[gmx-users] block averaging in g_energy vs. g_analyze

2012-10-03 Thread Hanne Antila
Dear gurus,

I'm trying to calculate some statistics for the coulomb-sr and
coulomb-recip energies in my system (200 ns simulation). I Suppose the
underlying algorithms in g_energy and g_analyze for making the error
estimate are pretty much the same, but in g_energy the sampling is
more accurate which can cause some differences. However, I'm confused
about two points

1. What can be the cause of nan as g_energy output rmsd when the mean
is ok (and also g_analyze gives ok rmsd)?

2. g_analyze gives me an error regarding set 1. I think this error
implies not-long-enough sampling (longer correlation than run time),
but can there be another cause for this? In this case the correlation
would be very, very long.

I have enclosed the output from g_energy and g_analyze.

All help will be appreciated!

Yours,

Hanne


g_energy:

the last energy frame read 10002 time 20.000

Statistics over 99984548 steps [ 0. through 20. ps ], 2 data sets
All statistics are over 1686 points

Energy  Average   Err.Est.   RMSD  Tot-Drift
---
Coulomb (SR) -1.98611e+06 27nan133.058  (kJ/mol)
Coul. recip.-470752 5.7nan
-18.7256  (kJ/mol)

g_analyze:

Read 2 sets of 10003 points, dt = 19.996

  std. dev.relative deviation of
   standard   -   cumulants from those of
set  average   deviation  sqrt(n-1)   a Gaussian distribition
  cum. 3   cum. 4
SS1  -1.986081e+06   2.158308e+03   2.158093e+01   0.0030.006
SS2  -4.707511e+05   9.907673e+01   9.906682e-01   0.0050.014

a fitted parameter is negative
invalid fit:  e.e. 22.6293  a 1.04171  tau1 14.54  tau2 99.5578
Will fix tau2 at the total time: 20
Set   1:  err.est. 76.0536  a 0.999443  tau1 12.7992  tau2 20
Set   2:  err.est. 6.73835  a 0.926159  tau1 13.7527  tau2 6092.31

gcq#135: Check Your Input (D. Van Der Spoel)
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[gmx-users] Regarding append the run

2012-10-03 Thread naga sundar
Dear friends

  Unfortunately my MD run got stopped. While i tried to append
the run with command line

 mdrun -s fws_md.tpr -cp state.cpt -append,  its not get
appending, its again get restart.

   What should be the problem.I need to append my run.



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Re: [gmx-users] xmgrace graphs

2012-10-03 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 10/3/12 12:06 AM, naga sundar wrote:

Dear Pramod

  use the command

  xmgrace  -nxy file1.xvg  file2.xvg

  Instead of file1 and file2 use ur file name.



Distance plots produced by g_dist have four data sets (distance and x,y,z 
components) so plotting in this way can be quite messy.  Leave out the -nxy if 
you want to only plot the total distance and not the remaining (x,y,z) components.


-Justin


On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:49 PM, ram bio rmbio...@gmail.com wrote:


Dear Gromacs users,

I am trying to find inter atomic distances between ligand atoms and
protein residues using Gromacs commands and could generate individual
xvg files, but could not figure out how to merge or show all the xvg
files in one graph using xmgrace.

Cold you please suggest?

Thanks and Regards,

Pramod
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Re: [gmx-users] Density measurment

2012-10-03 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 10/3/12 12:22 AM, rama david wrote:

Thank you Justin for your reply ,

I tried g_density again after your reply. But I found that
it give density with respect to box dimension and not to time.



I suggested before that you could perhaps advantageously using the -b and -e 
flags to achieve something similar.  You cannot get density over time per region 
of the box automatically.  That would be some sort of 3-D graph since there are 
two quantities effectively being analyzed.



g_densmap have xpm output and no the xvg  ( I need density or no of water
molecule present in between two peptides  with respect to the time )..



The colorized plot from g_densmap can tell you quite a lot, in my opinion.

What about g_rdf?  Integrating an RDF plot will tell you how many solute 
molecules are present in a particular region of space.  Otherwise, you can also 
use g_select to determine how many water molecules are located between your 
peptides using simple geometric criteria.  Look for examples in the archive; 
people have done this before.


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Re: [gmx-users] Regarding append the run

2012-10-03 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 10/3/12 6:10 AM, naga sundar wrote:

Dear friends

   Unfortunately my MD run got stopped. While i tried to append
the run with command line

  mdrun -s fws_md.tpr -cp state.cpt -append,  its not get
appending, its again get restart.



-cp is not a valid option.  What you want is -cpi in your command line.

-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] tyrosyl radical force field

2012-10-03 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 10/3/12 6:00 AM, tarak karmakar wrote:

Dear All,

Is it possible to deal a protein with tyrosyl radical in Molecular
Dynamics Simulation ?? If possible can you please provide me the
reference or literature where I can find the force field parameters
for tyrosyl radical ?



Molecular mechanics force fields do not deal explicitly with electrons, so don't 
expect anything particularly interesting to happen with a so-called radical 
tyrosine unless you're using QM methods.  You could perhaps parameterize a 
deprotonated tyrosine residue that, as input to QM software, has the number of 
electrons in the radical species.  You may then have to come up with new atom 
types depending upon whether or not the LJ parameters (especially for the 
phenolic O) are satisfactory.


-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] Coordinate file for lipid bilayer

2012-10-03 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 10/3/12 1:59 AM, James Starlight wrote:

Justin,

I've told about lower lipid density at the left and right edges of the
new system ( see new pic bellow with marked regions).

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/10/dppc.png/

I've started with system consisted of 118 lipids and 6000 water in dims 6x6x10

I've created new box with the desired sizes for my system as well as
centered it in it. Finally I've resized it via
genbox -cp prot_in_lipids_old.gro -cs dppc128_whole.gro -box 8.04542
8.04542  10.19156


As the result I've obtain syste of 128 lipids and 13000 water with dims 8x8x10

I have the same system with the popc lipids with the same dims where
there are 200 lipids

Why only 10 lipids were added after resizing ? How I could increase
this number of added lipids ( expesially in regions with lower lipid
density- see pic) ?



genbox decides whether or not to put molecules in the box if they can be added 
intact; anything sticking out of the box is removed.  Since water molecules are 
small, this is easy to do.  Since a lipid molecule is large, it is not so easy. 
 The hydrocarbon tails are very flexible and thus may have configurations 
leading them to stick out of the box, so genbox won't add them.  You will likely 
have to gradually increase the box dimensions in x and y to allow for more 
lipids to be added, striking a balance between the (much larger) number of water 
molecules and number of lipids added.


