Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-16 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 12/16/12 12:52 AM, James Starlight wrote: Justin, It's not quite understood for me why such errors occurs in the atoms of standard residues when I've bounded them to the C term of my chromophore if the geometry of the adjacent residues might not be changed. So it likely that some errors

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-16 Thread James Starlight
Justin, thanks again for explanation. So the first 5 atoms in cmap.it correspond to the starting sequence of the backbone atoms of the amino acid doesnt it ? So what is the 24 24 numbers at the end of each cmap line ? E.g in the C NH1 CT1 C NC=O 1 24 24\ the first C B CA C N atoms would be

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-16 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 12/16/12 10:34 AM, James Starlight wrote: Justin, thanks again for explanation. So the first 5 atoms in cmap.it correspond to the starting sequence of the backbone atoms of the amino acid doesnt it ? So what is the 24 24 numbers at the end of each cmap line ? Probably something related

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-15 Thread James Starlight
The last problem with which I've forced during preparation of my chromophore is when I've defined bond between chromophore and the next residue C+N That produce 15 addition errors about unknown UB and dihedral types in the atoms of the next residue (not in the chromophore) where all UB and

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-15 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 12/14/12 11:42 PM, James Starlight wrote: The topology with the below params produced that 118 errors during grompp processings ( after pdb2gmx processing the geoetry of the mollecule was correct ) [CRN] [ atoms ] CG2 CA-0.0900 0 CD1 CA-0.0800 1 CD2 CA-0.0800 2 CE1 CA

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-15 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 12/15/12 1:34 PM, James Starlight wrote: The last problem with which I've forced during preparation of my chromophore is when I've defined bond between chromophore and the next residue C+N That produce 15 addition errors about unknown UB and dihedral types in the atoms of the next

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-15 Thread James Starlight
So as I understood it've happened because the conformation of the adjacent residue is differ when that residue bounded to the chromophore ( in comparison to the residue in unbound capped form). But in term of the backbone geometry of C and N-terms chromophore is like a typical amino acid. Also

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-15 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 12/15/12 2:18 PM, James Starlight wrote: So as I understood it've happened because the conformation of the adjacent residue is differ when that residue bounded to the chromophore ( in comparison to the residue in unbound capped form). Conformation is irrelevant; atom types are all that

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-15 Thread James Starlight
Justin, It's not quite understood for me why such errors occurs in the atoms of standard residues when I've bounded them to the C term of my chromophore if the geometry of the adjacent residues might not be changed. So it likely that some errors occur during parametrization of the molecule which

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-14 Thread James Starlight
Today I've tried to rename atoms from Swiss's params specific names to the standard charmm names and obtain the set of the same errors No default Improper Dih. types No default U-B types No default Bond types Its strange to me because chromophore itself consist of only one uncommon bond (in

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-14 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 12/14/12 2:28 PM, James Starlight wrote: Today I've tried to rename atoms from Swiss's params specific names to the standard charmm names and obtain the set of the same errors No default Improper Dih. types No default U-B types No default Bond types Its strange to me because chromophore

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-14 Thread James Starlight
Justin, in the case of the system with the atom types assigned from that paper the grompp produced above 118 errors of non standard bond, angle as well as dihedral types ;o So it' seems that some 118 addition terms must be added to the ffbonded.itp to the existing charmm parameters( it's uncommon

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-14 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 12/14/12 3:20 PM, James Starlight wrote: Justin, in the case of the system with the atom types assigned from that paper the grompp produced above 118 errors of non standard bond, angle as well as dihedral types ;o So it' seems that some 118 addition terms must be added to the ffbonded.itp

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-14 Thread James Starlight
The topology with the below params produced that 118 errors during grompp processings ( after pdb2gmx processing the geoetry of the mollecule was correct ) [CRN] [ atoms ] CG2 CA-0.0900 0 CD1 CA-0.0800 1 CD2 CA-0.0800 2 CE1 CA-0.2800 3 CE2 CA-0.2800 4 CZ CA 0.4500

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-12 Thread James Starlight
Also I've made the same parameters with the capped chromophore (NH2 on the C-term (instead of OH) and ACE on the N term (instead of H). When I've defined that chromophore as the Protein I've obtained an error Fatal error: Atom OXT in residue CRO 66 was not found in rtp entry CRO with 38 atoms

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-12 Thread James Starlight
Oh that problem was imperically resolved by renamind O2 ( which are not terminal but pdb2gmx define them as a terminal ) atom to O3 The only question about my chromophore is the definition of the IMPROPER groups. As I've posted above my initial model was CAPPED from C and N termi by NH2 and Ace.

