Re: [gmx-users] TFE-water simulation

2013-11-08 Thread Archana Sonawani-Jagtap
Should I start with helical peptides and see if it maintains the helicity
or I can start with random coil?

Do random coil peptides take long simulation time to form helical peptides?

any help on this will be appreciated.


On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 12:25 AM, Archana Sonawani-Jagtap 
ask.arch...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks Joao Henriques for helping me with the steps.
 On Nov 4, 2013 3:18 PM, João Henriques joao.henriques.32...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hello Archana,

 I'm also toying with a TFE-water system, therefore I am also a newbie.
 This
 is what I am doing, I hope it helps:

 1) Since I'm using G54A7 I created a TFE.itp using GROMOS parameters (I
 don't use PRODGR, see why in DOI: 10.1021/ci100335w).
 2) Do the math and check how many molecules of TFE you're going to need
 for
 a given v/v TFE-water ratio and a given simulation box volume.
 3) Build box with the correct size.
 4) Randomly insert correct number of TFE molecules.
 5) Solvate.
 6) Insert protein.

 Hopefully, the amount of TFE and water molecules that will be deleted in
 inserting the protein in the final step will be proportional, given that
 the TFE molecules are well distributed.

 I've tried many different ways of doing this and it's always impossible to
 maintain a perfect TFE-water ratio, no matter the order and manner of
 insertion of each system component. I've also never been able to insert
 the
 correct number of waters after the TFE. My calculations predict a higher
 number, but the solvation algorithm can't find enough space for them.

 In sum, either you place each molecule by hand and you spend a life time
 building the system, or you just make a few compromises and deal with it.
 I
 ended up going with the former as I have a limited amount of time on my
 hands and I am aware of the approximations I am doing.

 Best regards,

 João Henriques
 
 PhD student
 Division of Theoretical Chemistry
 Lund University
 Lund, Sweden
 
 joao.henriq...@teokem.lu.se
 http://www.teokem.lu.se/~joaoh/


 On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Justin Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu wrote:

 
 
  On 10/24/13 1:13 PM, Archana Sonawani-Jagtap wrote:
 
  Dear Justin,
 
  I have not constructed the system but I have downloaded it from ATB
  website. To maintain the number of TFE and water molecules(1:1 v/v) in
 the
  system (I don't want to add extra water molecules) I tried many
 options in
  genbox but still it adds 678 water molecules. Can you provide me some
  hint?
 
 
  Not without seeing your actual command(s).
 
 
   Is their need to remove periodicity of this pre-equilibrated system as
 in
  case of lipids?
 
 
  No idea.  Are the molecules broken in the initial configuration?
 
  -Justin
 
  --
  ==
 
 
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  Postdoctoral Fellow
 
  Department of Pharmaceutical Sciences
  School of Pharmacy
  Health Sciences Facility II, Room 601
  University of Maryland, Baltimore
  20 Penn St.
  Baltimore, MD 21201
 
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Re: [gmx-users] TFE-water simulation

2013-11-08 Thread João Henriques
Hello again,

That depends on the peptide. There is no general answer. I am starting with
a linear conformations, but that's because I'm working with intrinsically
disordered proteins. That's as far as I can go regarding telling you about
what I'm doing. I'm not at liberty to discuss these things, it's not public
yet, sorry.

Best regards,
João


On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Archana Sonawani-Jagtap 
ask.arch...@gmail.com wrote:

 Should I start with helical peptides and see if it maintains the helicity
 or I can start with random coil?

 Do random coil peptides take long simulation time to form helical peptides?

 any help on this will be appreciated.


