Re: [git-users] Any commercial products for GIT?

2014-02-26 Thread Konstantin Khomoutov
On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 10:40:16 -0800 (PST)
Jirong Hu jirong...@gmail.com wrote:

 I took a quick look at Stash. Do we really need this? This looks like
 a GIT add-on, as it said, GIT repo management tool. It's not GIT,
 right?

AFAIK, there's no proprietary/commertial (re-)implementation of Git.
And there appears to be no enterprise which bases its business on
supporting Git *binaries.*  You might be impressed but the whole
Windows port is being put forward by some five *unpaid* folks in their
fscking free time.  Yes, they have over thousand downloads per day and
still the things are as explained.  I, personally, am really puzzled by
this state of affairs (given the ubuquity of Git as a DVCS tool these
days).  In any case, there's a very good description of this situation
provided by one of the folks behind Git for Windows [1].

As to client-side tooling, I do not really understand your reasoning.
If you're not fine with the fact stock Git (and Git for Windows) are
not commercially supported, just buy any commertial client Git front-end
or a tool like this and get commercial support.  Why are you so fixated
on Git itself?  Say, the Github application uses both Git itself and
the libgit2 library (these projects are not related, and are both FOSS),
and this beast *is* commercially supported (if you buy its commercial
flavor) no matter it's based on unsupported tools.  The same applies
to MSVS 2013 for instance: they support Git out of the box--notice the
word support.  It doesn't then really matter for you how exactly they
do that so long it's supported.  Isn't this the very idea of paying for
this support for the support's sake? -- you throw your money at someone
in exchange for not caring about the gory details of your software.
Do you get the idea now?

As to Stash...  I dunno.  If you're an enterprise you will most
certainly want maintaining a reference (blessed) repositories for
all your projects--with access controls, code reviews, bugtracker
intergation and so on and so on, and for that you'll need a Git hosting
solution.  Yes, plain Git can be self-hosting or might be hosted
with the help of a web server or an SSH server, but you will have
zero integration with anything, and yes--no commercial support as well.
And Stash appears to be just that--a turn-key Git hosting solution.
And since you have invested in Atlassian projects, why not invest in
another, enjoying integration with the rest of their tools? (No, I'm
not affiliated with Atlassian in any way--I've just googled for
Atlassian+Git).

1. https://groups.google.com/d/msg/msysgit/phVulfbQnGM/JxELse0-HnUJ

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Re: [git-users] Any commercial products for GIT?

2014-02-26 Thread Thomas Ferris Nicolaisen
On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 7:40:16 PM UTC+1, Jirong Hu wrote:

 I took a quick look at Stash. Do we really need this? This looks like a 
 GIT add-on, as it said, GIT repo management tool. It's not GIT, right? 

 


*coff* here's an interview with the lead developer of Stash (audio-only): 
http://episodes.gitminutes.com/2014/02/gitminutes-27-stefan-saasen-from.html 
:)

(Note that I have no preference for one repo manager or the other, be it 
product or service. We use simple bare repositories accessible over SSH at 
my tiny company, with gitweb as frontend.)
  

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Re: [git-users] Any commercial products for GIT?

2014-02-25 Thread Konstantin Khomoutov
On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 08:01:47 -0800 (PST)
Jirong Hu jirong...@gmail.com wrote:

 For large companies like banks, we need commercial support. We need a 
 company like Atlassian for JIRA, JetBrains for TeamCity and JFog for 
 Artifactory. A GIT product takes care of integration to popular tools
 such as eclipse, MSVS, as well as JIRA, TeamCity, etc.
 
 Is there anything similar for GIT? Not GitHub, we want to host it
 within the company.

I'm not really sure how such a product should look like -- here's why:
Eclipse already supports Git through its EGit layer (based on the JGit
library).  MSVS 2013 supports Git out of the box; for older versions
you could possibly use Git Extensions.  JIRA has Git integration plugin.
TeamCity appears to support Git as well.  So what are you really
expecting?  A company which would randomly pick these commercial
and free tools you've listed and somehow package it or reimplement and
then support the end result?  This seems like an unlikely scenario, IMO.

As to commercial in-house hosting, Atlassian offers [1] -- does it
qualify?

1. https://www.atlassian.com/software/stash

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Re: [git-users] Any commercial products for GIT?