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-12 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 12/12/12 12:37 AM, James Starlight wrote: That the mollecule that I made [ CRO ] [ atoms ] CG2 CB 0.0284 0 CD1 CB -0.1500 1 CD2 CB -0.1500 2 CE1 CB -0.1500 3 CE2 CB -0.1500 4 CZCB 0.0825 5 HLH 0.3600 39 NRNH1-0.9900 6 CA1 CR

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-12 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 12/12/12 6:54 AM, James Starlight wrote: Oh that problem was imperically resolved by renamind O2 ( which are not terminal but pdb2gmx define them as a terminal ) atom to O3 The only question about my chromophore is the definition of the IMPROPER groups. As I've posted above my initial

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-12 Thread James Starlight
Justin, The IMPROPERS consisted of atom names (its correct as I understood). The bond tern I've changed. The resulted RTP [CRO] [ atoms ] CG2 CB 0.0284 0 CD1 CB-0.1500 1 CD2 CB-0.1500 2 CE1 CB-0.1500 3 CE2 CB-0.1500 4 CZ CB 0.0825 5 NNC=O -0.7301 6 CA1 CR

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-12 Thread James Starlight
New problem during processing of y structure via GROMPP ERROR 217 [file topol.top, line 34183]: No default Improper Dih. types ERROR 218 [file topol.top, line 34184]: No default Improper Dih. types ERROR 219 [file topol.top, line 34185]: No default Improper Dih. types ERROR 220 [file

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-12 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 12/12/12 11:49 AM, James Starlight wrote: New problem during processing of y structure via GROMPP ERROR 217 [file topol.top, line 34183]: No default Improper Dih. types ERROR 218 [file topol.top, line 34184]: No default Improper Dih. types ERROR 219 [file topol.top, line 34185]:

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-12 Thread James Starlight
Justin, That errors was strange to me because I've already used Swiss's ITP files for diffusional ligands including them in the topol.top of my protein and there were no such errors about non-standart types in any terms. It seems that some additions to the ffbonded.itp also required besides the

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-12 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 12/12/12 3:11 PM, James Starlight wrote: Justin, That errors was strange to me because I've already used Swiss's ITP files for diffusional ligands including them in the topol.top of my protein and there were no such errors about non-standart types in any terms. It seems that some additions

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-11 Thread James Starlight
Peter, thanks for explanations! Could you tell me is it possible to convert CGenFF output for hetatomic group to the RTP (not an itp ) gromac's data ? I want to simulate in Gromacs ( in charmm 27 ff) qm\mm GFP protein which is consist of HETTATOMIC chromophore covently bonded to the

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-11 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 12/11/12 6:04 AM, James Starlight wrote: Peter, thanks for explanations! Could you tell me is it possible to convert CGenFF output for hetatomic group to the RTP (not an itp ) gromac's data ? I want to simulate in Gromacs ( in charmm 27 ff) qm\mm GFP protein which is consist of

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-11 Thread James Starlight
Today I've made parametrization of the chromophore group by means of Swiss param and integrated that topology into charmm27 ff. The only problem that I have is with the N-term N atom of the chromophore. It's likely that I made mistake to parametrize it into full protonated form (NH2). When I've

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-11 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 12/11/12 4:13 PM, James Starlight wrote: Today I've made parametrization of the chromophore group by means of Swiss param and integrated that topology into charmm27 ff. The only problem that I have is with the N-term N atom of the chromophore. It's likely that I made mistake to parametrize

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-11 Thread James Starlight
That the mollecule that I made [ CRO ] [ atoms ] CG2 CB 0.0284 0 CD1 CB -0.1500 1 CD2 CB -0.1500 2 CE1 CB -0.1500 3 CE2 CB -0.1500 4 CZCB 0.0825 5 HLH 0.3600 39 NRNH1-0.9900 6 CA1 CR 0.3310 7 CB1 CR 0.2800 8 CG1 CR

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-08 Thread James Starlight
Today I've performed test simulation of the protein-cAMP complex with the charmm27 force field and obtain good stable system. I've compared polar contacts of my complex ( ligand have been done with SwissParam) with the X-ray structure of that protein solved with the same complex and obtained

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-08 Thread Peter C. Lai
On 2012-12-08 03:20:54AM -0800, James Starlight wrote: 1- on what assumptions that blocks were generated ? This appears to be a swissparm-specific question. I don't know what algorithms it uses to match what are essentially pharmacophores in the new molecule with the common individual blocks it