 On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 12:25 AM, Archana Sonawani-Jagtap 
 ask.arch...@gmail.com wrote:

  Thanks Joao Henriques for helping me with the steps.
  On Nov 4, 2013 3:18 PM, João Henriques joao.henriques.32...@gmail.com
 
  wrote:
 
  Hello Archana,
 
  I'm also toying with a TFE-water system, therefore I am also a newbie.
  This
  is what I am doing, I hope it helps:
 
  1) Since I'm using G54A7 I created a TFE.itp using GROMOS parameters (I
  don't use PRODGR, see why in DOI: 10.1021/ci100335w).
  2) Do the math and check how many molecules of TFE you're going to need
  for
  a given v/v TFE-water ratio and a given simulation box volume.
  3) Build box with the correct size.
  4) Randomly insert correct number of TFE molecules.
  5) Solvate.
  6) Insert protein.
 
  Hopefully, the amount of TFE and water molecules that will be deleted in
  inserting the protein in the final step will be proportional, given that
  the TFE molecules are well distributed.
 
  I've tried many different ways of doing this and it's always impossible
 to
  maintain a perfect TFE-water ratio, no matter the order and manner of
  insertion of each system component. I've also never been able to insert
  the
  correct number of waters after the TFE. My calculations predict a higher
  number, but the solvation algorithm can't find enough space for them.
 
  In sum, either you place each molecule by hand and you spend a life time
  building the system, or you just make a few compromises and deal with
 it.
  I
  ended up going with the former as I have a limited amount of time on my
  hands and I am aware of the approximations I am doing.
 
  Best regards,
 
  João Henriques
  
  PhD student
  Division of Theoretical Chemistry
  Lund University
  Lund, Sweden
  
  joao.henriq...@teokem.lu.se
  http://www.teokem.lu.se/~joaoh/
 
 
  On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Justin Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu wrote:
 
  
  
   On 10/24/13 1:13 PM, Archana Sonawani-Jagtap wrote:
  
   Dear Justin,
  
   I have not constructed the system but I have downloaded it from ATB
   website. To maintain the number of TFE and water molecules(1:1 v/v)
 in
  the
   system (I don't want to add extra water molecules) I tried many
  options in
   genbox but still it adds 678 water molecules. Can you provide me some
   hint?
  
  
   Not without seeing your actual command(s).
  
  
Is their need to remove periodicity of this pre-equilibrated system
 as
  in
   case of lipids?
  
  
   No idea.  Are the molecules broken in the initial configuration?
  
   -Justin
  
   --
   ==
  
  
   Justin A. Lemkul, Ph.D.
   Postdoctoral Fellow
  
   Department of Pharmaceutical Sciences
   School of Pharmacy
   Health Sciences Facility II, Room 601
   University of Maryland, Baltimore
   20 Penn St.
   Baltimore, MD 21201
  
   jalem...@outerbanks.umaryland.edu | (410) 706-7441
  
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Re: [gmx-users] TFE-water simulation

2013-11-04 Thread João Henriques
Hello Archana,

I'm also toying with a TFE-water system, therefore I am also a newbie. This
is what I am doing, I hope it helps:

1) Since I'm using G54A7 I created a TFE.itp using GROMOS parameters (I
don't use PRODGR, see why in DOI: 10.1021/ci100335w).
2) Do the math and check how many molecules of TFE you're going to need for
a given v/v TFE-water ratio and a given simulation box volume.
3) Build box with the correct size.
4) Randomly insert correct number of TFE molecules.
5) Solvate.
6) Insert protein.

Hopefully, the amount of TFE and water molecules that will be deleted in
inserting the protein in the final step will be proportional, given that
the TFE molecules are well distributed.

I've tried many different ways of doing this and it's always impossible to
maintain a perfect TFE-water ratio, no matter the order and manner of
insertion of each system component. I've also never been able to insert the
correct number of waters after the TFE. My calculations predict a higher
number, but the solvation algorithm can't find enough space for them.

In sum, either you place each molecule by hand and you spend a life time
building the system, or you just make a few compromises and deal with it. I
ended up going with the former as I have a limited amount of time on my
hands and I am aware of the approximations I am doing.