2014-02-25 Thread Fabio D'Alfonso
Hi,
I found a very good client in Syntevo SmartGit/Hg, for clients and e very
good solution for servers in  GitLaB, there a community edition, I would
check if there option for support also for this, and an enterprise edition,
and professional services supplied by GitLab.com.




On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Jirong Hu jirong...@gmail.com wrote:

 For large companies like banks, we need commercial support. We need a
 company like Atlassian for JIRA, JetBrains for TeamCity and JFog for
 Artifactory. A GIT product takes care of integration to popular tools such
 as eclipse, MSVS, as well as JIRA, TeamCity, etc.

 Is there anything similar for GIT? Not GitHub, we want to host it within
 the company.

 Jirong

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Re: [git-users] Any commercial products for GIT?

2014-02-25 Thread Jirong Hu
You know management wants something has an official support. Stash is a 
good idea, since we are going to buy so many other tools from Atlassian.

On Tuesday, 25 February 2014 11:54:51 UTC-5, Konstantin Khomoutov wrote:

 On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 08:01:47 -0800 (PST) 
 Jirong Hu jiro...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: 

  For large companies like banks, we need commercial support. We need a 
  company like Atlassian for JIRA, JetBrains for TeamCity and JFog for 
  Artifactory. A GIT product takes care of integration to popular tools 
  such as eclipse, MSVS, as well as JIRA, TeamCity, etc. 
  
  Is there anything similar for GIT? Not GitHub, we want to host it 
  within the company. 

 I'm not really sure how such a product should look like -- here's why: 
 Eclipse already supports Git through its EGit layer (based on the JGit 
 library).  MSVS 2013 supports Git out of the box; for older versions 
 you could possibly use Git Extensions.  JIRA has Git integration plugin. 
 TeamCity appears to support Git as well.  So what are you really 
 expecting?  A company which would randomly pick these commercial 
 and free tools you've listed and somehow package it or reimplement and 
 then support the end result?  This seems like an unlikely scenario, IMO. 

 As to commercial in-house hosting, Atlassian offers [1] -- does it 
 qualify? 

 1. https://www.atlassian.com/software/stash 


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Re: [git-users] Any commercial products for GIT?

2014-02-25 Thread Jirong Hu
https://enterprise.github.com/pricing

GITHub Enterprise is so expensive, I am wondering if anyone is using it.


On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Jirong Hu jirong...@gmail.com wrote:

 You know management wants something has an official support. Stash is a
 good idea, since we are going to buy so many other tools from Atlassian.


 On Tuesday, 25 February 2014 11:54:51 UTC-5, Konstantin Khomoutov wrote:

 On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 08:01:47 -0800 (PST)
 Jirong Hu jiro...@gmail.com wrote:

  For large companies like banks, we need commercial support. We need a
  company like Atlassian for JIRA, JetBrains for TeamCity and JFog for
  Artifactory. A GIT product takes care of integration to popular tools
  such as eclipse, MSVS, as well as JIRA, TeamCity, etc.
 
  Is there anything similar for GIT? Not GitHub, we want to host it
  within the company.

 I'm not really sure how such a product should look like -- here's why:
 Eclipse already supports Git through its EGit layer (based on the JGit
 library).  MSVS 2013 supports Git out of the box; for older versions
 you could possibly use Git Extensions.  JIRA has Git integration plugin.
 TeamCity appears to support Git as well.  So what are you really
 expecting?  A company which would randomly pick these commercial
 and free tools you've listed and somehow package it or reimplement and
 then support the end result?  This seems like an unlikely scenario, IMO.

 As to commercial in-house hosting, Atlassian offers [1] -- does it
 qualify?

 1. https://www.atlassian.com/software/stash



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Re: [git-users] Any commercial products for GIT?

2014-02-25 Thread Philip Oakley
- Original Message - 
  From: Jirong Hu 
  To: git-users@googlegroups.com 
  Cc: Jirong Hu 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 5:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [git-users] Any commercial products for GIT?


  You know management wants something has an official support. 

Ah, management, don't you just love the way they want to spend money so they 
can blame someone else - they understand the price of everything, and the value 
of 'nothing' (FOSS ;-)

Philip

  Stash is a good idea, since we are going to buy so many other tools from 
Atlassian.

  On Tuesday, 25 February 2014 11:54:51 UTC-5, Konstantin Khomoutov wrote:
On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 08:01:47 -0800 (PST) 
Jirong Hu jiro...@gmail.com wrote: 

 For large companies like banks, we need commercial support. We need a 
 company like Atlassian for JIRA, JetBrains for TeamCity and JFog for 
 Artifactory. A GIT product takes care of integration to popular tools 
 such as eclipse, MSVS, as well as JIRA, TeamCity, etc. 
 
