Re: GHC 7.8.3 release
+1 Stability is very important. Also, do we have an ETA for when we will have an improved infrastructure for automated builds and the associated tests. I think this would help a lot with stability and shorten the time to the next release. On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Simon Marlow marlo...@gmail.com wrote: On 27/05/14 09:06, Austin Seipp wrote: PPS: This might also impact the 7.10 schedule, but last Simon and I talked, we thought perhaps shooting for ICFP this time (and actually hitting it) was a good plan. So I'd estimate on that a 7.8.4 might happen a few months from now, after summer. FWIW, I think doing 7.10 in October is way too soon. Major releases create a large distributed effort for package maintainers and users, and there are other knock-on effects, so we shouldn't do them too often. A lot of our users want stability, while many of them also want progress, and 12 months between major releases is the compromise we settled on. The last major release slipped for various reasons, but I don't believe that means we should try to get back on track by having a short time between 7.8 and 7.10. 7.8 will be out of maintenance when it has only just made it into a platform release. Anyway, that's my opinion. Of course if everyone says they don't mind a 7.10 in October then I withdraw my objection :-) (as a data point, upgrading to 7.8 at work cost me three weeks, but we're probably a special case) Cheers, Simon ___ ghc-devs mailing list ghc-d...@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/ghc-devs ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: GHC 7.8.3 release
For me upgrading to 7.8 was very easy. The release slippage actually helped out with that. 7.8 had already been specified well enough and already had some active users for a long time. This made for a long window for package maintainers to update their packages to have 7.8 compatibility. Perhaps October is a good timeline to try to cut an initial alpha release that specifies the interface for package authors to compile against, but the actual release can wait until later. On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Simon Marlow marlo...@gmail.com wrote: On 27/05/14 09:06, Austin Seipp wrote: PPS: This might also impact the 7.10 schedule, but last Simon and I talked, we thought perhaps shooting for ICFP this time (and actually hitting it) was a good plan. So I'd estimate on that a 7.8.4 might happen a few months from now, after summer. FWIW, I think doing 7.10 in October is way too soon. Major releases create a large distributed effort for package maintainers and users, and there are other knock-on effects, so we shouldn't do them too often. A lot of our users want stability, while many of them also want progress, and 12 months between major releases is the compromise we settled on. The last major release slipped for various reasons, but I don't believe that means we should try to get back on track by having a short time between 7.8 and 7.10. 7.8 will be out of maintenance when it has only just made it into a platform release. Anyway, that's my opinion. Of course if everyone says they don't mind a 7.10 in October then I withdraw my objection :-) (as a data point, upgrading to 7.8 at work cost me three weeks, but we're probably a special case) Cheers, Simon ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: GHC 7.8.3 release
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/31/2014 12:28 PM, George Colpitts wrote: +1 Stability is very important. Also, do we have an ETA for when we will have an improved infrastructure for automated builds and the associated tests. I think this would help a lot with stability and shorten the time to the next release. On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Simon Marlow marlo...@gmail.com mailto:marlo...@gmail.com wrote: On 27/05/14 09:06, Austin Seipp wrote: PPS: This might also impact the 7.10 schedule, but last Simon and I talked, we thought perhaps shooting for ICFP this time (and actually hitting it) was a good plan. So I'd estimate on that a 7.8.4 might happen a few months from now, after summer. FWIW, I think doing 7.10 in October is way too soon. Major releases create a large distributed effort for package maintainers and users, and there are other knock-on effects, so we shouldn't do them too often. A lot of our users want stability, while many of them also want progress, and 12 months between major releases is the compromise we settled on. The last major release slipped for various reasons, but I don't believe that means we should try to get back on track by having a short time between 7.8 and 7.10. 