Re: [PATCH] doc: State coding guideline for error message punctuation

2014-07-15 Thread Philip Oakley

From: "Junio C Hamano" 
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 9:36 PM

Jeff King  writes:


On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 01:55:57PM +0100, Philip Oakley wrote:


+Error Messages
+
+ - We typically do not end error messages with a full stop. While
+   we've been rather inconsistent in the past, these days we mostly
+   settle on no punctuation.


Unlike Junio, I do not mind spelling out guidance for error messages.
However, I do not think the second sentence is adding anything here
(everything in CodingGuidelines is subject to "we did not always do 
it

this way, but this is the preferred way now"). So I'd drop it.

And then add in more guidance. Besides "no full stop", probably:

  1. do not capitalize ("unable to open %s", not "Unable to open %s"

  2. maybe something on sentence structure / ordering? We tend to 
prefer

 "cannot open 'foo': No such file or directory" to "foo: cannot
 open: No such file or directory".

Perhaps there are others (we do not have to be exhaustive, but it 
makes

sense to think for a moment while we are here).


I do not want to forever be waiting for a reroll, so let's queue
this and advance it to 'next' soonish, and refine the guidelines by
further building on top of it as needed.



Sorry, I've been away on vacation for the last few weeks. I hadn't been 
sure what to include in a re-roll without it gaining too much mission 
creep.


Thanks for keeping an eye on it.



Thanks.

-- >8 --
From: Philip Oakley 
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 13:55:57 +0100
Subject: [PATCH] doc: give some guidelines for error messages

Clarify error message puntuation to reduce review workload.

Signed-off-by: Philip Oakley 
Helped-by: Jeff King 
Signed-off-by: Junio C Hamano 
---
Documentation/CodingGuidelines | 9 +
1 file changed, 9 insertions(+)

diff --git a/Documentation/CodingGuidelines 
b/Documentation/CodingGuidelines

index f424dbd..f4137c6 100644
--- a/Documentation/CodingGuidelines
+++ b/Documentation/CodingGuidelines
@@ -264,6 +264,15 @@ For Python scripts:
   documentation for version 2.6 does not mention this prefix, it has
   been supported since version 2.6.0.

+Error Messages
+
+ - Do not end error messages with a full stop.
+
+ - Do not capitalize ("unable to open %s", not "Unable to open %s")
+
+ - Say what the error is first ("cannot open %s", not "%s: cannot 
open")

+
+
Writing Documentation:

 Most (if not all) of the documentation pages are written in the
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Re: [PATCH] doc: State coding guideline for error message punctuation

2014-07-10 Thread Jeff King
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 01:36:05PM -0700, Junio C Hamano wrote:

> > Perhaps there are others (we do not have to be exhaustive, but it makes
> > sense to think for a moment while we are here).
> 
> I do not want to forever be waiting for a reroll, so let's queue
> this and advance it to 'next' soonish, and refine the guidelines by
> further building on top of it as needed.

Yes, that looks good to me. Thanks for moving this forward.

-Peff
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Re: [PATCH] doc: State coding guideline for error message punctuation

2014-07-10 Thread Junio C Hamano
Jeff King  writes:

> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 01:55:57PM +0100, Philip Oakley wrote:
>
>> +Error Messages
>> +
>> + - We typically do not end error messages with a full stop. While
>> +   we've been rather inconsistent in the past, these days we mostly
>> +   settle on no punctuation.
>
> Unlike Junio, I do not mind spelling out guidance for error messages.
> However, I do not think the second sentence is adding anything here
> (everything in CodingGuidelines is subject to "we did not always do it
> this way, but this is the preferred way now"). So I'd drop it.
>
> And then add in more guidance. Besides "no full stop", probably:
>
>   1. do not capitalize ("unable to open %s", not "Unable to open %s"
>
>   2. maybe something on sentence structure / ordering? We tend to prefer
>  "cannot open 'foo': No such file or directory" to "foo: cannot
>  open: No such file or directory".
>
> Perhaps there are others (we do not have to be exhaustive, but it makes
> sense to think for a moment while we are here).

I do not want to forever be waiting for a reroll, so let's queue
this and advance it to 'next' soonish, and refine the guidelines by
further building on top of it as needed.

Thanks.

-- >8 --
From: Philip Oakley 
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 13:55:57 +0100
Subject: [PATCH] doc: give some guidelines for error messages

Clarify error message puntuation to reduce review workload.

Signed-off-by: Philip Oakley 
Helped-by: Jeff King 
Signed-off-by: Junio C Hamano 
---
 Documentation/CodingGuidelines | 9 +
 1 file changed, 9 insertions(+)

diff --git a/Documentation/CodingGuidelines b/Documentation/CodingGuidelines
index f424dbd..f4137c6 100644
--- a/Documentation/CodingGuidelines
+++ b/Documentation/CodingGuidelines
@@ -264,6 +264,15 @@ For Python scripts:
documentation for version 2.6 does not mention this prefix, it has
been supported since version 2.6.0.
 
+Error Messages
+
+ - Do not end error messages with a full stop.
+
+ - Do not capitalize ("unable to open %s", not "Unable to open %s")
+
+ - Say what the error is first ("cannot open %s", not "%s: cannot open")
+
+
 Writing Documentation:
 
  Most (if not all) of the documentation pages are written in the
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2.0.1-751-ge540734
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Re: [PATCH] doc: State coding guideline for error message punctuation

2014-06-17 Thread Jeff King
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 01:55:57PM +0100, Philip Oakley wrote:

> +Error Messages
> +
> + - We typically do not end error messages with a full stop. While
> +   we've been rather inconsistent in the past, these days we mostly
> +   settle on no punctuation.

