Re: [gmx-users] LINCS WARNING max 597108032.000000 (between atoms 366 and 368) ?

2009-12-31 Thread Tsjerk Wassenaar
Hi,

So many posts and replies on a single issue, and still no exact
command lines, nor grompp output, nor gromacs version. Lin, please be
aware that such errors only make sense in the context of what you did.
You'll have to provide all information that might be related to it.
I'm pretty sure that your command lines will reveal the problem, and
otherwise the grompp output will.

If I have to make a guess, which is all one can do with the
information provided, I'd say the PBC is incorrect. Maybe you
converted to .pdb format at an intermediary step which is known to
remove the PBC in some gromacs versions.

Cheers,

Tsjerk

On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 2:47 AM, Mark Abraham mark.abra...@anu.edu.au wrote:
 Chih-Ying Lin wrote:

  Hi
 what does the max max 597108032.00 (between atoms 366 and 368) mean?
 is it the max force or max length of the system?
 where is the max force listed?

 Don't know.

 max 597108032.00 (between atoms 366 and 368) rms 26394490.00
 bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:
 what does previous, current mean?
 is it previous length and current length?

 Yeah probably. You need to understand what LINCS does to make some sense of
 this output.

 It doesn't really matter though. A well-behaved simulation will have none of
 these warnings. Atoms 366 and 368 are connected by a constraint and unhappy
 at the start of the simulation. In the output you quote, their distance has
 gone from under 1nm to a ridiculous number. Look at the region of those
 atoms in the starting configuration, and work out why. The most likely
 hypothesis is that some other atom is so close to them that they experienced
 a massive force, and had massive LJ.

 Mark

 Thank you
 Lin
    Step 0, time 0 (ps)  LINCS WARNING
 relative constraint deviation after LINCS:
 max 597108032.00 (between atoms 366 and 368) rms 26394490.00
 bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:
  *atom 1 atom 2  angle  previous, current, constraint length
 *     26     39   52.0    0.1530   0.1699      0.1530     39     40   69.4
    0.1230   0.1423      0.1230       39     41   40.7    0.1330   0.1502
  0.1330     75     76   36.0    0.1250   0.1252      0.1250        133
  134   69.5    0.1530   0.1937      0.1530
    134    135   89.8    0.1470   0.2036      0.1470
    344    346   42.4    0.1470   0.2090      0.1470
    346    347   42.2    0.1530   0.2141      0.1530
    346    359   63.9    0.1530 26006.0332      0.1530
    359    360   56.9    0.1230 26006.0469      0.1230
    359    361   83.2    0.1330 82898.5859      0.1330
    361    362   77.5    0.1000 82845.7109      0.1000
    361    363   83.8    0.1470 398710.1875      0.1470
    363    364   89.3    0.1530 1909291.8750      0.1530
    363    369   85.2    0.1530 393002.8125      0.1530
    364    365   90.0    0.1508 31146174.      0.1530
    365    366   90.2    0.1544 66925512.      0.1530
    366    367   92.7    0.1301 73689816.      0.1250
    366    368   87.0    0.1305 74638504.      0.1250
    369    370   72.1    0.1230 65978.3203      0.1230
    369    371   72.6    0.1330 66864.2812      0.1330
    371    372   85.7    0.1000 10685.0596      0.1000
    371    373   61.0    0.1470 10685.1035      0.1470      373    374
 33.3    0.1530   0.1896      0.1530
    373    377   33.5    0.1530   0.1933      0.1530
    547    548   90.1    0.1089   0.1358      0.1090
    898    900   89.9    0.1530   0.4741      0.1530

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[gmx-users] LINCS WARNING max 597108032.000000 (between atoms 366 and 368) ?

2009-12-30 Thread Chih-Ying Lin
Hi
what does the max max 597108032.00 (between atoms 366 and 368) mean?
is it the max force or max length of the system?
where is the max force listed?

max 597108032.00 (between atoms 366 and 368) rms 26394490.00
bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:
what does previous, current mean?
is it previous length and current length?

Thank you
Lin



Step 0, time 0 (ps)  LINCS WARNING
relative constraint deviation after LINCS:
max 597108032.00 (between atoms 366 and 368) rms 26394490.00
bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:
 *atom 1 atom 2  angle  previous, current, constraint length
* 26 39   52.00.1530   0.1699  0.1530
 39 40   69.40.1230   0.1423  0.1230
 39 41   40.70.1330   0.1502  0.1330
 75 76   36.00.1250   0.1252  0.1250
133134   69.50.1530   0.1937  0.1530
134135   89.80.1470   0.2036  0.1470
344346   42.40.1470   0.2090  0.1470
346347   42.20.1530   0.2141  0.1530
346359   63.90.1530 26006.0332  0.1530
359360   56.90.1230 26006.0469  0.1230
359361   83.20.1330 82898.5859  0.1330
361362   77.50.1000 82845.7109  0.1000
361363   83.80.1470 398710.1875  0.1470
363364   89.30.1530 1909291.8750  0.1530
363369   85.20.1530 393002.8125  0.1530
364365   90.00.1508 31146174.  0.1530
365366   90.20.1544 66925512.  0.1530
366367   92.70.1301 73689816.  0.1250
366368   87.00.1305 74638504.  0.1250
369370   72.10.1230 65978.3203  0.1230
369371   72.60.1330 66864.2812  0.1330
371372   85.70.1000 10685.0596  0.1000
371373   61.00.1470 10685.1035  0.1470
373374   33.30.1530   0.1896  0.1530
373377   33.50.1530   0.1933  0.1530
547548   90.10.1089   0.1358  0.1090
898900   89.90.1530   0.4741  0.1530
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Re: [gmx-users] LINCS WARNING max 597108032.000000 (between atoms 366 and 368) ?