7.8 will be out of maintenance when it has only just made it into a platform release. Anyway, that's my opinion. Of course if everyone says they don't mind a 7.10 in October then I withdraw my objection :-) (as a data point, upgrading to 7.8 at work cost me three weeks, but we're probably a special case) Cheers, Simon Hi George: There are continuous builds of GHC HEAD on several platforms and architectures: http://haskell.inf.elte.hu/builders/ There are still some bugs to work out there for sure (particularly mine on SmartOS), but a lot of progress has been made. The most critical gap is the lack of Windows and OS X builders since they are Tier 1 platforms for GHC. If you have Windows or OS X machines available please consider offering a builder: https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Builder Best, Alain -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEbBAEBAgAGBQJTikGBAAoJEP0rIXJNjNSA/KsH+I7mug5uqHDr5YzZJSPl0awS 1PudhQqnBLf8Op/IQuPR7lYZEsXNTUb+VU1vV0vEo8+nRAaueVlhffsXYe7YRRHF wQqA1WsmIfwwDsU2DkeVOhKMht9iB1eKC3vvsTEvZE8GJKvQZDTIeas5QtUki/i0 yuTPrRMZjf6IubsxeY90mlDCgpRMjRIWcRPm9fWj7c0wdzUNmMR0IPshMiXjZbbM US9hkoyuXUyYZrtn19vbPGNTss3gZJEqengyDNDyVNrEd4QXC8Us/dqbnbjrKPI3 8D9BbVTOyELJ44mFXmlcXT8DSfIYCAv/sS81sXNm4lQX3jhTOyx2hNa3jvqIrQ== =sZkd -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: GHC 7.8.3 release
On 27/05/14 09:06, Austin Seipp wrote: PPS: This might also impact the 7.10 schedule, but last Simon and I talked, we thought perhaps shooting for ICFP this time (and actually hitting it) was a good plan. So I'd estimate on that a 7.8.4 might happen a few months from now, after summer. FWIW, I think doing 7.10 in October is way too soon. Major releases create a large distributed effort for package maintainers and users, and there are other knock-on effects, so we shouldn't do them too often. A lot of our users want stability, while many of them also want progress, and 12 months between major releases is the compromise we settled on. The last major release slipped for various reasons, but I don't believe that means we should try to get back on track by having a short time between 7.8 and 7.10. 7.8 will be out of maintenance when it has only just made it into a platform release. Anyway, that's my opinion. Of course if everyone says they don't mind a 7.10 in October then I withdraw my objection :-) (as a data point, upgrading to 7.8 at work cost me three weeks, but we're probably a special case) Cheers, Simon ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
GHC 7.8.3 release
Hello all, After a long week, I've finally gotten a little time to reply to emails, and I mainly have one question I'd like to ask. First, please direct your attention to this: https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/query?status=closedstatus=mergestatus=patchmilestone=7.8.3group=resolutioncol=idcol=summarycol=ownercol=typecol=prioritycol=componentcol=versionorder=priority This is the 7.8.3 milestone, but it only considers things that are: - 1) Fixed - 2) Going to be merged - 3) Are a patch to be still merged. That is, it is a solid representation of the difference between 7.8.2 and the 7.8 branch tip. The question is: when should we do the release? There are several bugs there that seem quite problematic for users - #9045, #7097, #9001, #8768 and #9078 in particular. If these bugs are really problematic (and I sort of feel they are) then the release can happen soon. I can do it within a week from now, and we could punt more to a 7.8.4 release. I ask this because my time to dedicate to GHC is a bit thin right now, so you must help me decide what's important! So please let me know - just a general vote in favor of doing it within some X timeframe (even 'real soon' or 'a week would be great') would be nice. PS: I apologize for the lack of status updates and brief email - my time for GHC has been in very short order the past two weeks in particular, and I've finally just returned to a computer (not mine) for right now to ask this. PPS: This might also impact the 7.10 schedule, but last Simon and I talked, we thought perhaps shooting for ICFP this time (and actually hitting it) was a good plan. So I'd estimate on that a 7.8.4 might happen a few months from now, after summer. -- Regards, Austin Seipp, Haskell Consultant Well-Typed LLP, http://www.well-typed.com/ ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: GHC 7.8.3 release
Hi Austin, I ask this because my time to dedicate to GHC is a bit thin right now, so you must help me decide what's important! So please let me know - just a general vote in favor of doing it within some X timeframe (even 'real soon' or 'a week would be great') would be nice. Would you give a look at: http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/ghc-devs/2014-May/004990.html http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/ghc-devs/2014-May/004993.html yesod-bin cannot be compiled with the coming GHC 7.8.3 yet. I believe regression was introduced. --Kazu ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: GHC 7.8.3 release