Unlike Junio, I do not mind spelling out guidance for error messages.
However, I do not think the second sentence is adding anything here
(everything in CodingGuidelines is subject to "we did not always do it
this way, but this is the preferred way now"). So I'd drop it.

And then add in more guidance. Besides "no full stop", probably:

  1. do not capitalize ("unable to open %s", not "Unable to open %s"

  2. maybe something on sentence structure / ordering? We tend to prefer
 "cannot open 'foo': No such file or directory" to "foo: cannot
 open: No such file or directory".

Perhaps there are others (we do not have to be exhaustive, but it makes
sense to think for a moment while we are here).

-Peff
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Re: [PATCH] doc: State coding guideline for error message punctuation

2014-06-16 Thread Philip Oakley

From: "Junio C Hamano" 

Philip Oakley  writes:


Clarify error message puntuation to reduce review workload [1].

[1] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/251547
(see trailing 'nit' item).

Signed-off-by: Philip Oakley 
---


Hmmm.  Do we really need to spell everything out?
It was more of a case of 'do we often have to provide this guidance in 
reviews'?
The trailing full stop does appear to come up moderately often, along 
with other punctuation issues. I am on the 'guidance of the wise and 
education of others' side of the camp, rather than they being rules and 
regulations (as was recently misunderstood), so lets educate.


I haven't yet had the time to search deeply, but I'm sure I've also seen 
various bits of guidance on suitability and style of error messages in 
the last year of so that the section can be rounded out on that front as 
well (no doubt similar to some of the commit message guidance).




I would rather hope that we can rely on our contributors to know Git
well enough to ask "git grep" after reading the "follow the style of
existing and surrounding code" rule that governs the overall
guideline.


I don't see error messages as "code" per se, rather as an attempt at a 
consistent user interface[*], and the user errors can come from 
anywhere, so if we have settled on a style, let's say so.


Philip

[*] My distinction here: "code" is a developer interface, "commands and 
error messages" is the UI.





 Documentation/CodingGuidelines | 7 +++
 1 file changed, 7 insertions(+)

diff --git a/Documentation/CodingGuidelines 
b/Documentation/CodingGuidelines

index 4d90c77..b2f3442 100644
--- a/Documentation/CodingGuidelines
+++ b/Documentation/CodingGuidelines
@@ -404,6 +404,13 @@ For Python scripts:
documentation for version 2.6 does not mention this prefix, it 
has

been supported since version 2.6.0.

+Error Messages
+
+ - We typically do not end error messages with a full stop. While
+   we've been rather inconsistent in the past, these days we mostly
+   settle on no punctuation.
+
+
 Writing Documentation:

  Most (if not all) of the documentation pages are written in the

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Re: [PATCH] doc: State coding guideline for error message punctuation

2014-06-16 Thread Junio C Hamano
Philip Oakley  writes:

> Clarify error message puntuation to reduce review workload [1].
>
> [1] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/251547
> (see trailing 'nit' item).
>
> Signed-off-by: Philip Oakley 
> ---

Hmmm.  Do we really need to spell everything out?

I would rather hope that we can rely on our contributors to know Git
well enough to ask "git grep" after reading the "follow the style of
existing and surrounding code" rule that governs the overall
guideline.

>  Documentation/CodingGuidelines | 7 +++
>  1 file changed, 7 insertions(+)
>
> diff --git a/Documentation/CodingGuidelines b/Documentation/CodingGuidelines
> index 4d90c77..b2f3442 100644
> --- a/Documentation/CodingGuidelines
> +++ b/Documentation/CodingGuidelines
> @@ -404,6 +404,13 @@ For Python scripts:
> documentation for version 2.6 does not mention this prefix, it has
> been supported since version 2.6.0.
>  
> +Error Messages
> +
> + - We typically do not end error messages with a full stop. While
> +   we've been rather inconsistent in the past, these days we mostly
> +   settle on no punctuation.
> +
> +
>  Writing Documentation:
>  
>   Most (if not all) of the documentation pages are written in the
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[PATCH] doc: State coding guideline for error message punctuation

2014-06-16 Thread Philip Oakley
Clarify error message puntuation to reduce review workload [1].

[1] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/251547
(see trailing 'nit' item).

Signed-off-by: Philip Oakley 
---
 Documentation/CodingGuidelines | 7 +++
 1 file changed, 7 insertions(+)

diff --git a/Documentation/CodingGuidelines b/Documentation/CodingGuidelines
index 4d90c77..b2f3442 100644
--- a/Documentation/CodingGuidelines
+++ b/Documentation/CodingGuidelines
@@ -404,6 +404,13 @@ For Python scripts:
documentation for version 2.6 does not mention this prefix, it has
been supported since version 2.6.0.
 
+Error Messages
+
+ - We typically do not end error messages with a full stop. While
+   we've been rather inconsistent in the past, these days we mostly
+   settle on no punctuation.
+
+
 Writing Documentation:
 
  Most (if not all) of the documentation pages are written in the
-- 
1.9.4.msysgit.0

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