Re: [GKD] Should Developed Countries Subsidize the Internet for LDCs?

2005-01-14 Thread Ian Howard
Njideka, et al., Just a small note that is a bit off topic. I have seen many people describe VSAT in terms of it being one product. Moreover, many people evaluating VSATs tend to fall into marketing hype and look only at the bit rate (128k vs 64k) and not other important factors such as what

Re: [GKD] Should Developed Countries Subsidize the Internet for LDCs?

2005-01-14 Thread Vickram Crishna
On 1/11/05, Medard Gabel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Thought experiment / Cost/benefit question: What would it cost (ball park estimate) to provide everyone in the world with broad band Internet access? ..snip... Building the high-speed wireless connection devices (or wired ones where

Re: [GKD] Should Developed Countries Subsidize the Internet for LDCs?

2005-01-11 Thread njideka
I enjoyed reading your post, Peter, as my organization, Youth for Technology Foundation, is currently exploring some of these possibilities. The shared bandwidth problem is never as easy as it sounds to implement. In Nigeria, this is the so-called revenue generating model of several cybercafes -

Re: [GKD] Should Developed Countries Subsidize the Internet for LDCs?

2005-01-11 Thread Medard Gabel
Dear Colleagues, A Thought experiment / Cost/benefit question: What would it cost (ball park estimate) to provide everyone in the world with broad band Internet access? Or, how much would it cost to provide everyone over the age of 10 in the developing world who is currently without any access

Re: [GKD] Should Developed Countries Subsidize the Internet for LDCs?

2005-01-07 Thread Paula Uimonen
Thanks, Mark, for clarifying important aspects of the reality of access costs. African countries show the results of taxation and monopolies very clearly. I have been working with a college in Tanzania that is an hour away from Dar es Salaam, which in this case means 'remote', at least in terms of

Re: [GKD] Should Developed Countries Subsidize the Internet for LDCs?

2005-01-07 Thread Ken DiPietro
Dear Colleagues, I took the liberty of answering in-line and editing the message, hopefully without disturbing the context. On 1/4/05, Edmond Gaible [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Monthly connection costs under volume-based pricing (1GB total traffic per month) is about $230. Recognizing the

Re: [GKD] Should Developed Countries Subsidize the Internet for LDCs?

2005-01-06 Thread Peter Baldwin
Dear Colleagues, This discussion may have already closed. Please forgive my tardiness; I have been traveling in the bush, but am keenly interested in this thread, as it pertains directly to what we are doing here in Mali. We are working with exactly the model that Jeff Buderer described: a

Re: [GKD] Should Developed Countries Subsidize the Internet for LDCs?

2005-01-05 Thread Mark Summer
A few thoughts from me here about various points raised in this thread: The high costs of internet access, especially of high-speed, always on, Internet access in the remote and under-served areas of the world is due to many reasons in my experience. * Lower demand due to lower per capita income

Re: [GKD] Should Developed Countries Subsidize the Internet for LDCs?

2005-01-05 Thread Lee Thorn
On 12/28/04, John Dada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And let me also stir things up a bit more, Lee. I've heard data bandied about what defines an LDC, and have heard things like folks living on less than $1/day. I don't know where these figures come from. But one of my mothers (yes, in rural

Re: [GKD] Should Developed Countries Subsidize the Internet for LDCs?

2005-01-04 Thread Edmond Gaible
Dear Colleagues, A quick set of numbers about a specific situation with regard to VSAT connectivity: As of September 2004, secondary schools in Uganda were able to purchase new KU-band VSAT terminals for US $2800 from the Ugandan offices of AFSAT. Monthly connection costs under volume-based

Re: [GKD] Should Developed Countries Subsidize the Internet for LDCs?

2004-12-28 Thread John Dada
And let me also stir things up a bit more, Lee. I've heard data bandied about what defines an LDC, and have heard things like folks living on less than $1/day. I don't know where these figures come from. But one of my mothers (yes, in rural Nigeria, every elderly woman is my mother) is on welfare

Re: [GKD] Should Developed Countries Subsidize the Internet for LDCs?

2004-12-24 Thread John Dada
I think there are subsidies, and then there are 'subsidies'. There is no way we can, as yet, sustain our monthly bandwidth subscription cost of $1,800 without recourse to a subsidy from our own micro-finance service. We have other pressing demands for this colossal (by our standards) subscription

Re: [GKD] Should Developed Countries Subsidize the Internet for LDCs?

2004-12-24 Thread Lee Thorn
On 12/20/04, Darrell Owen wrote: ...doing without subsidies would be better than with them if the local economics make this possible. In many locations it simply doesn't... Dear Colleagues, Happy Holidays! I was going to stay out of this particular thread because it is the holidays here in

Re: [GKD] Should Developed Countries Subsidize the Internet for LDCs?

2004-12-22 Thread Kris Dev
I fully agree with Cornelio Hopmann. To my mind, there should be no subsidy of any kind, as it creates a skewed society and the ultimate beneficiaries are the middlemen - the politician, the bureaucrat, the businessman, etc., and not the real poor. In the name of the poor, these people get the

Re: [GKD] Should Developed Countries Subsidize the Internet for LDCs?

2004-12-20 Thread Ken DiPietro
Dear GKD Members, As an ISP that uses alternative technologies to deliver connectivity I believe that I can not only speak with some authority on this subject but also offer some insight. I have opted for an in-line approach so as to preserve continuity in the discussion. On 12/10/04, Cornelio

Re: [GKD] Should Developed Countries Subsidize the Internet for LDCs?

2004-12-20 Thread Darrell Owen
Dear Colleagues: Cornelio Hopmann makes a number of correct observations, but at least in my mind, the focus of the discussion needs to be expanded in order to get a clearer picture as to the issue of subsidizing the Internet. As defined, the points Cornelio makes is a bit like focusing on the

Re: [GKD] Should Developed Countries Subsidize the Internet for LDCs?

2004-12-20 Thread Martin Klein
Dear Colleagues, To me, it seems that subsidies are useful as a way to exploit bifurcation points in the development of the bottom of the pyramid. MNCs (multinational corporations) in developed countries should be stimulated to start entrepreneurial ventures in developing countries as well as

[GKD] Should Developed Countries Subsidize the Internet for LDCs?

2004-12-10 Thread Cornelio Hopmann
Dear Colleagues, As it was tacitly touched upon in our recent focused discussion and is a hot topic for WSIS-2005, I would be interested in other opinions. To state it: in many cases they should not!...and not for the sake of avoiding spending but rather to avoid harming the Developing