-Justin

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[gmx-users] Re: The largest charge group contains 1000 atoms

2012-10-03 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 10/3/12 1:40 AM, Ashok Kumar Das wrote:

Dear Dr. Justin A. Lemkul,

I am Dr. Ashok Kumar Das from IHPC, Singapore.
I am a new GROMACS learner.

The system I wish to simulate contains 125 polymer
chains, each chain containing 8 beads (CH3 and CH2 groups).
These beads do not have any charge on them.
I mention charge = 0.0 in the *.gro file.



There are no charges in .gro files.  If you have manipulated the .gro file by 
adding new information, you will break its format.



In the *.gro file, the chains are arranged sequentially,
making a total of 1000 atoms. I use atom names as
'CH3' and 'CH2', with zero charge.

However, on running 'grompp' to make the *.tpr file,
I get the error message:

The largest charge group contains 1000 atoms.
The maximum is 32.

Kindly guide us how to correct the problem.



I think the error message speaks for itself.  You have every atom of your system 
in a single charge group.  You don't have any charges on the atoms, but the size 
of the charge group will have negative implications for neighbor searching. 
Consult the manual about what a charge group is and how it is used.  Normal 
charge groups are between 1-4 atoms in size, depending on the nature of the group.


-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] Regarding append the run

2012-10-03 Thread naga sundar
Thanks justin got it...


On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:10 AM, Justin Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu wrote:



 On 10/3/12 6:10 AM, naga sundar wrote:

 Dear friends

Unfortunately my MD run got stopped. While i tried to
 append
 the run with command line

   mdrun -s fws_md.tpr -cp state.cpt -append,  its not get
 appending, its again get restart.


 -cp is not a valid option.  What you want is -cpi in your command line.

 -Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] tyrosyl radical force field

2012-10-03 Thread tarak karmakar
Thanks Justin,
Actually if I would remove the proton from the tyrosine -OH and add
the corresponding charge of the Hydrogen to the phenolic oxygen to
keep the residue neutral then wouldn't it be convenient to think as if
it's a radical ?

On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Justin Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu wrote:


 On 10/3/12 6:00 AM, tarak karmakar wrote:

 Dear All,

 Is it possible to deal a protein with tyrosyl radical in Molecular
 Dynamics Simulation ?? If possible can you please provide me the
 reference or literature where I can find the force field parameters
 for tyrosyl radical ?


 Molecular mechanics force fields do not deal explicitly with electrons, so
 don't expect anything particularly interesting to happen with a so-called
 radical tyrosine unless you're using QM methods.  You could perhaps
 parameterize a deprotonated tyrosine residue that, as input to QM software,
 has the number of electrons in the radical species.  You may then have to
 come up with new atom types depending upon whether or not the LJ parameters
 (especially for the phenolic O) are satisfactory.

 -Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] tyrosyl radical force field

2012-10-03 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 10/3/12 7:49 AM, tarak karmakar wrote:

Thanks Justin,
Actually if I would remove the proton from the tyrosine -OH and add
the corresponding charge of the Hydrogen to the phenolic oxygen to
keep the residue neutral then wouldn't it be convenient to think as if
it's a radical ?



That doesn't sound legitimate to me at all.  A radical species is electronically 
very different.


-Justin


On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Justin Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu wrote:



On 10/3/12 6:00 AM, tarak karmakar wrote:


Dear All,

Is it possible to deal a protein with tyrosyl radical in Molecular
Dynamics Simulation ?? If possible can you please provide me the
reference or literature where I can find the force field parameters
for tyrosyl radical ?



Molecular mechanics force fields do not deal explicitly with electrons, so
don't expect anything particularly interesting to happen with a so-called
radical tyrosine unless you're using QM methods.  You could perhaps
parameterize a deprotonated tyrosine residue that, as input to QM software,
has the number of electrons in the radical species.  You may then have to
come up with new atom types depending upon whether or not the LJ parameters
(especially for the phenolic O) are satisfactory.

-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] tyrosyl radical force field

2012-10-03 Thread Tsjerk Wassenaar
It's a radical approach, for certain! But do mind that the tyrosyl
side chain is a conjugated system, so the charge goes all over the
place, and you have to do (proper) QM calculations to see where it
ends up. Radical approaches are not suitable for radical parameters :p

Tsjerk

On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Justin Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu wrote:


 On 10/3/12 7:49 AM, tarak karmakar wrote:

 Thanks Justin,
 Actually if I would remove the proton from the tyrosine -OH and add
 the corresponding charge of the Hydrogen to the phenolic oxygen to
 keep the residue neutral then wouldn't it be convenient to think as if
 it's a radical ?


 That doesn't sound legitimate to me at all.  A radical species is
 electronically very different.

 -Justin


 On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Justin Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu wrote:



 On 10/3/12 6:00 AM, tarak karmakar wrote:


 Dear All,

 Is it possible to deal a protein with tyrosyl radical in Molecular
 Dynamics Simulation ?? If possible can you please provide me the
 reference or literature where I can find the force field parameters
 for tyrosyl radical ?


 Molecular mechanics force fields do not deal explicitly with electrons,
 so
 don't expect anything particularly interesting to happen with a so-called
 radical tyrosine unless you're using QM methods.  You could perhaps
 parameterize a deprotonated tyrosine residue that, as input to QM
 software,
 has the number of electrons in the radical species.  You may then have to
 come up with new atom types depending upon whether or not the LJ
 parameters
 (especially for the phenolic O) are satisfactory.

