[gmx-users] Same starting structure but different trajectories

2010-02-17 Thread Emanuel Peter
Dear Gromacs users, At the moment I have some doubt on my run input .mdp file. I simulated a protein structure in water and I used parameters as following in my mdp file: title= MD simulation of xxx ;Preprocessor cpp = /lib/cpp ;Directories to include in the

Re: [gmx-users] Same starting structure but different trajectories

2010-02-17 Thread Tsjerk Wassenaar
Hi Emanuel, Anything small can cause trajectories to diverge, it's chaos. The machine on which is run can make the difference. This is also covered in the list archives. ;Temperature coupling tcoupl           = nose-hoover tc-grps          = protein NA+ CFP SOL tau_t             = 0.1  0.1

Re: [gmx-users] Same starting structure but different trajectories

2010-02-17 Thread Emanuel Peter
Hi Tsjerk, I ran my job on the same machine and made exactly the same inputstructure and inputfile. What does chaos mean in your opinion? A computer should do exactly the same every time you start with the same starting conditions on the same machine. I have to couple my ligand seperately

Re: [gmx-users] Same starting structure but different trajectories

2010-02-17 Thread Erik Marklund
Well, unfortunately it doesn't. Numerical differences are introduced here and there for different resasons. On some machines the registers have more bits than you'd normally fit into a float or double, and hence give higher precision. If those registers are pushed to the stack, then the

Re: [gmx-users] pbc whole

2010-02-17 Thread Carla Jamous
Hi Justin, I'm still trying to figure out what happened with my ligand. Meanwhile, I have another question: I can't figure out how to calculate an average structure in gromacs. And does g_rmsf calculate the average structure automatically? Thanks again Carla On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 5:44 PM,

Re: [gmx-users] Same starting structure but different trajectories

2010-02-17 Thread Emanuel Peter
Dear Erik, I still have some trouble to understand. Could you give me a more detailed answer why I get two different trajectories on the same machine? It should have the same registers and numerical chaos should be exactly the same in that case. Bests, Emanuel Erik Marklund 02/17/10 10:05

Re: [gmx-users] pbc whole

2010-02-17 Thread Tsjerk Wassenaar
Hi Carla, Justin's recipe should've worked. As he suggested, maybe the ligand is not with the protein. You can check by multiplying your system with genconf: genconf -f in.pdb -o out.pdb -nbox 2 2 2 If the ligand is with the protein, one copy will be located in one of the copies of the protein.

Re: [gmx-users] Same starting structure but different trajectories

2010-02-17 Thread Emanuel Peter
Dear Gromacs users, I have another question. Does that mean that I cannot compare my simulations if I have performed just 2 different jobs? How many runs should I then start to compare my chaotic trajectories? Thanks in advance. Bests, Emanuel Emanuel Peter 02/17/10 10:19 AM Dear Erik,

Re: [gmx-users] Same starting structure but different trajectories

2010-02-17 Thread Erik Marklund
Now that depends entirely on what you're interested in. The thermodynamics of your different trajectories should not differ much, which is one of the reasons that the chaotic nature of MD ios not much of a problem in most cases. Erik Emanuel Peter skrev: Dear Gromacs users, I have another

Re: [gmx-users] Same starting structure but different trajectories

2010-02-17 Thread Erik Marklund
The times when registers are pushed to the stack may happen at different points in the calculations in different runs, so the bonus accuracy may be lost at different times. As I mentioned, a hardware interrupt may (will) force such an event, and this may be due to some external trigger, such

Re: [gmx-users] Same starting structure but different trajectories

2010-02-17 Thread Mark Abraham
- Original Message - From: Emanuel Peter emanuel.pe...@chemie.uni-regensburg.de Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 20:46 Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Same starting structure but different trajectories To: gmx-users@gromacs.org Dear Gromacs users, I have another question. Does that

RE: [gmx-users] Power6 @ 4.7 Ghz vs Xeon E5472 @ 3.00GHz

2010-02-17 Thread Berk Hess
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 03:12:57 +1100 From: mark.abra...@anu.edu.au To: gmx-users@gromacs.org Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Power6 @ 4.7 Ghz vs Xeon E5472 @ 3.00GHz On 17/02/10 03:06, pim schravendijk wrote: Dear Gromacs users, I have been installing Gromacs on a Power6 4.7 GHz with

RE: [gmx-users] Same starting structure but different trajectories

2010-02-17 Thread Berk Hess
Hi, Gromacs, including the MPI version, is completely deterministic, except for, if I recall correctly, two algorithms. One is PME with fftw as the FFT library. FFTW does timings of different algorithms and uses the fastest one, the results will depend on the exact load of the machine during

RE: [gmx-users] Power6 @ 4.7 Ghz vs Xeon E5472 @ 3.00GHz

2010-02-17 Thread Berk Hess
Ah, I noticed just now that the Xeon model is in the subject line. So it is not a Nehalem Xeon. Then the difference is somewhat larger than I expected. Maybe using fortran could help a bit. Berk From: g...@hotmail.com To: gmx-users@gromacs.org Subject: RE: [gmx-users] Power6 @ 4.7 Ghz vs Xeon

Re: [gmx-users] pbc whole

2010-02-17 Thread Carla Jamous
Thank you Tsjerk, but one more question: if I do the following: g_rmsf -f a.xtc -s b.tpr -o rmsf.xvg -ox average.pdb -n c.ndx does gromacs claculate the rmsf after fitting to b.tpr or to average.pdb? if I want it to calculatefluctuations between the position of particle i and the time-averaged

[gmx-users] rmax and amax options of g_densmap

2010-02-17 Thread Rebeca García Fandiño
Hi, I would like to calculate the density maps for the water inside a pore that has a cilindrical shape, but not the water outside it, that is also present in the box. I don´t understand vey well the options of g_densmap -amax and -rmax. With -amax I define the maximun axial distance from the

[gmx-users] user defined potential

2010-02-17 Thread Zuzana Benkova
Dear GROMACS users,if I want to use table defined potential for nonbonded interactions I have to do so for all pairs between different grops or is there a possibility to specify just one kind lets say BH potential by tables and to use wdvtype=cut-off for LJ interactions. It seems to me that this