Best regards,

João Henriques

PhD student
Division of Theoretical Chemistry
Lund University
Lund, Sweden

joao.henriq...@teokem.lu.se
http://www.teokem.lu.se/~joaoh/


On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Justin Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu wrote:



 On 10/24/13 1:13 PM, Archana Sonawani-Jagtap wrote:

 Dear Justin,

 I have not constructed the system but I have downloaded it from ATB
 website. To maintain the number of TFE and water molecules(1:1 v/v) in the
 system (I don't want to add extra water molecules) I tried many options in
 genbox but still it adds 678 water molecules. Can you provide me some
 hint?


 Not without seeing your actual command(s).


  Is their need to remove periodicity of this pre-equilibrated system as in
 case of lipids?


 No idea.  Are the molecules broken in the initial configuration?

 -Justin

 --
 ==


 Justin A. Lemkul, Ph.D.
 Postdoctoral Fellow

 Department of Pharmaceutical Sciences
 School of Pharmacy
 Health Sciences Facility II, Room 601
 University of Maryland, Baltimore
 20 Penn St.
 Baltimore, MD 21201

 jalem...@outerbanks.umaryland.edu | (410) 706-7441

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Re: [gmx-users] TFE-water simulation

2013-11-04 Thread João Henriques
Erratum:

Where I wrote I ended up going with the former it should be I ended up
going with the latter.

/J


On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:47 AM, João Henriques 
joao.henriques.32...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Archana,

 I'm also toying with a TFE-water system, therefore I am also a newbie.
 This is what I am doing, I hope it helps:

 1) Since I'm using G54A7 I created a TFE.itp using GROMOS parameters (I
 don't use PRODGR, see why in DOI: 10.1021/ci100335w).
 2) Do the math and check how many molecules of TFE you're going to need
 for a given v/v TFE-water ratio and a given simulation box volume.
 3) Build box with the correct size.
 4) Randomly insert correct number of TFE molecules.
 5) Solvate.
 6) Insert protein.

 Hopefully, the amount of TFE and water molecules that will be deleted in
 inserting the protein in the final step will be proportional, given that
 the TFE molecules are well distributed.

 I've tried many different ways of doing this and it's always impossible to
 maintain a perfect TFE-water ratio, no matter the order and manner of
 insertion of each system component. I've also never been able to insert the
 correct number of waters after the TFE. My calculations predict a higher
 number, but the solvation algorithm can't find enough space for them.

 In sum, either you place each molecule by hand and you spend a life time
 building the system, or you just make a few compromises and deal with it. I
 ended up going with the former as I have a limited amount of time on my
 hands and I am aware of the approximations I am doing.

 Best regards,

 João Henriques
 
 PhD student
 Division of Theoretical Chemistry
 Lund University
 Lund, Sweden
 
 joao.henriq...@teokem.lu.se
 http://www.teokem.lu.se/~joaoh/


 On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Justin Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu wrote:



 On 10/24/13 1:13 PM, Archana Sonawani-Jagtap wrote:

 Dear Justin,

 I have not constructed the system but I have downloaded it from ATB
 website. To maintain the number of TFE and water molecules(1:1 v/v) in
 the
 system (I don't want to add extra water molecules) I tried many options
 in
 genbox but still it adds 678 water molecules. Can you provide me some
 hint?


 Not without seeing your actual command(s).


  Is their need to remove periodicity of this pre-equilibrated system as in
 case of lipids?


 No idea.  Are the molecules broken in the initial configuration?

 -Justin

 --
 ==


 Justin A. Lemkul, Ph.D.
 Postdoctoral Fellow

 Department of Pharmaceutical Sciences
 School of Pharmacy
 Health Sciences Facility II, Room 601
 University of Maryland, Baltimore
 20 Penn St.
 Baltimore, MD 21201

 jalem...@outerbanks.umaryland.edu | (410) 706-7441

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Re: [gmx-users] TFE-water simulation

2013-11-04 Thread Archana Sonawani-Jagtap
Thanks Joao Henriques for helping me with the steps.
On Nov 4, 2013 3:18 PM, João Henriques joao.henriques.32...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hello Archana,

 I'm also toying with a TFE-water system, therefore I am also a newbie. This
 is what I am doing, I hope it helps:

 1) Since I'm using G54A7 I created a TFE.itp using GROMOS parameters (I
 don't use PRODGR, see why in DOI: 10.1021/ci100335w).
 2) Do the math and check how many molecules of TFE you're going to need for
 a given v/v TFE-water ratio and a given simulation box volume.
 3) Build box with the correct size.
 4) Randomly insert correct number of TFE molecules.
 5) Solvate.
 6) Insert protein.