 -Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] Coordinate file for lipid bilayer

2012-10-03 Thread James Starlight
Justin,

Might the modifications of the vdwradii.dat be suitable for such
system expanding or (on other hand) reduction (as in the below picture
are shown). In the lattter case I defined new box dimensions (smaller
than initial box dims) and would like to remove all side water-lipids
layer which are beyond new pbc dimensions)?

http://imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=donel=img138/5497/reduction.png

James

2012/10/3, Justin Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu:


 On 10/3/12 1:59 AM, James Starlight wrote:
 Justin,

 I've told about lower lipid density at the left and right edges of the
 new system ( see new pic bellow with marked regions).

 http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/10/dppc.png/

 I've started with system consisted of 118 lipids and 6000 water in dims
 6x6x10

 I've created new box with the desired sizes for my system as well as
 centered it in it. Finally I've resized it via
 genbox -cp prot_in_lipids_old.gro -cs dppc128_whole.gro -box 8.04542
 8.04542  10.19156


 As the result I've obtain syste of 128 lipids and 13000 water with dims
 8x8x10

 I have the same system with the popc lipids with the same dims where
 there are 200 lipids

 Why only 10 lipids were added after resizing ? How I could increase
 this number of added lipids ( expesially in regions with lower lipid
 density- see pic) ?


 genbox decides whether or not to put molecules in the box if they can be
 added
 intact; anything sticking out of the box is removed.  Since water molecules
 are
 small, this is easy to do.  Since a lipid molecule is large, it is not so
 easy.
   The hydrocarbon tails are very flexible and thus may have configurations
 leading them to stick out of the box, so genbox won't add them.  You will
 likely
 have to gradually increase the box dimensions in x and y to allow for more
 lipids to be added, striking a balance between the (much larger) number of
 water
 molecules and number of lipids added.

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Re: [gmx-users] Coordinate file for lipid bilayer

2012-10-03 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 10/3/12 8:59 AM, James Starlight wrote:

Justin,

Might the modifications of the vdwradii.dat be suitable for such
system expanding or (on other hand) reduction (as in the below picture
are shown). In the lattter case I defined new box dimensions (smaller
than initial box dims) and would like to remove all side water-lipids
layer which are beyond new pbc dimensions)?

http://imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=donel=img138/5497/reduction.png



I don't know if that will have much of an effect or not.  The values in 
vdwradii.dat are used to determine if there is atomic overlap with coordinates 
being added (solvent) to the solute configuration.


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Re: [gmx-users] tyrosyl radical force field

2012-10-03 Thread tarak karmakar
Thanks Tsjerk,
In my system, I need to model one of the TYR side chains in radical
form. Now while doing that I need to get proper charges as you said.
According I have calculated the ESP charges in Gaussian for the TYR
radical [ unprotonated,neutral, terminals are capped with -NMe and
-COCH3] . Now can I take these charges to simulate the entire protein?

Can you please suggest me a proper protocol and some ways to get
proper charges (RESP e'm trying) to deal with this problem?
Thanks

On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Tsjerk Wassenaar tsje...@gmail.com wrote:
 It's a radical approach, for certain! But do mind that the tyrosyl
 side chain is a conjugated system, so the charge goes all over the
 place, and you have to do (proper) QM calculations to see where it
 ends up. Radical approaches are not suitable for radical parameters :p

 Tsjerk

 On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Justin Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu wrote:


 On 10/3/12 7:49 AM, tarak karmakar wrote:

 Thanks Justin,
 Actually if I would remove the proton from the tyrosine -OH and add
 the corresponding charge of the Hydrogen to the phenolic oxygen to
 keep the residue neutral then wouldn't it be convenient to think as if
 it's a radical ?


 That doesn't sound legitimate to me at all.  A radical species is
 electronically very different.

 -Justin


 On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Justin Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu wrote:



 On 10/3/12 6:00 AM, tarak karmakar wrote:


 Dear All,

 Is it possible to deal a protein with tyrosyl radical in Molecular
 Dynamics Simulation ?? If possible can you please provide me the
 reference or literature where I can find the force field parameters
 for tyrosyl radical ?


 Molecular mechanics force fields do not deal explicitly with electrons,
 so
 don't expect anything particularly interesting to happen with a so-called
 radical tyrosine unless you're using QM methods.  You could perhaps
 parameterize a deprotonated tyrosine residue that, as input to QM
 software,
 has the number of electrons in the radical species.  You may then have to
 come up with new atom types depending upon whether or not the LJ
 parameters
 (especially for the phenolic O) are satisfactory.

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[gmx-users] Temperature in simulation

2012-10-03 Thread Shima Arasteh


Hi all,

I want to insert a protein in POPC lipid bilayer. 

First of all, I simulated POPC in water in 310 K. Now, I want to insert protein 
in lipid-water. To simulate protein-lipid-water system I want to run NVT in 300 
K and then go on. Does anybody know it would be  incorrect logically ? 


As I know, 10 degree increase in temperature of system, may result in some 
troubles in my small protein. But I guess this would not happen for lipid 
bilayer.


Thanks in advance for your suggestions.


Sincerely,
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Re: [gmx-users] Temperature in simulation

2012-10-03 Thread Peter C. Lai
You should do NVT equilibration to your target temperature. Your system is
already heavily changed between the equilibrated full bilayer and the 
embedded protein system so velocities will be reassigned anyway.

On 2012-10-03 06:39:39AM -0700, Shima Arasteh wrote:
 
 
 Hi all,
 
 I want to insert a protein in POPC lipid bilayer. 
 
 First of all, I simulated POPC in water in 310 K. Now, I want to insert 
 protein in lipid-water. To simulate protein-lipid-water system I want to run 
 NVT in 300 K and then go on. Does anybody know it would be  incorrect 
 logically ? 
 
 
 As I know, 10 degree increase in temperature of system, may result in some 
 troubles in my small protein. But I guess this would not happen for lipid 
 bilayer.
 
 
 Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 Shima 
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Re: [gmx-users] Temperature in simulation

2012-10-03 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 10/3/12 9:39 AM, Shima Arasteh wrote:



Hi all,

I want to insert a protein in POPC lipid bilayer.

First of all, I simulated POPC in water in 310 K. Now, I want to insert protein 
in lipid-water. To simulate protein-lipid-water system I want to run NVT in 300 
K and then go on. Does anybody know it would be  incorrect logically ?



Well, what is the goal of your simulation?  If you're trying to simulate a 
physiological environment (human body/cells) then 310 K is the correct 
temperature.  If you're trying to replicate some other in vitro conditions, that 
should motivate your choice.




As I know, 10 degree increase in temperature of system, may result in some 
troubles in my small protein. But I guess this would not happen for lipid 
bilayer.



A 10 K increase shouldn't affect the protein dynamics all that strongly.  What 
problems have you seen, and why do you expect them to carry over to a membrane 
environment?  One of the most important factors in choosing the temperature of a 
lipid bilayer is the phase transition temperature of the lipids.  POPC should be 
fluid at either 300 K or 310 K, so that is not a concern.


-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] Temperature in simulation

2012-10-03 Thread Shima Arasteh
I see that the velocities will be reassigned, but what I'm concerned about, is 
reporting the results in a paper. How would it be?

Thanks for your suggestion Peter.