I'm building the GHC-7.8 branch now, and will then kick off a Stackage build. That should give a good indication if there are regressions. On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Austin Seipp aus...@well-typed.comwrote: Hello all, After a long week, I've finally gotten a little time to reply to emails, and I mainly have one question I'd like to ask. First, please direct your attention to this: https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/query?status=closedstatus=mergestatus=patchmilestone=7.8.3group=resolutioncol=idcol=summarycol=ownercol=typecol=prioritycol=componentcol=versionorder=priority This is the 7.8.3 milestone, but it only considers things that are: - 1) Fixed - 2) Going to be merged - 3) Are a patch to be still merged. That is, it is a solid representation of the difference between 7.8.2 and the 7.8 branch tip. The question is: when should we do the release? There are several bugs there that seem quite problematic for users - #9045, #7097, #9001, #8768 and #9078 in particular. If these bugs are really problematic (and I sort of feel they are) then the release can happen soon. I can do it within a week from now, and we could punt more to a 7.8.4 release. I ask this because my time to dedicate to GHC is a bit thin right now, so you must help me decide what's important! So please let me know - just a general vote in favor of doing it within some X timeframe (even 'real soon' or 'a week would be great') would be nice. PS: I apologize for the lack of status updates and brief email - my time for GHC has been in very short order the past two weeks in particular, and I've finally just returned to a computer (not mine) for right now to ask this. PPS: This might also impact the 7.10 schedule, but last Simon and I talked, we thought perhaps shooting for ICFP this time (and actually hitting it) was a good plan. So I'd estimate on that a 7.8.4 might happen a few months from now, after summer. -- Regards, Austin Seipp, Haskell Consultant Well-Typed LLP, http://www.well-typed.com/ ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: GHC 7.8.3 release
I would say sooner. Here are still unmerged things that I think we could merge before (i.e. easy to merge): https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/9001 https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/9078 https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/8475 https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/8783 https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/9068 ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: GHC 7.8.3 release
I believe #9078 affects all EDSLs that use Andy Gill’s stable name method to implement observable sharing. It certainly crashes Accelerate. I would very much appreciate if 7.8.3 would be released in time to make it into the upcoming Haskell Platform. (If the platform would ship with 7.8.2., that would be a quite bad for all affected EDSL libraries.) Do we know the projected release date for the platform? Manuel PS: For Accelerate, the situation is actually rather awkward right now. Due to the changes re ambiguous signatures in GHC 7.8, Accelerate needs to introduce a breaking API change to compile with 7.8. However, we can’t really fully transition to 7.8 until #9078 is fixed. Austin Seipp aus...@well-typed.com: Hello all, After a long week, I've finally gotten a little time to reply to emails, and I mainly have one question I'd like to ask. First, please direct your attention to this: https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/query?status=closedstatus=mergestatus=patchmilestone=7.8.3group=resolutioncol=idcol=summarycol=ownercol=typecol=prioritycol=componentcol=versionorder=priority This is the 7.8.3 milestone, but it only considers things that are: - 1) Fixed - 2) Going to be merged - 3) Are a patch to be still merged. That is, it is a solid representation of the difference between 7.8.2 and the 7.8 branch tip. The question is: when should we do the release? There are several bugs there that seem quite problematic for users - #9045, #7097, #9001, #8768 and #9078 in particular. If these bugs are really problematic (and I sort of feel they are) then the release can happen soon. I can do it within a week from now, and we could punt more to a 7.8.4 release. I ask this because my time to dedicate to GHC is a bit thin right now, so you must help me decide what's important! So please let me know - just a general vote in favor of doing it within some X timeframe (even 'real soon' or 'a week would be great') would be nice. PS: I apologize for the lack of status updates and brief email - my time for GHC has been in very short order the past two weeks in particular, and I've finally just returned to a computer (not mine) for right now to ask this. PPS: This might also impact the 7.10 schedule, but last Simon and I talked, we thought perhaps shooting for ICFP this time (and actually hitting it) was a good plan. So I'd estimate on that a 7.8.4 might happen a few months from now, after summer. -- Regards, Austin Seipp, Haskell Consultant Well-Typed LLP, http://www.well-typed.com/ ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: GHC 7.8.3 release