 Hopefully, the amount of TFE and water molecules that will be deleted in
 inserting the protein in the final step will be proportional, given that
 the TFE molecules are well distributed.

 I've tried many different ways of doing this and it's always impossible to
 maintain a perfect TFE-water ratio, no matter the order and manner of
 insertion of each system component. I've also never been able to insert the
 correct number of waters after the TFE. My calculations predict a higher
 number, but the solvation algorithm can't find enough space for them.

 In sum, either you place each molecule by hand and you spend a life time
 building the system, or you just make a few compromises and deal with it. I
 ended up going with the former as I have a limited amount of time on my
 hands and I am aware of the approximations I am doing.

 Best regards,

 João Henriques
 
 PhD student
 Division of Theoretical Chemistry
 Lund University
 Lund, Sweden
 
 joao.henriq...@teokem.lu.se
 http://www.teokem.lu.se/~joaoh/


 On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Justin Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu wrote:

 
 
  On 10/24/13 1:13 PM, Archana Sonawani-Jagtap wrote:
 
  Dear Justin,
 
  I have not constructed the system but I have downloaded it from ATB
  website. To maintain the number of TFE and water molecules(1:1 v/v) in
 the
  system (I don't want to add extra water molecules) I tried many options
 in
  genbox but still it adds 678 water molecules. Can you provide me some
  hint?
 
 
  Not without seeing your actual command(s).
 
 
   Is their need to remove periodicity of this pre-equilibrated system as
 in
  case of lipids?
 
 
  No idea.  Are the molecules broken in the initial configuration?
 
  -Justin
 
  --
  ==
 
 
  Justin A. Lemkul, Ph.D.
  Postdoctoral Fellow
 
  Department of Pharmaceutical Sciences
  School of Pharmacy
  Health Sciences Facility II, Room 601
  University of Maryland, Baltimore
  20 Penn St.
  Baltimore, MD 21201
 
  jalem...@outerbanks.umaryland.edu | (410) 706-7441
 
  ==
 
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[gmx-users] TFE-water simulation

2013-10-23 Thread Archana Sonawani-Jagtap
Hi all,

I have never performed TFE-water simulation therfore I want to know after
inserting the peptide in the pre-equilibrated TFE-water mixture, do we need
to adjust the number of TFE or water molecules ?

or should I directly add ions to this system and run the production run.

Any suggestion is welcome.

Thank you.
-- 
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Senior Research Fellow,
Biomedical Informatics Centre,
NIRRH (ICMR), Parel
Mumbai, India.
9960791339
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Re: [gmx-users] TFE-water simulation

2013-10-23 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 10/23/13 7:20 AM, Archana Sonawani-Jagtap wrote:

Hi all,

I have never performed TFE-water simulation therfore I want to know after
inserting the peptide in the pre-equilibrated TFE-water mixture, do we need
to adjust the number of TFE or water molecules ?



That depends on how you constructed the system.  genbox will not automatically 
update the number of TFE, but it can update the number of water molecules if you 
chose the proper command-line option.  Regardless, the [molecules] section of 
the .top must accurately reflect the contents of the configuration in terms of 
order and number of molecules.  Simple grep statements will let you count how 
many of each are present.


-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] TFE-water simulation

2013-07-17 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 7/17/13 1:03 AM, Archana Sonawani-Jagtap wrote:

HI,

I want to simulate helical peptide in TFE-water (1:1 vol) solvent.