 
Sincerely,
Shima


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Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Temperature in simulation

You should do NVT equilibration to your target temperature. Your system is
already heavily changed between the equilibrated full bilayer and the 
embedded protein system so velocities will be reassigned anyway.

On 2012-10-03 06:39:39AM -0700, Shima Arasteh wrote:
 
 
 Hi all,
 
 I want to insert a protein in POPC lipid bilayer. 
 
 First of all, I simulated POPC in water in 310 K. Now, I want to insert 
 protein in lipid-water. To simulate protein-lipid-water system I want to run 
 NVT in 300 K and then go on. Does anybody know it would be  incorrect 
 logically ? 
 
 
 As I know, 10 degree increase in temperature of system, may result in some 
 troubles in my small protein. But I guess this would not happen for lipid 
 bilayer.
 
 
 Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
 
 
 Sincerely,
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Re: [gmx-users] Temperature in simulation

2012-10-03 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 10/3/12 9:57 AM, Shima Arasteh wrote:

I see that the velocities will be reassigned, but what I'm concerned about, is 
reporting the results in a paper. How would it be?



That all depends on the answers to my previous questions, as well as the 
following: why did you simulate the protein in water prior to its insertion in a 
membrane?  There may be logical reasons to do this, but if it's a membrane 
protein and thus largely hydrophobic (I'm assuming), then why simulate it in 
water where it is likely to be unstable?


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RE: [gmx-users] Error with grompp

2012-10-03 Thread Elie M

Hello Emanuel.
First of all thank you for your help. I am sorry if my previous e-mail was a 
bit confusing.  I will tell what I did recently.
(1) I removed all the information :molecule type, atoms, bonddihedral from 
my top file and pasted them to the ipt file , the one I called ffoplsaamod.itp; 
I also included an #include command# referring to the .itp file. so my top 
file now just looks like that:

;;  File 'S54.top' was generated;   By user: User (1000);   On host: 
User-PC;   At date: Wed Sep 26 01:43:14 2012;; This is your include 
topology file; Generated by x2top;#include ffoplsaamod.itp  
and my foplsaamod.itp has the info that was present in .top file i.e:
[ moleculetype ]

; Namenrexcl

S54NS   3

 

[ atoms ]

;   nr  
type  resnr residue  atom  
cgnr charge   mass 
typeBchargeB  massB

 1  
opls_145  1LIG 
C  1  0
12.011   ; qtot 0

 2  
opls_735  1LIG 
C  2  0
12.011   ; qtot 0

 3  
opls_734  1LIG 
S  3  0 
32.06   ; qtot 0

 4  
opls_735  1LIG 
C  4  0
12.011   ; qtot 0

 5  
opls_145  1   
LIG  C  5 
0 12.011   ; qtot 0

 6  
opls_145  1LIG 
C  6  0
12.011   ; qtot 0

 7  
opls_516  1LIG 
C  7  0
12.011   ; qtot 0

 8  
opls_516  1LIG 
C  8  0
12.011   ; qtot 0[ bonds ]...3736   
4283 1 

   35   
373839
1 

   37   
383940
1 

   38   
394036
1 

   36   
404692
1 

 

[ system ]

; Name

S54NS

 

[ molecules ]

; Compound#mols

S54NS   1

 Have I missed something? i guess I did. I am getting an error of the form 
(when executing grompp_:
Invalid order for directive [atoms].
(2) What about the ffoplsaabon.itp and ffoplsaanb.itp files? Do they have to be 
put somewhere. 
I am sorry to bombard u with all of this but I have got my head spinning 
thinking about topologies and fixing this error.

Thank you
Elie









. Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 03:56:28 +
. From: emanuel.bi...@monash.edu
. Subject: RE: [gmx-users] Error with grompp
 To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
 
 Hi Elie,
 
 Your email is a bit confusing but I will try to give you some idea as per my 
 understanding of your email.
 
 If you want to use top and itp files separately, you should put all the info 
 (molecule type, atoms, bond, pairs, angles, dihedral) in your itp files and 
 you should use # include your itp file.itp in your top file. No atom, 
 bond, pair etc in your top file. Just like you include your water type 
 (spc/tip4) you should include the itp. And top of that you should put the 
 right number of molecules in the right order in your top file at the 
 (molecules) section.
 
 Hope that might give you some help.
 
 Cheers,
 Emanuel
 
 -Original Message-
 From: gmx-users-boun...@gromacs.org [mailto:gmx-users-boun...@gromacs.org] On 
 Behalf Of Elie M
 Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2012 1:39 PM
 To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
 Subject: RE: [gmx-users] Error with grompp
 
 
 I am a bit confused..I am getting different errors though similar in goal. 
 The error this time is:
 Fatal error:Syntax error - File S54.top, line 17Last line read:'[ atoms 
 ]'Invalid order for directive atomsLet me tell you what I did again: I have 
 another n2t file ( fftoplsaamod.n2t) which was used to successfully produce 
 the .top file. Now since using grompp requires the presence of  an 
 ffoplsaamod.itp, i just copied the original ffoplsaa.itp and renamed it and 
 instead of it calling the two itp files : ffoplsaanb.itp and 
 ffoplsaabon.itp, I have included these two files (in the order they should 
 be) in the ffoplsaamod.itp file. What I am confised about is that the top 
 file has atoms, bonds, pairs,..whilst the .itp file has atomtypes, 
 bondtypeswhy is that? what should be done to circumvent the error? shall 
 all atomtypes in the itp be called atoms and bondtypes bonds to match that 
 .top file or what? and which file should be in the same order of which?
 
 Thanks
 Elie
 
  Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 08:38:15 -0400
  From: jalem...@vt.edu
  To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
  Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Error with grompp
  
  
  
  On 10/1/12 12:38 AM, Elie M wrote:
  
   Dear all,
   Maybe this error has been discussed before; I have checked previous 
   messages on it but i could not resolve it. I have done a modified version 
   of the oplsaa forcefield which I have called ffoplsaamod.n2t. The top 
   file was created successfully. However when I run grompp, I get the error:
   Fatal error:Syntax error - File ffoplsaabon.itp, line 306Last line 
   read:'[ bondtypes ]'
   I tried to uncomment the bond types then the error moves to contraint 
   types. What is the solution in this case?
   N.B: I have copied the file ffoplsaa.itp and called it 
   

Re: [gmx-users] Temperature in simulation

2012-10-03 Thread Peter C. Lai
It sounds like you want to report that you created a bilayer, equilibrated it
at 310K then inserted the protein and ran MD of the embedded system at 300K?

