Re: Using doxygen (or something similar) to generate API docs [was [PATCH 4/4] Add a function string_list_longest_prefix()]

2012-09-10 Thread Andreas Ericsson
On 09/10/2012 11:56 PM, Jeff King wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 09:21:12PM +0200, Michael Haggerty wrote:
> 
>> I'm renaming this thread so that the bikeshedding can get over ASAP.
> 
> Thanks. :)
> 
 http://tomdoc.org/

 Looks much nicer to me than most doxygen I've seen. But again, it's been
 a while, so maybe doxygen is nicer than I remember.
>>
>> I don't have a personal preference for what system is used.  I mentioned
>> doxygen only because it seems to be a well-known example.
>>
>>  From a glance at the URL you mentioned, it looks like TomDoc is only
>> applicable to Ruby code.
> 
> Yeah, sorry, I should have been more clear; tomdoc is not an option
> because it doesn't do C. But what I like about it is the more
> natural markup syntax. I was wondering if there were other similar
> solutions. Looks like "NaturalDocs" is one:
> 
>http://www.naturaldocs.org/documenting.html
> 
> On the other hand, doxygen is well-known among open source folks, which
> counts for something.  And from what I've read, recent versions support
> Markdown, but I'm not sure of the details. So maybe it is a lot better
> than I remember.
> 

Markdown is supported, yes. There aren't really any details to it.
I don't particularly like markdown, but my colleagues tend to use
it for howto's and whatnot and it can be mixed with other doxygen
styles without problem.


>>> Doxygen has a the very nifty feature of being able to generate
>>> callgraphs though. We use it extensively at $dayjob, so if you need a
>>> hand building something sensible out of git's headers, I'd be happy
>>> to help.
> 
> It has been over a decade since I seriously used doxygen for anything,
> and then it was a medium-sized project. So take my opinion with a grain
> of salt. But I remember the callgraph feature being one of those things
> that _sounded_ really cool, but in practice was not all that useful.
> 

It's like all tools; Once you're used to it, it's immensely useful. I
tend to prefer using it to find either code in dire need of refactoring
(where the graph is too large), or engines and exit points. For those
purposes, it's pretty hard to beat a good callgraph.

>> My plate is full.  If you are able to work on this, it would be awesome.
>>   As far as I'm concerned, you are the new literate documentation czar :-)
> 
> Lucky me? :)
> 

I think he was talking to me, but since you seem to have volunteered... ;)

> I think I'll leave it for the moment, and next time I start to add some
> api-level documentation I'll take a look at doxygen-ating them and see
> how I like it. And I'd invite anyone else to do the same (in doxygen, or
> whatever system you like -- the best way to evaluate a tool like this is
> to see how your real work would look).
> 

That's one of the problems. People follow what's already there, and there
are no comments there now so there won't be any added in the future :-/

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Re: Using doxygen (or something similar) to generate API docs [was [PATCH 4/4] Add a function string_list_longest_prefix()]

2012-09-10 Thread Michael Haggerty
On 09/10/2012 11:56 PM, Jeff King wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 09:21:12PM +0200, Michael Haggerty wrote:
>> My plate is full.  If you are able to work on this, it would be awesome.
>>  As far as I'm concerned, you are the new literate documentation czar :-)
> 
> Lucky me? :)

I was nominating Andreas, who rashly volunteered to help.  But don't
feel left out; there's enough work to go around :-)

> I think I'll leave it for the moment, and next time I start to add some
> api-level documentation I'll take a look at doxygen-ating them and see
> how I like it. And I'd invite anyone else to do the same (in doxygen, or
> whatever system you like -- the best way to evaluate a tool like this is
> to see how your real work would look).

I agree with that.  A very good start would be to mark up a single API
and build the docs (by hand if need be) using a proposed tool.  This
will let people get a feel for (1) what the markup has to look like and
(2) what they get out of it.

Michael

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Re: Using doxygen (or something similar) to generate API docs [was [PATCH 4/4] Add a function string_list_longest_prefix()]

2012-09-10 Thread Jeff King
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 09:21:12PM +0200, Michael Haggerty wrote:

> I'm renaming this thread so that the bikeshedding can get over ASAP.

Thanks. :)

> >>http://tomdoc.org/
> >>
> >> Looks much nicer to me than most doxygen I've seen. But again, it's been
> >> a while, so maybe doxygen is nicer than I remember.
> 
> I don't have a personal preference for what system is used.  I mentioned
> doxygen only because it seems to be a well-known example.
> 
> From a glance at the URL you mentioned, it looks like TomDoc is only
> applicable to Ruby code.

Yeah, sorry, I should have been more clear; tomdoc is not an option
because it doesn't do C. But what I like about it is the more
natural markup syntax. I was wondering if there were other similar
solutions. Looks like "NaturalDocs" is one:

  http://www.naturaldocs.org/documenting.html

On the other hand, doxygen is well-known among open source folks, which
counts for something.  And from what I've read, recent versions support
Markdown, but I'm not sure of the details. So maybe it is a lot better
than I remember.

> > Doxygen has a the very nifty feature of being able to generate
> > callgraphs though. We use it extensively at $dayjob, so if you need a
> > hand building something sensible out of git's headers, I'd be happy
> > to help.

It has been over a decade since I seriously used doxygen for anything,
and then it was a medium-sized project. So take my opinion with a grain
of salt. But I remember the callgraph feature being one of those things
that _sounded_ really cool, but in practice was not all that useful.

> My plate is full.  If you are able to work on this, it would be awesome.
>  As far as I'm concerned, you are the new literate documentation czar :-)

Lucky me? :)

I think I'll leave it for the moment, and next time I start to add some
api-level documentation I'll take a look at doxygen-ating them and see
how I like it. And I'd invite anyone else to do the same (in doxygen, or
whatever system you like -- the best way to evaluate a tool like this is
to see how your real work would look).

-Peff
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