuesday, 25 February 2014 11:54:51 UTC-5, Konstantin Khomoutov wrote: On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 08:01:47 -0800 (PST) Jirong Hu jiro...@gmail.com wrote: For large companies like banks, we need commercial support. We need a company like Atlassian for JIRA, JetBrains for TeamCity and JFog for Artifactory. A GIT product takes care of integration to popular tools such as eclipse, MSVS, as well as JIRA, TeamCity, etc. Is there anything similar for GIT? Not GitHub, we want to host it within the company. I'm not really sure how such a product should look like -- here's why: Eclipse already supports Git through its EGit layer (based on the JGit library). MSVS 2013 supports Git out of the box; for older versions you could possibly use Git Extensions. JIRA has Git integration plugin. TeamCity appears to support Git as well. So what are you really expecting? A company which would randomly pick these commercial and free tools you've listed and somehow package it or reimplement and then support the end result? This seems like an unlikely scenario, IMO. As to commercial in-house hosting, Atlassian offers [1] -- does it qualify? 1. https://www.atlassian.com/software/stash -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Git for human beings group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to git-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [git-users] Any commercial products for GIT?
I took a quick look at Stash. Do we really need this? This looks like a GIT add-on, as it said, GIT repo management tool. It's not GIT, right? On Tuesday, 25 February 2014 11:54:51 UTC-5, Konstantin Khomoutov wrote: On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 08:01:47 -0800 (PST) Jirong Hu jiro...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: For large companies like banks, we need commercial support. We need a company like Atlassian for JIRA, JetBrains for TeamCity and JFog for Artifactory. A GIT product takes care of integration to popular tools such as eclipse, MSVS, as well as JIRA, TeamCity, etc. Is there anything similar for GIT? Not GitHub, we want to host it within the company. I'm not really sure how such a product should look like -- here's why: Eclipse already supports Git through its EGit layer (based on the JGit library). MSVS 2013 supports Git out of the box; for older versions you could possibly use Git Extensions. JIRA has Git integration plugin. TeamCity appears to support Git as well. So what are you really expecting? A company which would randomly pick these commercial and free tools you've listed and somehow package it or reimplement and then support the end result? This seems like an unlikely scenario, IMO. As to commercial in-house hosting, Atlassian offers [1] -- does it qualify? 1. https://www.atlassian.com/software/stash -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Git for human beings group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to git-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [git-users] Any commercial products for GIT?
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 10:40:16AM -0800, Jirong Hu wrote: I took a quick look at Stash. Do we really need this? This looks like a GIT add-on, as it said, GIT repo management tool. It's not GIT, right? AFAIU you /do/ want a GIT repo management tool -- something that allows you to manage your GIT server, create new repos, set up access rights, etc. GIT itself is nothing more than a set of command line tools that operate on a repo on your local computer. It is not in and of itself a client-server application[^1]. One could say it's the client, and then you need something else to serve up the repos, a webserver. /M -- Magnus Therning OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4 email: mag...@therning.org jabber: mag...@therning.org twitter: magthe http://therning.org/magnus As long as there are ill-defined goals, bizarre bugs, and unrealistic schedules, there will be Real Programmers willing to jump in and Solve The Problem, saving the documentation for later. Long live Fortran! -- Ed Post [^1]: In most setups at least, there is always git-daemon, but you shouldn't use it for serious deployments. pgpOMZ36faxyP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [git-users] Any commercial products for GIT?
2014-02-25 18:15 GMT-03:00 Magnus Therning mag...@therning.org: On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 10:40:16AM -0800, Jirong Hu wrote: I took a quick look at Stash. Do we really need this? This looks like a GIT add-on, as it said, GIT repo management tool. It's not GIT, right? AFAIU you /do/ want a GIT repo management tool -- something that allows you to manage your GIT server, create new repos, set up access rights, etc. GIT itself is nothing more than a set of command line tools that operate on a repo on your local computer. It is not in and of itself a client-server application[^1]. One could say it's the client, and then you need something else to serve up the repos, a webserver. /M -- Magnus Therning OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4 email: mag...@therning.org jabber: mag...@therning.org twitter: magthe http://therning.org/magnus As long as there are ill-defined goals, bizarre bugs, and unrealistic schedules, there will be Real Programmers willing to jump in and Solve The Problem, saving the documentation for later. Long live Fortran! -- Ed Post [^1]: In most setups at least, there is always git-daemon, but you shouldn't use it for serious deployments. In other words git is a decentralized vcs and when you need to share your work with various team members things can turn a little messy, this tools will help you organizing this things. This tools work over git, they aren't a add-on. I also recomend gitlab, they offer two versions comunity edition and enterprise or something like that. -- Nelson Efrain A. Cruz - https://plus.google.com/106845325502523605960/about -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Git for human beings group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to git-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