On 2012-10-03 06:57:22AM -0700, Shima Arasteh wrote:
 I see that the velocities will be reassigned, but what I'm concerned about, 
 is reporting the results in a paper. How would it be?
 
 Thanks for your suggestion Peter.
 
  
 Sincerely,
 Shima
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Peter C. Lai p...@uab.edu
 To: Discussion list for GROMACS users gmx-users@gromacs.org
 Cc: 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 5:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Temperature in simulation
 
 You should do NVT equilibration to your target temperature. Your system is
 already heavily changed between the equilibrated full bilayer and the 
 embedded protein system so velocities will be reassigned anyway.
 
 On 2012-10-03 06:39:39AM -0700, Shima Arasteh wrote:
  
  
  Hi all,
  
  I want to insert a protein in POPC lipid bilayer. 
  
  First of all, I simulated POPC in water in 310 K. Now, I want to insert 
  protein in lipid-water. To simulate protein-lipid-water system I want to 
  run NVT in 300 K and then go on. Does anybody know it would be  incorrect 
  logically ? 
  
  
  As I know, 10 degree increase in temperature of system, may result in some 
  troubles in my small protein. But I guess this would not happen for lipid 
  bilayer.
  
  
  Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
  
  
  Sincerely,
  Shima 
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Re: [gmx-users] Error with grompp

2012-10-03 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 10/3/12 10:03 AM, Elie M wrote:


Hello Emanuel.
First of all thank you for your help. I am sorry if my previous e-mail was a 
bit confusing.  I will tell what I did recently.
(1) I removed all the information :molecule type, atoms, bonddihedral from my 
top file and pasted them to the ipt file , the one I called ffoplsaamod.itp; I also 
included an #include command# referring to the .itp file. so my top file now 
just looks like that:



That doesn't really make any sense.  You've chopped out the information for your 
molecule from the topology that g_x2top wrote, then simply re-included that 
information?  The output of g_x2top should be a functional topology; you should 
not have to adjust it.  If you need this topology to be an .itp file, i.e. as a 
ligand in some other .top, then you only need to make small adjustments.  See 
the following:


http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/File_Formats/.itp_File


;;  File 'S54.top' was generated;   By user: User (1000);   On host: User-PC;   At 
date: Wed Sep 26 01:43:14 2012;; This is your include topology file; Generated by 
x2top;#include ffoplsaamod.itp  
and my foplsaamod.itp has the info that was present in .top file i.e:
[ moleculetype ]

; Namenrexcl

S54NS   3



[ atoms ]

;   nr
type  resnr residue  atom
cgnr charge   mass
typeBchargeB  massB

  1
opls_145  1LIG
C  1  0
12.011   ; qtot 0

  2
opls_735  1LIG
C  2  0
12.011   ; qtot 0

  3
opls_734  1LIG
S  3  0
32.06   ; qtot 0

  4
opls_735  1LIG
C  4  0
12.011   ; qtot 0

  5
opls_145  1
LIG  C  5
0 12.011   ; qtot 0

  6
opls_145  1LIG
C  6  0
12.011   ; qtot 0

  7
opls_516  1LIG
C  7  0
12.011   ; qtot 0

  8
opls_516  1LIG
C  8  0
12.011   ; qtot 0[ bonds ]...3736
4283 1

35
373839
1

37
383940
1

38
394036
1

36
404692
1



I don't know whether it is your email client or the topology itself, but the 
seemingly random line breaks make these posts very difficult to read.





[ system ]

; Name

S54NS



[ molecules ]

; Compound#mols

S54NS   1

  Have I missed something? i guess I did. I am getting an error of the form 
(when executing grompp_:
Invalid order for directive [atoms].
(2) What about the ffoplsaabon.itp and ffoplsaanb.itp files? Do they have to be 
put somewhere.
I am sorry to bombard u with all of this but I have got my head spinning 
thinking about topologies and fixing this error.



A topology follows a defined structure that must be observed.  The hierarchy is 
described in the manual, but can be distilled into the following requirements:


1. You must #include a force field that defines all default elements (i.e. a 
[defaults] directive) that govern how the force field operates.


2. You must #include the nonbonded and bonded parameters for that force field, 
in that order.  Bonded parameters are assigned based on atom types, which must 
be declared first in order to be used.


3. After all force field-level parameters (items 1 and 2), you can introduce 
molecules that use these parameters.  This is the point where you can proceed to 
[atoms], [bonds], etc for a particular molecule.


-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] Temperature in simulation

2012-10-03 Thread Shima Arasteh
Actually, I want to study this system of protein-membrane, trying to replicate 
in vitro conditions and then studying function of the protein.

I simulated the protein in water to see the usual result : losing its native 
configuration.  Then, I am trying to insert the protein in membrane to study 
its function.





 
Sincerely,
Shima


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Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Temperature in simulation



On 10/3/12 9:39 AM, Shima Arasteh wrote:
 
 
 Hi all,
 
 I want to insert a protein in POPC lipid bilayer.
 
 First of all, I simulated POPC in water in 310 K. Now, I want to insert 
 protein in lipid-water. To simulate protein-lipid-water system I want to run 
 NVT in 300 K and then go on. Does anybody know it would be  incorrect 
 logically ?
 

Well, what is the goal of your simulation?  If you're trying to simulate a 
physiological environment (human body/cells) then 310 K is the correct 
temperature.  If you're trying to replicate some other in vitro conditions, 
that should motivate your choice.

 
 As I know, 10 degree increase in temperature of system, may result in some 
 troubles in my small protein. But I guess this would not happen for lipid 
 bilayer.
 

A 10 K increase shouldn't affect the protein dynamics all that strongly.  What 
problems have you seen, and why do you expect them to carry over to a membrane 
environment?  One of the most important factors in choosing the temperature of 
a lipid bilayer is the phase transition temperature of the lipids.  POPC should 
be fluid at either 300 K or 310 K, so that is not a concern.

-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] Temperature in simulation

2012-10-03 Thread Shima Arasteh
yes, that's right.

 
Sincerely,
Shima


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Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Temperature in simulation

It sounds like you want to report that you created a bilayer, equilibrated it
at 310K then inserted the protein and ran MD of the embedded system at 300K?

On 2012-10-03 06:57:22AM -0700, Shima Arasteh wrote:
 I see that the velocities will be reassigned, but what I'm concerned about, 
 is reporting the results in a paper. How would it be?
 
 Thanks for your suggestion Peter.
 