Hi! It would be great if the patch I added on #9080 was put into 7.8.3 (well, I guess someone has to commit it to master first). Niklas 2014-05-27 10:06 GMT+02:00 Austin Seipp aus...@well-typed.com: Hello all, After a long week, I've finally gotten a little time to reply to emails, and I mainly have one question I'd like to ask. First, please direct your attention to this: https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/query?status=closedstatus=mergestatus=patchmilestone=7.8.3group=resolutioncol=idcol=summarycol=ownercol=typecol=prioritycol=componentcol=versionorder=priority This is the 7.8.3 milestone, but it only considers things that are: - 1) Fixed - 2) Going to be merged - 3) Are a patch to be still merged. That is, it is a solid representation of the difference between 7.8.2 and the 7.8 branch tip. The question is: when should we do the release? There are several bugs there that seem quite problematic for users - #9045, #7097, #9001, #8768 and #9078 in particular. If these bugs are really problematic (and I sort of feel they are) then the release can happen soon. I can do it within a week from now, and we could punt more to a 7.8.4 release. I ask this because my time to dedicate to GHC is a bit thin right now, so you must help me decide what's important! So please let me know - just a general vote in favor of doing it within some X timeframe (even 'real soon' or 'a week would be great') would be nice. PS: I apologize for the lack of status updates and brief email - my time for GHC has been in very short order the past two weeks in particular, and I've finally just returned to a computer (not mine) for right now to ask this. PPS: This might also impact the 7.10 schedule, but last Simon and I talked, we thought perhaps shooting for ICFP this time (and actually hitting it) was a good plan. So I'd estimate on that a 7.8.4 might happen a few months from now, after summer. -- Regards, Austin Seipp, Haskell Consultant Well-Typed LLP, http://www.well-typed.com/ ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
Re: GHC 7.8.3 release
Hi Niklas, Yes, that patch looks great, thank you. The only reason it wasn't included in the list earlier was that the status was set to 'new', not to 'patch!' I'm afraid this is perhaps the most critical aspect necessary for me to recognize such tickets. I have marked it as patch, and it can go into 7.8.3, yes. (Let it be known that, essentially, as time moves forward, the probability of Austin forgetting a patch that is NOT marked appropriately on trac rapidly, rapidly approaches one - if you have a patch, please double-check that super-important 'status' field please!) On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Niklas Larsson metanik...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! It would be great if the patch I added on #9080 was put into 7.8.3 (well, I guess someone has to commit it to master first). Niklas 2014-05-27 10:06 GMT+02:00 Austin Seipp aus...@well-typed.com: Hello all, After a long week, I've finally gotten a little time to reply to emails, and I mainly have one question I'd like to ask. First, please direct your attention to this: https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/query?status=closedstatus=mergestatus=patchmilestone=7.8.3group=resolutioncol=idcol=summarycol=ownercol=typecol=prioritycol=componentcol=versionorder=priority This is the 7.8.3 milestone, but it only considers things that are: - 1) Fixed - 2) Going to be merged - 3) Are a patch to be still merged. That is, it is a solid representation of the difference between 7.8.2 and the 7.8 branch tip. The question is: when should we do the release? There are several bugs there that seem quite problematic for users - #9045, #7097, #9001, #8768 and #9078 in particular. If these bugs are really problematic (and I sort of feel they are) then the release can happen soon. I can do it within a week from now, and we could punt more to a 7.8.4 release. I ask this because my time to dedicate to GHC is a bit thin right now, so you must help me decide what's important! So please let me know - just a general vote in favor of doing it within some X timeframe (even 'real soon' or 'a week would be great') would be nice. PS: I apologize for the lack of status updates and brief email - my time for GHC has been in very short order the past two weeks in particular, and I've finally just returned to a computer (not mine) for right now to ask this. PPS: This might also impact the 7.10 schedule, but last Simon and I talked, we thought perhaps shooting for ICFP this time (and actually hitting it) was a good plan. So I'd estimate on that a 7.8.4 might happen a few months from now, after summer. -- Regards, Austin Seipp, Haskell Consultant Well-Typed LLP, http://www.well-typed.com/ ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users -- Regards, Austin Seipp, Haskell Consultant Well-Typed LLP, http://www.well-typed.com/ ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users