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-07 Thread James Starlight
Today I've tried to simulate complexes of my protein with the cyclic GMP parametrized by ATB's. (below the recent parametrisation for charges of that molecule done by am1 algorithm) [ moleculetype ] ; Name nrexcl _N4P 3 [ atoms ] ; nr type resnr resid atom cgnr chargemass

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-07 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 12/7/12 10:41 AM, James Starlight wrote: Today I've tried to simulate complexes of my protein with the cyclic GMP parametrized by ATB's. (below the recent parametrisation for charges of that molecule done by am1 algorithm) [ moleculetype ] ; Name nrexcl _N4P 3 [ atoms ] ; nr type

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-07 Thread James Starlight
Justin, ligand-only simulation in vacuum have been finished with the same errors :) Step 19200, time 38.4 (ps) LINCS WARNING relative constraint deviation after LINCS: rms 0.025443, max 0.140660 (between atoms 1 and 3) bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees: atom 1 atom 2 angle previous,

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-07 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 12/7/12 11:42 AM, James Starlight wrote: Justin, ligand-only simulation in vacuum have been finished with the same errors :) Step 19200, time 38.4 (ps) LINCS WARNING relative constraint deviation after LINCS: rms 0.025443, max 0.140660 (between atoms 1 and 3) bonds that rotated more than

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-07 Thread James Starlight
Justin, following to your advise I've tried to use charmm 27 ff for simulation of my protein-cGMP complex ( ligand was parametrized by Swiss Param server). Could you provide me with the cut-offs for vdw as well as electrostatics suitable for simulation in charmm27 and 36 force fields? Does

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-07 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 12/7/12 1:19 PM, James Starlight wrote: Justin, following to your advise I've tried to use charmm 27 ff for simulation of my protein-cGMP complex ( ligand was parametrized by Swiss Param server). Could you provide me with the cut-offs for vdw as well as electrostatics suitable for

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-07 Thread James Starlight
Justin, with that charmm27 cutoffs (rlist=1.2 rlistlong=1.4 rcoulomb=1.2 rvdw=1.2 rvdw_switch=0.8 and vdwtype=switch) I've obtain 2 notes from grompp NOTE 1 [file ./mdps/em.mdp]: For energy conservation with switch/shift potentials, rlist should be 0.1 to 0.3 nm larger than rvdw. NOTE 2

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-07 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 12/7/12 2:21 PM, James Starlight wrote: Justin, with that charmm27 cutoffs (rlist=1.2 rlistlong=1.4 rcoulomb=1.2 rvdw=1.2 rvdw_switch=0.8 and vdwtype=switch) I've obtain 2 notes from grompp NOTE 1 [file ./mdps/em.mdp]: For energy conservation with switch/shift potentials, rlist should

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-06 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 12/6/12 2:39 AM, James Starlight wrote: Justin, Could you provide me with the example of the server where I could obtain Gromac's itp topologies for the charmm ff? I know many such servers which could be useful only for preparation systems for NAMD program. Google CHARMM ligand topology

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-06 Thread James Starlight
Justin, Thanks again for explanation. It's interesting that above parametrization made by ATB have cased the system to crash within first ps of modeling ;) (On the contrarythe system with the ligand made by prodrg have been very stable during 100ns). I ve tried to re-parametrized my molecule by

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-05 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 12/5/12 12:57 PM, James Starlight wrote: Dear Gromacs Users! In one of my study I investigate interactions of the cyclic nucleotides (cGMP and cAMP) with some cyclic-nucleotide-binding proteins. I'm modelling that complexes in the gromos 56a7 ff with the parameters for ligands made by

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-05 Thread James Starlight
Justin, Indeed the force field is the 54a7 ( modiffied version of the 54a6). The main reason of using GROMOS ff in that case was the topology of ligands which could be easily created by means of prodrg or ATB. On other hand I've never worked with the protein-ligand complexes in charmm ff for

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-05 Thread Justin Lemkul
On 12/5/12 1:39 PM, James Starlight wrote: Justin, Indeed the force field is the 54a7 ( modiffied version of the 54a6). The main reason of using GROMOS ff in that case was the topology of ligands which could be easily created by means of prodrg or ATB. On other hand I've never worked with

Re: [gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

2012-12-05 Thread James Starlight
Justin, Could you provide me with the example of the server where I could obtain Gromac's itp topologies for the charmm ff? I know many such servers which could be useful only for preparation systems for NAMD program. By the way recently I've made parametrization of my cGMP molecule by means of