2009-12-30 Thread Mark Abraham

Chih-Ying Lin wrote:
 
Hi

what does the max max 597108032.00 (between atoms 366 and 368) mean?
is it the max force or max length of the system?
where is the max force listed?


Don't know.


max 597108032.00 (between atoms 366 and 368) rms 26394490.00
bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:
what does previous, current mean?
is it previous length and current length?


Yeah probably. You need to understand what LINCS does to make some sense 
of this output.


It doesn't really matter though. A well-behaved simulation will have 
none of these warnings. Atoms 366 and 368 are connected by a constraint 
and unhappy at the start of the simulation. In the output you quote, 
their distance has gone from under 1nm to a ridiculous number. Look at 
the region of those atoms in the starting configuration, and work out 
why. The most likely hypothesis is that some other atom is so close to 
them that they experienced a massive force, and had massive LJ.


Mark


Thank you
Lin
 
 
 
Step 0, time 0 (ps)  LINCS WARNING

relative constraint deviation after LINCS:
max 597108032.00 (between atoms 366 and 368) rms 26394490.00
bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:
 *atom 1 atom 2  angle  previous, current, constraint length
* 26 39   52.00.1530   0.1699  0.1530 
 39 40   69.40.1230   0.1423  0.1230  
 39 41   40.70.1330   0.1502  0.1330 
 75 76   36.00.1250   0.1252  0.1250
133134   69.50.1530   0.1937  0.1530

134135   89.80.1470   0.2036  0.1470
344346   42.40.1470   0.2090  0.1470
346347   42.20.1530   0.2141  0.1530
346359   63.90.1530 26006.0332  0.1530
359360   56.90.1230 26006.0469  0.1230
359361   83.20.1330 82898.5859  0.1330
361362   77.50.1000 82845.7109  0.1000
361363   83.80.1470 398710.1875  0.1470
363364   89.30.1530 1909291.8750  0.1530
363369   85.20.1530 393002.8125  0.1530
364365   90.00.1508 31146174.  0.1530
365366   90.20.1544 66925512.  0.1530
366367   92.70.1301 73689816.  0.1250
366368   87.00.1305 74638504.  0.1250
369370   72.10.1230 65978.3203  0.1230
369371   72.60.1330 66864.2812  0.1330
371372   85.70.1000 10685.0596  0.1000
371373   61.00.1470 10685.1035  0.1470  
373374   33.30.1530   0.1896  0.1530

373377   33.50.1530   0.1933  0.1530
547548   90.10.1089   0.1358  0.1090
898900   89.90.1530   0.4741  0.1530


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Re: [gmx-users] LINCS WARNING max 597108032.000000 (between atoms 366 and 368) ?

2009-12-30 Thread Justin A. Lemkul



Chih-Ying Lin wrote:
 
Hi

what does the max max 597108032.00 (between atoms 366 and 368) mean?
is it the max force or max length of the system?
where is the max force listed?
 


It corresponds to the length between the constrained atoms.  Forces are printed 
to the .trr file if you have set nstfout  0.



max 597108032.00 (between atoms 366 and 368) rms 26394490.00
bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:
what does previous, current mean?


The constraint length at the previous step and the current one.  Judging by the 
size of these values, it means your system is exploding hopelessly, as the 
constrained bond is currently at nearly infinite length.


-Justin


is it previous length and current length?
 
Thank you

Lin
 
 
 
Step 0, time 0 (ps)  LINCS WARNING

relative constraint deviation after LINCS:
max 597108032.00 (between atoms 366 and 368) rms 26394490.00
bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:
 *atom 1 atom 2  angle  previous, current, constraint length
* 26 39   52.00.1530   0.1699  0.1530 
 39 40   69.40.1230   0.1423  0.1230  
 39 41   40.70.1330   0.1502  0.1330 
 75 76   36.00.1250   0.1252  0.1250
133134   69.50.1530   0.1937  0.1530

134135   89.80.1470   0.2036  0.1470
344346   42.40.1470   0.2090  0.1470
346347   42.20.1530   0.2141  0.1530
346359   63.90.1530 26006.0332  0.1530
359360   56.90.1230 26006.0469  0.1230
359361   83.20.1330 82898.5859  0.1330
361362   77.50.1000 82845.7109  0.1000
361363   83.80.1470 398710.1875  0.1470
363364   89.30.1530 1909291.8750  0.1530
363369   85.20.1530 393002.8125  0.1530
364365   90.00.1508 31146174.  0.1530
365366   90.20.1544 66925512.  0.1530
366367   92.70.1301 73689816.  0.1250
366368   87.00.1305 74638504.  0.1250
369370   72.10.1230 65978.3203  0.1230
369371   72.60.1330 66864.2812  0.1330
371372   85.70.1000 10685.0596  0.1000
371373   61.00.1470 10685.1035  0.1470  
373374   33.30.1530   0.1896  0.1530

373377   33.50.1530   0.1933  0.1530
547548   90.10.1089   0.1358  0.1090
898900   89.90.1530   0.4741  0.1530



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