1. From previous searches, I got to know that tfe.itp is present in
gmx.ff folder. Can I use this itp file by including it in my top file
generated during pdb2gmx.



Since that file requires the use of the deprecated (i.e. don't use it) gmx.ff 
force field, I wouldn't.



2. I also got TFE-water (1:1 vol) pdb and gro pre-equilibrated system
from ATB site. I dont know if I can use either this pdb or gro file
during genbox step for -cs flag



Sure, if it suits your purpose.  See also 
http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/How-tos/Mixed_Solvents.


-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] TFE-water simulation

2013-07-17 Thread Archana Sonawani-Jagtap
Hi Justin,

Thanks...it was really helpful. I saw the
http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/How-tos/Mixed_Solvents site.

Now I don't know how to calculate the number of cosolvents (in my case
TFE for TFE-water in 1:1 vol). Is there any formula to carry out this
calculation. I can follow other mentioned steps.

Thanks in advance.

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Justin Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu wrote:


 On 7/17/13 1:03 AM, Archana Sonawani-Jagtap wrote:

 HI,

 I want to simulate helical peptide in TFE-water (1:1 vol) solvent.

 1. From previous searches, I got to know that tfe.itp is present in
 gmx.ff folder. Can I use this itp file by including it in my top file
 generated during pdb2gmx.


 Since that file requires the use of the deprecated (i.e. don't use it)
 gmx.ff force field, I wouldn't.


 2. I also got TFE-water (1:1 vol) pdb and gro pre-equilibrated system
 from ATB site. I dont know if I can use either this pdb or gro file
 during genbox step for -cs flag


 Sure, if it suits your purpose.  See also
 http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/How-tos/Mixed_Solvents.

 -Justin

 --
 ==

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 Postdoctoral Fellow

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 School of Pharmacy
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 University of Maryland, Baltimore
 20 Penn St.
 Baltimore, MD 21201

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Re: [gmx-users] TFE-water simulation

2013-07-17 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 7/17/13 6:26 AM, Archana Sonawani-Jagtap wrote:

Hi Justin,

Thanks...it was really helpful. I saw the
http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/How-tos/Mixed_Solvents site.

Now I don't know how to calculate the number of cosolvents (in my case
TFE for TFE-water in 1:1 vol). Is there any formula to carry out this
calculation. I can follow other mentioned steps.



Sure, based on density and the volume of your unit cell, calculating the number 
of molecules that occupy that space is quite simple.


-Justin


Thanks in advance.

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Justin Lemkul jalem...@vt.edu wrote:



On 7/17/13 1:03 AM, Archana Sonawani-Jagtap wrote:


HI,

I want to simulate helical peptide in TFE-water (1:1 vol) solvent.

1. From previous searches, I got to know that tfe.itp is present in
gmx.ff folder. Can I use this itp file by including it in my top file
generated during pdb2gmx.



Since that file requires the use of the deprecated (i.e. don't use it)
gmx.ff force field, I wouldn't.



2. I also got TFE-water (1:1 vol) pdb and gro pre-equilibrated system
from ATB site. I dont know if I can use either this pdb or gro file
during genbox step for -cs flag



Sure, if it suits your purpose.  See also
http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/How-tos/Mixed_Solvents.

-Justin

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[gmx-users] TFE-water simulation

2013-07-16 Thread Archana Sonawani-Jagtap
HI,

I want to simulate helical peptide in TFE-water (1:1 vol) solvent.

1. From previous searches, I got to know that tfe.itp is present in
gmx.ff folder. Can I use this itp file by including it in my top file
generated during pdb2gmx.

2. I also got TFE-water (1:1 vol) pdb and gro pre-equilibrated system
from ATB site. I dont know if I can use either this pdb or gro file
during genbox step for -cs flag

Can anyone help me out in this regard.

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
Archana Sonawani-Jagtap
Senior Research Fellow,
Biomedical Informatics Centre,
NIRRH (ICMR), Parel
Mumbai, India.
9960791339
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