Re: Proposal process status

2016-07-21 Thread Alexander Berntsen 
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I'm replying to this to clarify that I object to GitHub in order to
have a clear conscience, not because I think GitHub is a "bad tool".
Attempting to shoot down my arguments against GitHub with arguments
for convenience or it being a "a good tool", or popular, or whatever,
do not work. To me, GitHub is not even an alternative to begin with.
Of course, I don't expect most (or even any) devs here to agree with
my position, but I wanted to elucidate it nonetheless, so that you may
understand it better.

On 21/07/16 10:59, Sven Panne wrote:
> like it or not, the Haskell community already relies *heavily* on 
> GitHub, and it seems that most people don't have a problem with 
> that or consider the alternatives inferior.
Just because other people are doing The Wrong Thing, it does not mean
that you need to do it too, nor does it excuse your doing it.

> And I don't understand the point about "proprietary client-side 
> JavaScript" at all: Should we stop using 99% of the Internet 
> because some server sends us some JavaScript we have no license 
> for?
If you value your freedom: yes. It's proprietary software executed on
your computer, just like any other proprietary software executed on your
computer[0].

> And what about all those routers/switches/etc. in between which 
> connect you to the rest of the world: They definitely run 
> proprietary SW, and nobody cares (for a good reason).
Those do not execute proprietary software on your computer, so that's
not comparable.

> Don't get me wrong: I'm very much for Open Source, but let's not
> go over the top here. Let's use a tool basically everybody knows
> and focus on the content, not on the technology.
I am not in favour of open source at all, I am in favour of free
software. The issue is ethical, not technological, and saying "let's not
go over the top" does not make sense to me, as it is an ethical
position.


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Re: Proposal process status

2016-07-20 Thread Alexander Berntsen 
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On 20/07/16 23:41, Jack Hill wrote:
> Would the barrier to entry to a non-GitHub system be reduced by
> using GitHub for user authentication/accounts
For what it's worth, GitLab supports this[0]. You can also use
Twitter, or whatever.

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Re: Proposal process status

2016-07-20 Thread Alexander Berntsen 
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On 20/07/16 19:04, Ben Gamari wrote:
> I know, it's rather frustrating. I also have fairly strong feelings
>  about open-source purity, but in this case I just don't see any
> way to improve the current situation under this constraint.
I don't think that starting to rely on proprietary software *is* an
improvement, but the opposite.

> It does look like Gitlab is an impressive option but really then
> we are back to the problem of fragmented development tools. Using
> Trac, Phabricator, Gitlab, and mailing lists all in one project
> seems a bit silly.
I don't understand why using GitLab is more silly than using GitHub,
when considering fragmentation.
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Re: Proposal process status

2016-07-20 Thread Alexander Berntsen 
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On 20/07/16 19:00, Richard Eisenberg wrote:
> While I indeed sympathize with your desire to avoid proprietary, 
> closed software, I'd like to point out that avoiding GitHub
> because it's closed has a real cost
I don't value those points over my freedom. But those who don't value
their freedom might value them, so thanks for listing them.

> Also, what proprietary programs are needed to fully utilize GitHub?
> I just use git and ssh, both pieces of free software.
For proposals, we'll be doing lots of discussions and review. Those
parts of GitHub rely heavily on proprietary client-side JavaScript.
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Re: Proposal process status

2016-07-20 Thread Alexander Berntsen 
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On 20/07/16 11:36, Ben Gamari wrote:
> * What would you like to see changed in the proposed process, if 
> anything?
No GitHub. In order to fully utilise GitHub, one needs to run
proprietary programs. Additionally, GitHub is proprietary software
server-side.

While I don't feel too strongly about which of the proposed
alternatives are chosen, since they are both free software, augmenting
Phabricator would probably be the best choice, since this avoids
adding another piece of infrastructure to use and administer.
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Re: idea: tool to suggest adding imports

2016-03-20 Thread Alexander Berntsen 
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On 19/03/16 20:08, Evan Laforge wrote:
> The catch is that it uses qualified imports, which makes
> everything easy.  If you're still interested, it's fix-imports on
> hackage.  There are lots of others too, but I haven't tried them.
Ah. I generally want explicit imports. But I'll have a look nonetheless.

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Re: idea: tool to suggest adding imports

2016-03-19 Thread Alexander Berntsen 
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On 18/03/16 23:51, Evan Laforge wrote:
> I did this about 5 or 6 years ago for vim, and I'm so used to it I 
> wouldn't want to live without it.
Is your plug-in free software? Do you have a link to it? It sounds
very useful to us vim users.

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Re: [Haskell-beginners] DOOM rewritten in the Haskell programming language.

2015-12-07 Thread Alexander Berntsen 
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David,

I think it would be more valuable to make a DOOM-like game than to
remake DOOM. Especially if you are going to aim for funding. The free
software community has had this problem for years, where we point to
remakes of old games as evidence to viability. It isn't. Nobody will
be swayed by Haskell DOOM. (Although I would, personally, think it
interesting.)

Good luck with your project.
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Re: simultaneous ghc versions

2015-08-03 Thread Alexander Berntsen 
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On 31/07/15 20:10, Evan Laforge wrote:
 Come to think of it, shouldn't ghc include this, instead of
 everyone creating their own shell scripts by hand?
I don't think so. This is usually done in the userland -- at least in
GNU+Linux distributions.

And as mentioned, cabal handles it already.
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Re: Hiding module *exports*

2014-10-27 Thread Alexander Berntsen 
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I like symmetry. +1 from me.

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Re: Hiding import behaviour

2014-10-17 Thread Alexander Berntsen 
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On 17/10/14 00:40, Austin Seipp wrote:
 Maybe there are some cases today where something like this could 
 happen, but this seems awfully, awfully implicit and hard-to-follow
 as a language feature.
 
 In general I think a program that has imports like this that may
 clash can be automated to make it easier to manage - but ultimately
 such imports tend to represent a complex relationship between a
 module and its dependencies - I'd prefer it if these were as clear
 as possible.
Very strong +1 from me. It seems awfully implicit and obscure for very
little benefit, and it may mean quite a bit of work for tool developers.
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Alexander
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