  
 Sincerely,
 Shima
 
 
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 Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 5:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Temperature in simulation
 
 You should do NVT equilibration to your target temperature. Your system is
 already heavily changed between the equilibrated full bilayer and the 
 embedded protein system so velocities will be reassigned anyway.
 
 On 2012-10-03 06:39:39AM -0700, Shima Arasteh wrote:
  
  
  Hi all,
  
  I want to insert a protein in POPC lipid bilayer. 
  
  First of all, I simulated POPC in water in 310 K. Now, I want to insert 
  protein in lipid-water. To simulate protein-lipid-water system I want to 
  run NVT in 300 K and then go on. Does anybody know it would be  incorrect 
  logically ? 
  
  
  As I know, 10 degree increase in temperature of system, may result in some 
  troubles in my small protein. But I guess this would not happen for lipid 
  bilayer.
  
  
  Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
  
  
  Sincerely,
  Shima 
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Re: [gmx-users] Coordinate file for lipid bilayer

2012-10-03 Thread James Starlight
Justin,

thanks for advises.

Finally how I could effectively reduce size of my system (in x and y )
to the defined pbc box size ( see picture to the previous comment) ?

I've noticed that increasing of x and y to the 12 nm I obtain ideal
shape of the bilayer without miss-matches of the left and right sizes.
But when I try to decrease dimensions of that system from 12 to 8 nm

genbox -cs xz.gro -box 8.04542 8.04542 10.19156

I've obtained the system with the broadered water layers again ( as in
the picture which I've shown).

James

2012/10/3, Justin Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu:


 On 10/3/12 8:59 AM, James Starlight wrote:
 Justin,

 Might the modifications of the vdwradii.dat be suitable for such
 system expanding or (on other hand) reduction (as in the below picture
 are shown). In the lattter case I defined new box dimensions (smaller
 than initial box dims) and would like to remove all side water-lipids
 layer which are beyond new pbc dimensions)?

 http://imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=donel=img138/5497/reduction.png


 I don't know if that will have much of an effect or not.  The values in
 vdwradii.dat are used to determine if there is atomic overlap with
 coordinates
 being added (solvent) to the solute configuration.

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Re: [gmx-users] Coordinate file for lipid bilayer

2012-10-03 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 10/3/12 12:38 PM, James Starlight wrote:

Justin,

thanks for advises.

Finally how I could effectively reduce size of my system (in x and y )
to the defined pbc box size ( see picture to the previous comment) ?

I've noticed that increasing of x and y to the 12 nm I obtain ideal
shape of the bilayer without miss-matches of the left and right sizes.
But when I try to decrease dimensions of that system from 12 to 8 nm

genbox -cs xz.gro -box 8.04542 8.04542 10.19156

I've obtained the system with the broadered water layers again ( as in
the picture which I've shown).



My advice is still the same - you need box vectors that are compatible with both 
a sensible water layer and membrane leaflets.


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Re: [gmx-users] Temperature in simulation

2012-10-03 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 10/3/12 10:16 AM, Shima Arasteh wrote:

Actually, I want to study this system of protein-membrane, trying to replicate 
in vitro conditions and then studying function of the protein.

I simulated the protein in water to see the usual result : losing its native 
configuration.  Then, I am trying to insert the protein in membrane to study 
its function.




Inserting an unfolded (or partially unfolded) protein into a membrane and hoping 
it reflects reality may or may not be wise.  If you want to compare water vs. 
membrane environments, those should be two separate simulations, both starting 
from the same (presumably) native state of the protein.  If you're hoping that 
the protein will re-fold within the membrane, you're probably making a large 
number of assumptions, most of which may not hold up under scrutiny.


-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] Temperature in simulation

2012-10-03 Thread Shima Arasteh
You are right and I will insert the native protein in membrane. To do so, I 
want to set the temperature of nvt.mdp file to 300 K, however I want to use the 
result output of memrane simulated in 310 K for 50 ns. 
Through your earlier suggestions, I got that velocities would be reassigned in 
new simulation and 10 degree is not a thing to be concerned in my system. 
Here, I'd like to know if I am criticized for using this difference between 
temperatures?
 
Thanks for all your suggestions, that are all kind of you :-)

Sincerely,
Shima


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Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Temperature in simulation



On 10/3/12 10:16 AM, Shima Arasteh wrote:
 Actually, I want to study this system of protein-membrane, trying to 
 replicate in vitro conditions and then studying function of the protein.
 
 I simulated the protein in water to see the usual result : losing its native 
 configuration.  Then, I am trying to insert the protein in membrane to study 
 its function.
 
 

Inserting an unfolded (or partially unfolded) protein into a membrane and 
hoping it reflects reality may or may not be wise.  If you want to compare 
water vs. membrane environments, those should be two separate simulations, both 
starting from the same (presumably) native state of the protein.  If you're 
hoping that the protein will re-fold within the membrane, you're probably 
making a large number of assumptions, most of which may not hold up under 
scrutiny.

-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] Temperature in simulation

2012-10-03 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 10/3/12 2:02 PM, Shima Arasteh wrote:

You are right and I will insert the native protein in membrane. To do so, I 
want to set the temperature of nvt.mdp file to 300 K, however I want to use the 
result output of memrane simulated in 310 K for 50 ns.
Through your earlier suggestions, I got that velocities would be reassigned in 
new simulation and 10 degree is not a thing to be concerned in my system.
Here, I'd like to know if I am criticized for using this difference between 
temperatures?



It would be preferable to equilibrate the membrane at the desired temperature 
before perturbing it with the introduction of a protein.  I would assume that 
any effect on the dynamics would be minimal, but assumptions don't get you past 
a critical audience.  It can't hurt to run a short equilibration (10-20 ns 
maybe) of the membrane at 300 K before introducing the peptide.  It's more 
intuitive and should not take very long to do.


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[gmx-users] (no subject)

2012-10-03 Thread Ho, Tuan A.
Dear Gromacs users,
I would like to simulate water on Ruthenium surface. Would you please suggest 
the force field used to describe Ru.
Many thanks.

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Re: [gmx-users] (no subject)

2012-10-03 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 10/3/12 5:17 PM, Ho, Tuan A. wrote:

Dear Gromacs users,
I would like to simulate water on Ruthenium surface. Would you please suggest 
the force field used to describe Ru.