 Is there anything similar for GIT? Not GitHub, we want to host it 
 within the company. 

I'm not really sure how such a product should look like -- here's why: 
Eclipse already supports Git through its EGit layer (based on the JGit 
library).  MSVS 2013 supports Git out of the box; for older versions 
you could possibly use Git Extensions.  JIRA has Git integration plugin. 
TeamCity appears to support Git as well.  So what are you really 
expecting?  A company which would randomly pick these commercial 
and free tools you've listed and somehow package it or reimplement and 
then support the end result?  This seems like an unlikely scenario, IMO. 

As to commercial in-house hosting, Atlassian offers [1] -- does it 
qualify? 

1. https://www.atlassian.com/software/stash 

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Re: [git-users] Any commercial products for GIT?

2014-02-25 Thread Jirong Hu
I took a quick look at Stash. Do we really need this? This looks like a GIT 
add-on, as it said, GIT repo management tool. It's not GIT, right?

On Tuesday, 25 February 2014 11:54:51 UTC-5, Konstantin Khomoutov wrote:

 On Tue, 25 Feb 2014 08:01:47 -0800 (PST) 
 Jirong Hu jiro...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: 

  For large companies like banks, we need commercial support. We need a 
  company like Atlassian for JIRA, JetBrains for TeamCity and JFog for 
  Artifactory. A GIT product takes care of integration to popular tools 
  such as eclipse, MSVS, as well as JIRA, TeamCity, etc. 
  
  Is there anything similar for GIT? Not GitHub, we want to host it 
  within the company. 

 I'm not really sure how such a product should look like -- here's why: 
 Eclipse already supports Git through its EGit layer (based on the JGit 
 library).  MSVS 2013 supports Git out of the box; for older versions 
 you could possibly use Git Extensions.  JIRA has Git integration plugin. 
 TeamCity appears to support Git as well.  So what are you really 
 expecting?  A company which would randomly pick these commercial 
 and free tools you've listed and somehow package it or reimplement and 
 then support the end result?  This seems like an unlikely scenario, IMO. 

 As to commercial in-house hosting, Atlassian offers [1] -- does it 
 qualify? 

 1. https://www.atlassian.com/software/stash 


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Re: [git-users] Any commercial products for GIT?

2014-02-25 Thread Magnus Therning
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 10:40:16AM -0800, Jirong Hu wrote:
 I took a quick look at Stash. Do we really need this? This looks
 like a GIT add-on, as it said, GIT repo management tool. It's not
 GIT, right?

AFAIU you /do/ want a GIT repo management tool -- something that
allows you to manage your GIT server, create new repos, set up access
rights, etc.

GIT itself is nothing more than a set of command line tools that
operate on a repo on your local computer.  It is not in and of itself
a client-server application[^1].  One could say it's the client, and
then you need something else to serve up the repos, a webserver.

/M

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[^1]: In most setups at least, there is always git-daemon, but you
shouldn't use it for serious deployments.


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Re: [git-users] Any commercial products for GIT?

2014-02-25 Thread Nelson Efrain A. Cruz
2014-02-25 18:15 GMT-03:00 Magnus Therning mag...@therning.org:

 On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 10:40:16AM -0800, Jirong Hu wrote:
  I took a quick look at Stash. Do we really need this? This looks
  like a GIT add-on, as it said, GIT repo management tool. It's not
  GIT, right?

 AFAIU you /do/ want a GIT repo management tool -- something that
 allows you to manage your GIT server, create new repos, set up access
 rights, etc.

 GIT itself is nothing more than a set of command line tools that
 operate on a repo on your local computer.  It is not in and of itself
 a client-server application[^1].  One could say it's the client, and
 then you need something else to serve up the repos, a webserver.

 /M

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 schedules, there will be Real Programmers willing to jump in and Solve The
 Problem, saving the documentation for later.  Long live Fortran!
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 [^1]: In most setups at least, there is always git-daemon, but you
 shouldn't use it for serious deployments.


In other words git is a decentralized vcs and when you need to share your
work with various team members things can turn a little messy, this tools
will help you organizing this things.

This tools work over git, they aren't a add-on.

I also recomend gitlab, they offer two versions comunity edition and
enterprise or something like that.

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