You're not likely to find one built into Gromacs by default.

http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/How-tos/Parameterization#Exotic_Species

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RE: [gmx-users] Error with grompp

2012-10-03 Thread Elie M

Sorry it seems that those breaks are due to hotmail and not present in the 
topology. Thanks for your reply. I still have problems...I will tell u briefly 
and as clear as possible what i did.
(1)  My top file has the following lines ate first:
; Include forcefield parameters   #include ffoplsaamod.itp[ moleculetype ]
which means that when grompp is reading it, it will first go to 
ffoplsaamod.itp. 
(2) After the description of what the ffoplsaamod is (commented by ;), the 
input is simply:
[ defaults ];nbfunc comb-rule   gen-pairs   fudgeLJ fudgeQQ1
3   yes 0.5 0.5
#include ffoplsaanb.itp#include ffoplsaabon.itp
where the nonbonded and bonded parameters are included in this order (which you 
have also mentioned in your previous e-mail). If i run grompp in this way I get 
the error:
Fatal error:Syntax error - File ffoplsaamod.itp, line 18Last line 
read:'\par'Found a second defaults directive.
which I really cannot understand. The above [defaults] is the first thing that 
the code will pass through. How come it mentions this as a second directory?
(3) i commented the above [ defaults] with a ; and I get another error:
Fatal error:Syntax error - File ffoplsaanb.itp, line 1Last line read:'[ 
atomtypes ]'Invalid order for directive atomtypes
which might mean according to what I have read (correct me if I am wrong 
please), that the order might be violated and that [atomtypes] should not come 
first; but it is the first directive in the ffoplsaanb.itp file, which should 
be read first. 
So what might be happening? what is going wrong? or maybe what am I 
missing?Thank you all once again for the effort you are making in this forum

Elie




 Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 10:15:07 -0400
 From: jalem...@vt.edu
 To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
 Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Error with grompp
 
 
 
 On 10/3/12 10:03 AM, Elie M wrote:
 
  Hello Emanuel.
  First of all thank you for your help. I am sorry if my previous e-mail was 
  a bit confusing.  I will tell what I did recently.
  (1) I removed all the information :molecule type, atoms, bonddihedral 
  from my top file and pasted them to the ipt file , the one I called 
  ffoplsaamod.itp; I also included an #include command# referring to the 
  .itp file. so my top file now just looks like that:
  
 
 That doesn't really make any sense.  You've chopped out the information for 
 your 
 molecule from the topology that g_x2top wrote, then simply re-included that 
 information?  The output of g_x2top should be a functional topology; you 
 should 
 not have to adjust it.  If you need this topology to be an .itp file, i.e. as 
 a 
 ligand in some other .top, then you only need to make small adjustments.  See 
 the following:
 
 http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/File_Formats/.itp_File
 
  ;;  File 'S54.top' was generated;   By user: User (1000);   On host: 
  User-PC;   At date: Wed Sep 26 01:43:14 2012;; This is your include 
  topology file; Generated by x2top;#include ffoplsaamod.itp  
  and my foplsaamod.itp has the info that was present in .top file i.e:
  [ moleculetype ]
 
  ; Namenrexcl
 
  S54NS   3
 
 
 
  [ atoms ]
 
  ;   nr
  type  resnr residue  atom
  cgnr charge   mass
  typeBchargeB  massB
 
1
  opls_145  1LIG
  C  1  0
  12.011   ; qtot 0
 
2
  opls_735  1LIG
  C  2  0
  12.011   ; qtot 0
 
3
  opls_734  1LIG
  S  3  0
  32.06   ; qtot 0
 
4
  opls_735  1LIG
  C  4  0
  12.011   ; qtot 0
 
5
  opls_145  1
  LIG  C  5
  0 12.011   ; qtot 0
 
6
  opls_145  1LIG
  C  6  0
  12.011   ; qtot 0
 
7
  opls_516  1LIG
  C  7  0
  12.011   ; qtot 0
 
8
  opls_516  1LIG
  C  8  0
  12.011   ; qtot 0[ bonds ]...3736
  4283 1
 
  35
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 I don't know whether it is your email client or the topology itself, but the 
 seemingly random line breaks make these posts very difficult to read.
 
 
 
  [ system ]
 
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  [ molecules ]
 
  ; Compound#mols
 
  S54NS   1
 
Have I missed something? i guess I did. I am getting an error of the 
  form (when executing grompp_:
  Invalid order for directive [atoms].
  (2) What about the ffoplsaabon.itp and ffoplsaanb.itp files? Do they have 
  to be put somewhere.
  I am sorry to bombard u with all of this but I have got my head spinning 
  thinking about topologies and fixing this error.
 
 
 A topology follows a defined structure that must be observed.  The hierarchy 
 is 
 described in the manual, but can be distilled into the following requirements:
 
 1. You must #include a force field that defines all default elements (i.e. a 
 

Re: [gmx-users] xmgrace graphs

2012-10-03 Thread ram bio
Thanks

On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 6:04 AM, Justin Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu wrote:


 On 10/3/12 12:06 AM, naga sundar wrote:

 Dear Pramod

   use the command

   xmgrace  -nxy file1.xvg  file2.xvg

   Instead of file1 and file2 use ur file name.


 Distance plots produced by g_dist have four data sets (distance and x,y,z
 components) so plotting in this way can be quite messy.  Leave out the -nxy
 if you want to only plot the total distance and not the remaining (x,y,z)
 components.

 -Justin


 On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:49 PM, ram bio rmbio...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear Gromacs users,

 I am trying to find inter atomic distances between ligand atoms and
 protein residues using Gromacs commands and could generate individual
 xvg files, but could not figure out how to merge or show all the xvg
 files in one graph using xmgrace.

 Cold you please suggest?

 Thanks and Regards,

 Pramod
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Re: [gmx-users] Error with grompp

2012-10-03 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 10/3/12 7:48 PM, Elie M wrote:


Sorry it seems that those breaks are due to hotmail and not present in the 
topology. Thanks for your reply. I still have problems...I will tell u briefly 
and as clear as possible what i did.
(1)  My top file has the following lines ate first:
; Include forcefield parameters   #include ffoplsaamod.itp[ moleculetype ]
which means that when grompp is reading it, it will first go to ffoplsaamod.itp.
(2) After the description of what the ffoplsaamod is (commented by ;), the 
input is simply:
[ defaults ];nbfunc comb-rule   gen-pairs   fudgeLJ fudgeQQ1
3   yes 0.5 0.5
#include ffoplsaanb.itp#include ffoplsaabon.itp
where the nonbonded and bonded parameters are included in this order (which you 
have also mentioned in your previous e-mail). If i run grompp in this way I get 
the error:
Fatal error:Syntax error - File ffoplsaamod.itp, line 18Last line 
read:'\par'Found a second defaults directive.
which I really cannot understand. The above [defaults] is the first thing that 
the code will pass through. How come it mentions this as a second directory?
(3) i commented the above [ defaults] with a ; and I get another error:
Fatal error:Syntax error - File ffoplsaanb.itp, line 1Last line read:'[ 
atomtypes ]'Invalid order for directive atomtypes
which might mean according to what I have read (correct me if I am wrong 
please), that the order might be violated and that [atomtypes] should not come 
first; but it is the first directive in the ffoplsaanb.itp file, which should 
be read first.
So what might be happening? what is going wrong? or maybe what am I 
missing?Thank you all once again for the effort you are making in this forum



It seems like the format of whatever files you're using is horribly broken.  I 
would recommend starting over and not making any adjustments to any files 
(removing lines, changing contents, adding comments, etc) unless you know 
exactly what you're doing.  For example, the presence of '\par' in 
ffoplsaamod.itp suggests wrong line endings (i.e. from not using a plain text 
editor).


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Re: [gmx-users] Fatal error: Atomtype F not found

2012-10-03 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 10/3/12 10:43 PM, Nur Syafiqah Abdul Ghani wrote:

Dear Users,

Right now i already done for creating the a gro file from antechamber
to gromacs format of my molecule which is hexafluoroisopropanol.
But when i want to minimize it in vacuum it show atomtype F not found.
Im using oplsaa force field and i already change the atom type
according to the force field.

Below are my files that i need to used for my minimization :

PDB file :

HETATM1  opls_164  HFI A  101 -1.433  -1.291  -0.584  1.00  -0.219790
HETATM2  opls_161  HFI A  101 -1.274  -0.111  -0.039  1.00   0.600750
HETATM3  opls_164  HFI A  101 -1.331  -0.244   1.257  1.00  -0.208510
HETATM4  opls_164  HFI A  101 -2.292   0.639  -0.413  1.00  -0.235630
HETATM5  opls_158  HFI A  101  0.013   0.562  -0.520  1.00   0.064010
HETATM6  opls_078  HFI A  101  0.068   1.864  -0.080  1.00  -0.549590
HETATM7  opls_079  HFI A  101 -0.560   2.404  -0.527  1.00   0.438940
HETATM8  opls_140  HFI A  101  0.014   0.485  -1.602  1.00   0.103910
HETATM9  opls_161  HFI A  101  1.289  -0.122  -0.036  1.00   0.652070
HETATM   10  opls_164  HFI A  101  2.323   0.430  -0.620  1.00  -0.216720
HETATM   11  opls_164  HFI A  101  1.282  -1.395  -0.353  1.00  -0.223970
HETATM   12  opls_164  HFI A  101  1.450  -0.022   1.254  1.00  -0.205480
CONECT12
CONECT21345
CONECT32
CONECT42
CONECT52678
CONECT65
CONECT75
CONECT859   10   11
CONECT98
CONECT   108
CONECT   118   12
CONECT   12   11
END

also the topology ;

; Include forcefield parameters
#include oplsaa.ff/forcefield.itp
; Include organic solvent
#include hfi.itp
; Include water topology
#include oplsaa.ff/spc.itp
#ifdef POSRER_WATER
; Position restraint for each water oxygen
[position_restraints]
; i funct  fcx   fcy   fcz
   11   1000  1000  1000
#endif
[system]
;Name
solute
[molecules]
;Compound  #mols
HFI 1


gro file;

solvent_HFI.gro.gro created by rdparm2gmx.pl Sat May 28 10:25:18 MYT 2005
  12
 1HFI   opls_1641   0.354   0.142   0.000
 1HFI   opls_1612   0.369   0.260   0.055
 1HFI   opls_1643   0.364   0.247   0.184
 1HFI   opls_1644   0.267   0.335   0.017
 1HFI   opls_1585   0.498   0.328   0.006
 1HFI   opls_0786   0.503   0.458   0.050
 1HFI   opls_0797   0.440   0.512   0.006
 1HFI   opls_1408   0.498   0.320  -0.102
 1HFI   opls_1619   0.626   0.260   0.055
 1HFI   opls_164   10   0.729   0.315  -0.004
 1HFI   opls_164   11   0.625   0.132   0.023
 1HFI   opls_164   12   0.642   0.270   0.184
 0.625250.132330.02309

is there something wrong of my file?


Your .pdb and .gro files call opls_* atom names, which are actually atom types. 
 Do not confuse the two.



Why it cant recognize the F atom??


Without seeing the contents of hfi.itp, it's hard to say aside from the general 
statement that you're using an atom type that does not exist.  I suspect you've 
confused atom types and names, given the coordinate files shown.


-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] Problem with the installation of Gromacs 4-5.5

2012-10-03 Thread rama david
Hi Deepak,

Is the gromacs is in your path??

Please mention your operating system..

With best wishes and Regards,
rama david

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Deepak Ojha alwaysinthem...@gmail.comwrote:

 Dear All
 I want to use Amber force field in Gromacs therefore I installed the
 latest version of Gromacs and
 installed accordingly as per as the instructions given in INSTALL.automake
 file.
 ./configure
 make
 make install

 It works fine and shows the message that installation is complete but
 none of the commands like
 pdb2gmx,mdrun works.Even the luck does not works which is meant to
 test the installation of gromacs.
 What is the issue with the installation.Please help me resolve it.

 Regards
 DeepaK Ojha
 School Of Chemistry

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Re: [gmx-users] Coordinate file for lipid bilayer

2012-10-03 Thread James Starlight
Justin,


lastly, is there any other ways to obtain bilayers of desired
dimensions started from just one lipid oriented in desired way for
instance?


James

2012/10/3, Justin Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu:


 On 10/3/12 12:38 PM, James Starlight wrote:
 Justin,

 thanks for advises.

 Finally how I could effectively reduce size of my system (in x and y )
 to the defined pbc box size ( see picture to the previous comment) ?

 I've noticed that increasing of x and y to the 12 nm I obtain ideal
 shape of the bilayer without miss-matches of the left and right sizes.
 But when I try to decrease dimensions of that system from 12 to 8 nm

 genbox -cs xz.gro -box 8.04542 8.04542 10.19156

 I've obtained the system with the broadered water layers again ( as in
 the picture which I've shown).


 My advice is still the same - you need box vectors that are compatible with
 both
 a sensible water layer and membrane leaflets.

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